A Practical Guide To Gay SOP(Church)Venues, From First Steps To Consent

Ever walked past a sauna door and wondered what really happens inside? We take you beyond the towel into the culture, safety, and quiet language of sex‑on‑premises venues. From first-time nerves to reading the room, we unpack the etiquette that helps you find a good time without losing your boundaries.

We begin with the why: SOP venues exist because they’re safer, structured alternatives to risky public cruising, and they offer more than sex. Showers, steam, and social corners create a spectrum of experiences, from voyeuristic to chatty. We map the spaces that shape behaviour — dark rooms, glory holes, playrooms, slings — and share how crowds change with theme nights and timing. Expect frank detail on what to bring, where to start, and how to navigate a new venue without feeling lost.

Then we get into the signals. Most cruising is silent, so we translate the choreography: eye contact, doorway invites, mirroring, and gentle touch before anything explicit. Consent is ongoing, rejection isn’t personal, and persistence is a red flag. We share the small courtesies that matter — showering, mouthwash, towel care — and how to pause or pivot mid‑play. For couples, we offer a simple framework for setting rules before you step inside, so jealousy doesn’t set the pace.

Health sits at the core of smart play. We talk douching without shame, the very real gut risks of rimming, and how to balance heat with hygiene. You’ll get a clear, stigma‑free refresher on condoms, testing cadence, PrEP for prevention, and PEP within 72 hours after potential exposure. We round out with emotional reality: sometimes you surprise yourself, sometimes the comedown stings. Checking in with your body and your head is part of the practice.

If you’re curious about gay cruising, want a respectful primer on consent, or just love a well-run dark room, this one’s for you. Listen, share with a mate who’s been asking questions, and hit follow so you don’t miss future deep dives. Got your own tips or stories from “church”? Send them our way — we’re all ears.

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SPEAKER_01: 0:08

Welcome to Fully Grown Homos, a podcast about our adventures as fully grown hymes navigating today's world full of inquisitive friends' questions about gay life and the unexplored activities of a life lived as fully grown homos.

SPEAKER_03: 0:21

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SPEAKER_01: 0:33

Or message any of our socials, Fully Grown Homos Podcast. Hey Dave. Hey Matt. What's happening?

SPEAKER_03: 1:01

Not a lot this week.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03

No, no, it's been a fairly dull week because we've both been not well. Yes. You've been pregnant. I have been pregnant as usual. Okay. Maybe that's not because of you impregnated me. I didn't do it. No, it's because we went to church. We did go to church. We went to church. Not this Sunday, just gone to the one before. Yeah. So it feels like a long time ago now.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23

Again, it was a different day.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25

Miami was asking me, How did you go to church? Were you successful? And I said, every day is successful at church. It is, but it's not a numbers game. Well, it is. Um, but we had a good time. We did. It wasn't the best one we've ever had.

SPEAKER_03: 1:39

It was a bit of a mixture of game, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_01: 1:41

It was. It was, it was, it was. We were almost going to go to the city, and then we decided, you said no, let's just go local.

SPEAKER_03: 1:47

Well, sometimes going to the city for me is a pain because it's just like the travelling in there, getting there, and then if it's not.

SPEAKER_01: 1:52

He's got to sit as a passenger listeners. Um what? He's just got to sit in the car as a passenger.

SPEAKER_03: 1:58

Yeah, that's the scary part.

SPEAKER_01: 2:02

So for you, you're driving, and I'll put that with it. Alright, okay, I get it. Okay, alright. No worries. I'll drive next time, then you can sit down. Not gonna happen ever. There you go, then. Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, no way in the world. Not in the city with you driving. Oh wow. No chance.

SPEAKER_03: 2:15

What would you want to drive to the city? I don't like driving the city, but it doesn't phase me as such. As long as I know where I'm going, it's fine.

SPEAKER_01: 2:22

So we did church. Haven't done a lot else, like been working.

SPEAKER_03: 2:26

Well, I have been crooked. I have been really ill to the point where I've had to get a bit of an antibiotics. So again, I mean, I've got this head cold that's been going around, and then I've got a chest infection. So but I'm like I'm feeling fine now. I mean, you know, taking all the medication is definitely working. I'm coughing up a lot of phlegm in the morning, so that's good, clearing my throat. We're getting all the stuff out. It is, and uh yeah, and I'm feeling like a bit more conscious in my head because I was like struggling with my head with the with the you know the throbbing of the headache and my eyes were my eyes were sore and everything else. But look, I mean I'm I'm focused now, so that's good. Well, sort of yeah, we'll find out when I fall asleep in the podcast.

SPEAKER_01: 3:04

Um yeah, and I and I was just um I've just had a shitty week, I think, at work, and it was just quite stressful. You went for printing. And um, yeah, I went and I I thought I might have been having like a little mini heart attack or something like that originally. Um, but it turns out mostly stress. Um and funny little thing. But I took myself to the doctors, which is really, really unusual for me. It is really unusual, so I must have been worried about myself, and got my results from all my bloods today, and everything came back perfect. Like literally, because she tested for everything, like sugars, kidney function, you don't think it was cholesterol because you gave blood the other week, didn't you? No, that was two weeks ago now. Yeah, but what I'm saying is No, no, nothing's that delayed, Dave.

SPEAKER_03: 3:49

Um you might have not had enough blood in your body.

SPEAKER_01: 3:52

I didn't give blood, I gave plasma. So they put the blood back in. Yeah, but you're still extracting your plasma from your blood. Not from two weeks. Not from two weeks ago. Um, but yeah, but no, it's just stress. Um, so and then had my little brain scan uh this morning. Um Did you see it? No, they didn't show you, they don't show you it immediately. They've got to um they send it off to your doctors and all that kind of stuff. And I hope the doctor I hope I get to see it because I really want to see pictures of my brain. I want to see if it's actually even there.

SPEAKER_03: 4:22

Last year, sorry.

SPEAKER_01: 4:23

Yeah, but I want to see if it's actually there to start with. That'll be fun. That'll be fun. Um, but yeah, so we've been poor old girls, poor old ladies, been a bit sick and been a bit crooked, haven't we? But yeah. And apart from that, I think I've had because it's been raining here, right? Um, not that I like complaining about the rain, because I said that on my podcast last week. Thanks, Brittany, for reminding me of that. Yes. Um, but my backyard's actually been flooded. But I thought it was flooded because of the rain until my neighbours knocked on the door yesterday and said to me, uh, your sewage pipe appears to have burst because we've got shit all through our backyard. Ooh. And I went, Oh, goody, what do I do with that on a Sunday?

SPEAKER_03: 4:59

Um And that really explained to me a lot when I came to your house on Friday. Yeah, and you walk in and said the house smells like shit. Well, I just thought maybe the dogs had done something and I couldn't find anything, which is you know, which is you even did some washing for me and everything like that as well. And then I was like, I cleaned the house and it's like opened the doors and it went, the smell went.

SPEAKER_01: 5:18

Yeah, but that's why, because it was literally under the house, the sewer pipe broken.

SPEAKER_03: 5:22

But I did say to you sometimes, like, you know, in my house, um, you know, if it's a sunny, sunny day, sometimes the the drains will start smelling.

SPEAKER_01: 5:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 5:30

Um, because obviously the ventilation is going through the whole pipework.

SPEAKER_01: 5:34

Yeah, so we've got um I've got the council or Sydney Water coming to do a big deep clean under the house tomorrow and all that kind of stuff as well. So yeah, so um, so hopefully then because Chanel, who doesn't like the rain at all, right, won't go out there over training. She was delighting in going out and playing in the mud.

SPEAKER_03: 5:52

Yes, she was.

SPEAKER_01: 5:52

Well, I thought it was mud. Turns out it wasn't mud. So since since I worked out what it was, well, even before that, because I don't want to wash her every single time she comes in. Um, like I've been basically walking out with her and making sure she doesn't go to that area. But then when I found out it was shit, I've then basically completely put her into the bathtub and completely gave her a nice little bath and freshened up her beard and done all that kind of stuff because I don't want fucking filthy shit face beards. Did you jump in with her? No, no, but yeah, so but I and I gave her again, I wished washed her beard out again today just because I could still feel it was a bit sticky. So got the shampoo and that's my balls. Um it's my chest, that's my chest hair actually chest hair, actually. Um well that's what I did to the guy last week, didn't I? Come in his beard. You did, yeah. Yes, he was a very nice guy. He was a nice guy, lovely, lovely young lad. Yes. Um I say young, he was 29.

SPEAKER_03: 6:47

Yeah, but still young for what we normally go for.

SPEAKER_01: 6:49

Not a bad get for um a 54-year-old than a 60-year-old. Oh you fucker.

SPEAKER_03: 6:56

But um, so Dave, what are we gonna chat about today? Look, I mean, I was cleaning my house today, going through stuff because I've got to get it all sorted and stuff like that. Um, and I found these two brooches that we picked up a few years ago from one of the visits to church. Yay, and we said that that time, if ever we do the podcast or when we do a podcast, then we will talk about it. We should talk about it, like and go into detail of these books. Yeah, because it's very informative and it's written by Acorn.

SPEAKER_01: 7:24

Acorn.

SPEAKER_03: 7:24

Um Acorn, sorry. Acorn. Acorn, yeah, sorry.

SPEAKER_01: 7:27

Right, and it's a cruising guide to sex on premises venues.

SPEAKER_03: 7:30

Yeah, so obviously, with us being at church and you know, people asking us what happens at church.

SPEAKER_01: 7:35

What happens at church? How does it church?

SPEAKER_03: 7:36

We do we do kind of explain to them what happens, but this gives you a bit more of an idea because it is cruising. Yeah, and I remember the very first time I went to church, I didn't have a fucking clue what I was doing.

SPEAKER_01: 7:48

Yeah, and and if you look at the front cover, yep, if you have a quick look, quick look. Yes, I'm looking. It looks a bit like me. It doesn't, he looks like um. He looks like me. It's fucking hot. He's hot. Yes, yes, he's he's he's bald with a goatee beard type thing. He is he's probably a little bit younger than me, but he is quite fit. And I reckon with the right red lighting and all that kind of stuff, I could pull that look off. You could do an AI shot of yourself. AI shot of that.

SPEAKER_03: 8:15

He's gonna do that later on, I guarantee you.

SPEAKER_01: 8:16

Yeah, 100%. I'm gonna put myself in some red lighting and make myself sexier. And blue. Red and blue, yeah. It's hues on the back of my lighting, definitely. Definitely. Well, I might even do the next photo as well. Um, so yeah, no, I don't do asshole shots. I'm not a fan of those at all. At all. So, what's in this booklet, Dave?

SPEAKER_03: 8:34

So basically, it's all about verbatim, but it just basically covers the content on what's an introduction. What happens on cruising areas, what is a what is a sex on premises, the different types of sex on premises, what you need to look out for, what the risks about the you know, going there. Lots of info.

SPEAKER_01: 8:53

So we'll see it is very we will flip page by page and tell you the things that we find are really interesting on there. So, like in the intro, for example, the uh the opening um segment. What no, the opening uh paragraph. Paragraph, that's a word I was looking for. Uh oh, look at me being all smart and shit like that. It says for many gay, buying curious men, including trans men, a sex on premises venue provides an environment where we can be sexual, adventurous, voyeuristic, uninhibited, and feel totally relaxed while we hook up with other guys.

SPEAKER_03: 9:25

And that's pretty much how it happens. Which is it.

SPEAKER_01: 9:27

That's a nutshell. It is that is it in a nutshell, so I think stuff like that. So um and you you do kind of relax when you're there, don't you? You do. Well, the thing is that like now coming from somebody that has cruised public toilets and venues that aren't built by people specifically, right? It's an unsafe feeling that you get, right? Because okay, unsafe for a number of reasons, and that's that there has been known in the past for people to lure you there to bow to bash people, yeah. But there's also been um times where um well where the police have actually entrapped people, yeah. Like, and I can say firsthand that happened to me. That was probably back in the day, wasn't it? Well, no, it's still happening because remember I told you that at Central Station that time, that guy was at the urinal and he was basically standing there jerking off, right? Um, and then he was he turned around to unless there was some guy that was trying to cruise with him, right, as well, or what who he thought was trying to cruise with him, but then next minute another guy comes up, taps him on the shoulder, and said, put that away, showed him his badge and said, Come with us, right? And they walked him out. So this the police are still, right? Um, and I wouldn't say it's entrapment because he was borderline um in decent exposure because he was sitting there and you could tell he was hard and he was basically whoever had walked into their toilet would have been able to see his cock straight away. Yeah, and if that would be a young person as well, if it had been a child or something like that, that's not the place for it. Whereas whereas a a a SOP, a sexual premises venue is a hundred percent the place for that, right? Yeah, you pay your cover charge, you get to go in, you're there with people that are there for the same purpose.

SPEAKER_03: 11:14

And the chances are you've got a far better chance of hooking up with somebody there anyway.

SPEAKER_01: 11:18

Yeah, well, statistically, yes.

SPEAKER_03: 11:20

Statistically, yes, right?

SPEAKER_01: 11:22

Unless it's empty, it depends on yourself and from I guess from what we've experienced, because we've been to a few of these venues, just a couple. Um, like if you sit there and you walk in, you go, I'm only gonna have a 28-year-old with a fit body, with a seven and a half inch cock, and he has to have washboard abs and this and this and this and this and this, you're setting up setting yourself up for failure. Yep. Right. If you walk in there and you think, I'm here to have a good time, right? I'm here to suck a few dicks, right? Get a couple of dicks up my ass, put my dick in a couple of asses, whatever, and just to enjoy the men for the masculine beings that they are, right? And you find someone attractive, then go for it. Like, don't worry about what your normal criteria are. You're not looking for a boyfriend if you go to this place. Well, maybe you are, um, but chances are you're just looking to get your dick sucked or to get your load out, basically. So, yeah. So, Dave, what is a sex on press? What is exactly is a venue?

SPEAKER_03: 12:29

Well, the venue itself, as you've described earlier, Matt, is a premises or an SOPS, which provides places where gay, buy, and curious guys, including trans men, can visit to have sex with other men, which you discussed earlier. Yeah, um, they are obviously legally and legitimately businesses where guys can pay a fee to enter and exchange sexuality or sexually sorry, engage sexually, sorry, with other men and use the facilities such as the private rooms, bathrooms, booths, glory holes, showers, saunas, and steam rooms and more. And again, I mean that's the good thing about it is like you know, you do get the benefits of using like steam rooms and showers and and you know sometimes sitting in this bar can be quite enjoyable. Yeah, and associate their possum, obviously.

SPEAKER_01: 13:15

Yeah, which which they pointed out to me and made me and and look, I guess visiting um or frequenting a sex on premise venue is normal and healthy part of the gay culture, right?

SPEAKER_03: 13:26

It is, and if you had never been, then you you are missing out definitely.

SPEAKER_01: 13:30

Yeah, yeah, well, correct. And look, well, it might not be for you, but you'll be very surprised at what goes on in there.

SPEAKER_03: 13:39

Look, I watched I watched a programme that there's a guy on on um YouTube, I think it is, and he ventures around like Europe and he does all the different types of gay bathhouses over there, and some of them, oh my god, they are just absolutely amazing. I mean, they've got like like some of them have got like hotel rooms that you can purchase into.

SPEAKER_01: 14:00

Well, yeah, the thing is that yeah, you can you can stay in some of them.

SPEAKER_03: 14:03

Yeah, you buy like a room and then you've got free access to the actual, you know, the actual venue.

SPEAKER_01: 14:08

So there these these are venues all around the world, yeah. So they've got them from ancient Rome times, basically, and stuff like that as well. I know that in Queer as Folk, I seen, I think it was called Babylon, um, they used to have there as well, um, where the hot guys all used to go and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_03: 14:26

Well, every single one that we go to, they're they're similar but they're different, aren't they?

SPEAKER_01: 14:30

Yeah, very similar, but very different. Like they all have a steam room, they all have a sauna, they all have a spa often.

SPEAKER_03: 14:36

They're all multi-level.

SPEAKER_01: 14:37

Yep.

SPEAKER_03: 14:38

And I don't know whether that is because in Sydney, Stroke, the surrounding suburbs, you haven't got the facilities to have just like a single ground floor one.

SPEAKER_01: 14:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 14:47

I mean, I I mean Arrows is pretty good in terms of like if it was a long, could you imagine it being a long warehouse that was a disused warehouse? Well, yeah, yeah. And it was on two floors, then that would be awesome because you could have a massive bottom floor, and then the top floor can be like all the things like the glory holes, the swings, the slings, yeah, and stuff like that, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 15:07

It could look even if it was a big single-story factory um that you turned into an SAP, it could work really, really well because then it would be um um dis I don't want to say the word disability. I want to say the disadvantage? No, people with the wheelchairs and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03: 15:26

Um disability.

SPEAKER_01: 15:27

Disability, disability-friendly. Disability. So because they got needs too, um, and stuff like that. So the thing is that it could actually be more friendly for that.

SPEAKER_03: 15:36

There are, you know, the criteria for any sort of sex on premises should have a sauna, a steam room, locker rooms, showers, toilets, yeah, and obviously then the essential things are then you know built into the things like glory holes, walk arounds, rooms, yeah. Um, and then kinky area areas as well, like that.

SPEAKER_01: 15:56

You know, so so one of the notes in this book as well, it does say as a first-timer, you may notice that there isn't a lot of verbal communication that goes on in the venues, right? Um like most guys mostly cruise one another in silence until they pick up and perhaps exchange a few words um when negotiating what what room, where to, who's top, who's the bottom, what you're into, all that kind of stuff. But there isn't a lot of words unless your name is Dave.

SPEAKER_03: 16:23

Yes, and you.

SPEAKER_01: 16:26

Well, you you talk a lot.

SPEAKER_03: 16:27

I get this conversation going.

SPEAKER_01: 16:29

Yeah, you talk heaps. To the point where we got shushed once as well. Um, not just us. No, we were talking with a group of people. Um, but the thing is that yeah, so look, um yeah, so it's it's like they're good, they're good. So and venues and why we love them. That's our next heading that we're gonna go into today. So, sex venues provide a convenient place where you can fuck, watch, chill out, socialise. In fact, the reasons they attract we attract that attract us to them can vary. So keep an open mind in in to the diverse reason why guys in the venues and align your expectations accordingly. So, this is what I was saying before. So the thing is that don't just expect you're gonna go in there's everyone's gonna be fucking like crazy. Yeah, because that's not necessarily what happens.

SPEAKER_03: 17:18

Now, I know you've got to spend time walking around and getting a vibe.

SPEAKER_01: 17:22

Like on on the old 357, for example, right? Greatest that ever was the best ever. Oh no, the best ever was Ken's, but the old 357 from a vibe point of view, right? Up at the very top level, the piano bar with dads and stuff like that, people went there to be social, to sing along, to watch an entertainer entertain, to really get in amongst the community and be part of the actual community. Now, we haven't been for a long time to the other one, right? Um, just because we had a couple of it wasn't so great a couple of times, right? So we really do need to give it another go now. Um, but um, but it was community, right? So the thing is that we'd sit there and we'd chat, we'd talk to Daz, we'd talk to everyone else. Now, when we go to church, we always always strike up conversations with people, yeah. Um, whether it be um guys that we know already or guys that we get to know, right? And stuff like that. But we always have some kind of conversation, so don't go in there thinking, Oh, I've got to go in there and I gotta fuck. Like you can go in there and not fuck, right? Um, somewhere like arrows, you can actually go in there and even leave your clothes on.

unknown: 18:32

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 18:32

Yeah, well, you can't.

SPEAKER_01: 18:33

You've got to leave your mobile phone downstairs and stuff like that. But you can go in there, you can't go to the top level on Sunday with your clothes on, but any other day, you can go in there and keep your clothes on the whole day.

SPEAKER_04: 18:43

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 18:45

So if you're not comfortable going, pay your cover charts, it's all of 25-30 bucks, whatever it is, right? And go in and just scope it out. Yeah, see what they're now. If you're worried about anonymity and people seeing you there, right, remember a lot of the people that are going there are going there for exactly the same reason the anonymity. And if they're in a sex club and they see you in a sex club, they've got just as much to lose potentially. Yeah, so don't panic about it.

SPEAKER_03: 19:17

Look, the the the main reason why people actually go to these venues are basically for like no strings attacks and casual sex anyway. Yep, you know, and that happens quite often throughout the day. I mean, I think busy times are like lunch times in the city. Yeah, businessmen go there, trains go after work. Um there's a lot of people that you would not suspect going there that do go there, and these people are either incognito or they're just like either curious or they're you know, want to go. I mean, it could just be the fact that it is one blowjob and that's it, you know. I mean, you don't have to be gay to go there. Like you said, by curious. There's a lot of by guys that do go there.

SPEAKER_01: 19:54

Well, there's straight guys that go there, we know that for a fact.

SPEAKER_03: 19:56

But exactly, that's right, you know. But again, it's just a way that they can get their rocks off, and it doesn't mean anything by going there. It just means that you're you're participating in a consensual act of sex with other people, and they're not running the risk of um getting caught.

SPEAKER_01: 20:12

Getting caught by the police, yeah, bringing shame on their family or something like that.

SPEAKER_03: 20:15

But it's also probably opened their mind to allow them to see and do things that they probably wouldn't do if they were in a park, say they wouldn't be able to get in a sling and just sit there and be fucked. Yeah, you know what I mean? Or you know, not many parks have slings. Well, that's what I'm saying. Swings, yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The kids have got to play on this. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 20:34

Right. Um, but yeah, so um look, I look the thing is that I guess some of the other things to have sex somewhere that has been.

SPEAKER_03: 20:40

But a lot of them have um like um eating areas as well. So you can have a coffee, you can have a beer, you can have either licensed premises, you can have a social activity as well, you know. So it'd be just like having an afternoon off, you know, catching it with your mates after work and then just tripping down and then are licensed, so you can't have a beer.

SPEAKER_01: 20:57

You can say to your wife, yep, go into the pub, right? So you go home smelling like you've had a beer.

SPEAKER_03: 21:02

And then say I'm going to the gym afterwards.

SPEAKER_01: 21:04

No, but it doesn't matter. You go home smelling like you've had a beer and you've had your dick sucked in the meantime, right? As well. You go down to the glory holes, get your dick sucked, suck a dick or two, right? Have a drink of beer and bango bungo.

SPEAKER_03: 21:15

But obviously, different times of day will necessitate how busy these premises are. Now we know weekends are always busy.

SPEAKER_01: 21:21

Yep.

SPEAKER_03: 21:22

You know, Friday night, Saturday, definitely. And then Sunday lunchtime is a busy time as well.

SPEAKER_01: 21:26

Yep. Yep. Um, but look, I mean again, depending on what venue it is. Now, most of them also have different theme nights as well. They do. Right. So I think um like on a Thursday night. Tight Us Tuesday on a Tuesday, though.

SPEAKER_03: 21:40

I think your friend Wednesday and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01: 21:42

Yeah, buddy nights Wednesday and Monday's nude night. Because I think they're the they're the less busy days, aren't they?

SPEAKER_03: 21:48

So they encourage people to do that.

SPEAKER_01: 21:49

Well, they bring there there's a different thing for a different person. So the thing is by having these theme nights as such, right? If nudity is your thing, just say you've got a fucking strap and big cock and you want to walk around shot. It off, right? Nudity is your n is your night. Like your nude nights is your night, right? So you can walk around, hang your towel up, and then just wander around.

SPEAKER_03: 22:09

Because you might get off just by look p having people looking at your cock, going, Yeah, look at that fucking monster. Or you can be semi-narcistic and show your body off because you're vain or whatever.

SPEAKER_01: 22:19

Yeah, because you've got a great body or something like that as well.

SPEAKER_03: 22:20

And if you get off on that, that's fine because other people are going to get off by walking that game.

SPEAKER_01: 22:24

But you've also you will work out a pattern of when it is really busy and what night works for you. Now, I know, and Dave has said to me quite frequently on a Thursday night, um, why don't you go to go to church? Because I work in the city. Right. And I went on a Thursday night, we know it's mixed gender, all gendered night, and we know what happened last time. I went to an all-gender night one. There was a dead possum in the spa. Um, so that ain't ever happening again. Ever happening again. So Thursdays are roughly. Thursdays are a hard no for me. So the venue types that we've got, so you've got dry cruising, right?

SPEAKER_03: 23:03

So what's dry cruising?

SPEAKER_01: 23:05

Dry cruising is like sex clubs, back rooms, generally for dry cruising. So they're is that like the they're the ones without yeah, they're the ones without your sauna and your steering room and spa and showers and all that kind of stuff. So they're generally like on Oxford Street, you've got where you can go downstairs and they've got like little curtains or the little wall, like little booths, and you'll have the hole in the wall in between the booths, and then you've got the video that you can watch at the front there and stuff like that. I honestly have never been into one of those ones. No, I've only been into one in Newtown, um, and it was not long after I'd separated. Um, and I went in there, I was I went and got a massage, and then I thought, oh, everyone, I'd I'd gotten onto Squirt, and somebody had said, Oh, like, yeah, this place is pumping. And it was like, I don't know, it was right near the massage place that I go to. So I thought, I'll go and check it out. It's like$15 or something to get in. So I went in there, and they got like it's just like a set of stairs and some glory holes, and there is like a couple of cruising areas, but I didn't stay long. Um, but I basically just went in there, suck my dick through the glory hole. Fucking some guy sucked me till I fucking blew down his throat and then left. Um, so so there's no like I literally was, but I felt because I've been to so many saunas where you get completely naked and stuff like that, it felt kinda odd to be walking around these places with your phone and your wallet and everything in your pocket. Because I have a fear, and I don't know, maybe it's I don't know why. I have this fear that if I'm in the dark somewhere and some guy's down on their knees and they've got my fucking dick in their mouth, that they're potentially gone through my wallet and stealing something from my wallet. Oh, with the hands, or skimming, or skimming my credit cards or something like that as well. Because I'm in a very vulnerable position while they've got my dick in their mouth. Um, so I'm just thinking to myself, like, I don't I don't know, that's not a vibe for me. That wasn't like I did the job, did what I had to do. Okay, but but the dry ones are never been, never been, so I wouldn't know. Yeah, and and I think places that like there are some other places on Oxford Street that are dry ones as well.

SPEAKER_03: 25:16

You know the one in um St. Mary's, is it St. Mary's book?

SPEAKER_01: 25:19

Yeah, yeah, the yeah, the like those, that's correct. Yeah, the um Babylon, the one that's upstairs.

SPEAKER_03: 25:24

Is that what it's called?

SPEAKER_01: 25:25

Yeah, one of them's called Babylon, and then the other one's just um an adult bookshop that's got a big one.

SPEAKER_03: 25:30

This is basically a quick quick fix for a quick fix, yeah. Quick fix, basically. You get everybody in there, don't you?

SPEAKER_01: 25:36

All kinds, all kinds. So I know all men. Um I've never been to men. And um there was um a trans woman in the one at St. Mary's at the time I went. Oh, okay. Um, but she was rough as. Um, she wasn't a glamour trans. She was um a very much a man in a skirt, and um she was there and all the tradies were going to her because that way they were straight still. That was quite amusing. It was quite amusing. I'm sitting there going, Oh, you know that's just a man in a wig and a skirt, right? And because they're going down. Maybe they go home to the same thing and all that kind of stuff. Maybe they used to. Maybe they're why is it like that? Don't know, don't know. But who knows? But yeah, she was getting all the action, which was annoying. Um, jealous march. Yeah. Yeah, I know that's what happens all the time. Although some of the guys that she was blowing, I wouldn't touch them. I think to myself, give me some baby wipes so we can clean that cock first.

SPEAKER_03: 26:34

And the other type of cruising we've got uh gonna be after move forward um is the wet cruising, which again is basically the standard one we normally go to, which you've got a spa, a sauna, so pretty much like a gym, really. Yep, yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 26:47

I suppose gyms can be classified as saunas, can't they? Well, I've definitely hooked up a few gyms. Yeah, exactly. But again, that's not safe necessarily, and that's why these places exist.

SPEAKER_03: 26:57

The things you'll tend to find when you go into these venues condoms, condoms, condoms everywhere.

SPEAKER_01: 27:02

Well, well, no, they're giving you condoms and they're available to uh use.

SPEAKER_03: 27:07

But before they used to be on the wall, didn't they? Yeah, but I think a lot of them getting abused, and people were actually pinning them, weren't they?

SPEAKER_01: 27:14

Pinning them and all that kind of stuff as well.

SPEAKER_03: 27:16

So I think a lot of mistreating stuff. The same with the lube. I mean, that had that guy that poured chloric acid in there years ago. Yeah, a long time ago, though. So, you know what I mean? It's just like people got like a bit of a sad status of mind when they do those sort of things.

SPEAKER_01: 27:29

Yeah, correct, correct.

SPEAKER_03: 27:30

So I suppose they're just sort of like covering their ass.

SPEAKER_01: 27:32

The condoms are condoms are available at all of these venues um readily um if you choose to use them. I don't know. I would say the statistics are people don't tend to use them these days. I'd say 90% don't. Yeah, exactly. But they're there, you know. Yeah, they are there. They are there. Um then you've got cubicles. You've got small, big, single size, triple size, quadruple size, all different size cubicles that you can go into. Um, and they're kind of private. Some are open. Yeah, some are open, some are private, some are private with little glory holes in the side of the wall so you can peep in. Double rooms. Yeah, some these are all different sizes. But they're usually made up of a a mattress that like a big wooden block, basically, and a mattress that's sort of completely coated in PVC. Um quick fix, clean, click, wipe down, like hose up, hose off the cum. Um fake leather, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's just like it's basically PVC almost, I think. But it's um, but it's like it's like holy shit. Yeah, so some some are pretty big.

SPEAKER_03: 28:34

Your your your your favorite is the dark room.

SPEAKER_01: 28:37

The dark room. I do like a dark room.

SPEAKER_03: 28:39

I I struggle with the dark room. Yeah, see again, I fall over everybody because you know me, I can't see fucking minute I go in there. I'm like, Matt, where are you? It's funny.

SPEAKER_01: 28:47

Um I I literally cannot see fucking anything in there, yeah. So so you've got the dark rooms, which are fun, and what happens in there, who knows? Like, all things happen in there, and you can be fucked. Yeah, and like I was chatting with somebody the other day, and they said, But how do you know who you're in the dark room with? And I said, It doesn't matter, that's the point. It could be Henry Cavill that's absolutely railing you or getting fucking railed by you. It could be Mr. Bing, it could be Mr. B. It could be railing, it could be Mr. Burns, um, still be enjoying it. It could be Homer. Um, but Homo Homo. Um, it could be anyone in the dark room, which is great because sometimes you just there have to scratch and hitch. Right.

SPEAKER_03: 29:33

And sometimes you you tend to put off chasing people because you don't like the look of them or whatever, but then you grab down and you think, oh fuck, that fucking cock feels good. It's fucking fun. Yeah, it's a nice fat meaty cock. And then you walk out and then you see the person afterwards, and you're like, I would never have done that.

SPEAKER_01: 29:47

Well, you've you've done it a few times, haven't you? You at the Glory Hulls, you've actually gone up to a few people and you've like started sucking down. And I've gone for a wander around to see who's attached to the cock, yeah, 100%. And I've come back down, I've touched on the shoulder and I've abort, abort, abort. Yeah. Um, because it's definitely not somebody that you would normally have no put in your mouth willingly.

SPEAKER_03: 30:08

And then we normally hang around to wait to see who that person was, and then we sort of like just.

SPEAKER_01: 30:12

Oh, that was a good score, or that was that was not so good at all. But yeah, done that. But I'm sure people have done the same to us. Absolutely. 100%, 90%. So yeah. Um, they have a douche room. Yes, they always have a douching room, and it's needed as well. Yeah, so and it's utilized really, really well. So um, I know in all the venues, um I yeah, they have a key given to you, don't you? Yeah, you get a key. So you can't just go and use a douche room that's not open at all times or such like that. Um you've got to get a key because they need to get it cleaned frequently, obviously. They need to check it to make sure it is the cleanest bathroom in the in the whole thing. Um, but usually if you pay for a douche in kit when you're there, right? You can take your own douche and go in there, um, right? But I usually just buy the douche and kit when I'm there, which consists of a little piece of like six and a half mil um hose pipe type thing, which like it's a clear hose pipe type thing. And they've got like a little attachment, and you stick it onto the water, you run it through a bit to make sure there's nothing clogged up in the system, and then whack up your clacker and it cleans it out, you go and you make sure you do your douching process and clean.

SPEAKER_03: 31:29

You can always be prepared. Sometimes these sort of like venues are spontaneous where you go past and say, Okay, I'm just gonna go in there.

SPEAKER_01: 31:35

Well, sometimes, like I said, I'll get an itch after work and I'll go, I really need to get fucked tonight, right? Or to fuck or whatever. And even if I'm fucking, I like to be clean just in case somebody wants to stick a sneaky finger up there.

SPEAKER_03: 31:50

Well, I won't let anybody touch me otherwise.

SPEAKER_01: 31:51

No, but in in case somebody is like I'm really into it and somebody sticks a finger up there, I don't want it fucking coming out covered. So I will always make sure I do anyway, either way, whether I'm giving or receiving. And you never can tell which is gonna happen anyway. So, yeah. And what about the next one? The glory holes. I love glory holes. You dove you do love glory holes. This this this this picture is actually the old 357. It is, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. I miss that house so much. But they got a picture with the uh the the sauna, the sauna. And it was a very, very awesome looking sauna. It was an awesome looking sauna. So, but the glory holes, love the glory holes. So, for those of you who don't know what a glory hole is, I think somebody knows what a fucking glory hole is.

SPEAKER_03: 32:31

They just have at least three banks of glue holes, you know what I mean? Because like the one in on Sydney Steam, you've only got three. Yeah, you've only got three, and they're always fucking being used. Bang, full up, and full up, you know, whereas with arrows, you've got multiple ones there, haven't you?

SPEAKER_01: 32:47

Yeah, and they're always being used.

SPEAKER_03: 32:48

Absolutely, but sometimes it's the but you've got probably about four.

SPEAKER_01: 32:51

More popular than your local library on bloody HSC day, yeah, correct.

SPEAKER_03: 32:55

And even well, when we were in um the old 357, that had like two floors had glory holes on them, didn't they?

SPEAKER_01: 33:01

Yeah, I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 33:03

Both floors had glory holes on them. They did. One had the big chain mesh one when you're walking. Which you always forget about because you walk over that border. It was very clever to set up, it was very clever, yeah. So you can have a glory hole anywhere, really, can't you? Yeah, so yeah, you can have one in your garage. And even some of the um the booths, they put glory holes in them as well. Yes, I do. So if you're lucky and you get into one, you can be sort of like playing with somebody and looking at a looking through the hole in something else, or they can be sticking their cock into your hole.

SPEAKER_01: 33:28

Yeah, correct. And sticking their cock in your hole as well. Exactly, right. So they have playrooms. So they the playrooms are look they're varied, right? Now they used to be back in Ken's and stuff like that, they used to be a lot more imaginative, right? And basically you'd go in there and there'd be a barber chair, and then there'd be an old motorbike and stuff like that that would basically be in the room, and that'd be like they'd be fully waterproofed or whatever, um, and and you'd sit in there and do things like now in a bit of a kink thing, isn't it? Yeah, in in arrows, they do have the kink chair and stuff like that there. They've got that little area set up where the bars starts. Where you have the um the kink knights and that with Miss Haiti and that.

SPEAKER_03: 34:14

Yeah, well, it's normally set off for the um for the BDS.

SPEAKER_01: 34:17

But she leaves she leaves her gear out there for everyone to play for.

SPEAKER_03: 34:20

But there was that when we went there last Sunday, they've got that room that's set up and it looked like almost like you're looking into someone's house, isn't it? So they've got the window and there's like a bed and there's a seat next to it, remember? We walked in.

SPEAKER_01: 34:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but that's got the little bars in it and that as well.

SPEAKER_03: 34:36

What I'm saying is, it was really weird because you walked in the room and you're like, huh?

SPEAKER_01: 34:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 34:40

And there was two people in that room, you're like, what's fucking going on there?

SPEAKER_01: 34:43

So it was um very weird, yeah, but good. But they have little playrooms and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03: 34:47

So and then there's a is a sling room, a playroom?

SPEAKER_01: 34:50

Yeah, of course it is, of course it is. Okay, yeah, lots of plays there. And then you've got obviously the steam room and the sauna, which we've spoken about that many times. Right. And um, and and action does happen in the steam room and the sauna, yeah, right. Especially in the steam room, um, because it is quite moist in there, and you will get popular in there, and it's sort of dimly lit, and and you end it spelling of eucalyptus.

SPEAKER_03: 35:18

Yeah, because that is so strong in there. Fantastic. Oh, not always, but you gotta be careful. I find in the steam rooms you've got to be careful because it can get super hot, and even with your towel you burn your ass, didn't you? I did I got third-degree burns, like I told you before. Yeah, you got it, and that was not pleasant at all. And that was just because the pipes were burning from below and you don't realise, and then suddenly it's too late, you put your ass is your ass cheeks are fucking on fire, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 35:41

So you've got to be very careful.

SPEAKER_03: 35:43

Yeah, um, yeah. But you get really hot in there, don't you? So you know, you're walking around and you can sort of have to keep on going out because it's too hot.

SPEAKER_01: 35:49

Yeah, and you've got video rooms or video booths. So I guess in some in some of the dry venues, the video booths are the coin operated ones, or I guess now they're cart operated and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_04: 36:00

Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 36:00

Uh, but in the bigger venues, you've got the um the video booths and that so uh succatorium, which is basically glory holes in a big round. And that's what um Arrows has is more succatorium rather than glory hole system, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03: 36:13

So you've got your spars, and that's always like pleasant. I mean, you're gonna sneeze. Yeah, go for it. Yay, right? Yeah, so the spars, I mean, basically it's just so blessed. Um you know, they're all varying the size. I think the biggest one we we tend to see is the one that is in Sydney's.

SPEAKER_01: 36:33

The old body line, no, 357. 357, the new one, the one that used to be body line, I think that's the biggest bar.

SPEAKER_03: 36:41

Well, yeah, that's a that's a fully that's like a tar one, but the one in Oxford Street on Sydney Street. That's a big I think I don't know.

SPEAKER_01: 36:50

Yeah, there might be, I don't know, they're rivals. Yeah, they are. They're different shapes, aren't they? Pretty big different types, but they're both.

SPEAKER_03: 36:56

I like the one in Oxford Street because sorry, on um Sydney Steam because you can walk around it. Whereas the one in 357 X is built in against a wall, isn't it? So you can't walk around it, you've only got one access to get it. One access to get in. And I found that very slippery, that area there as well, because sometimes you know the tiles can become very, very slippery and wet. So yeah, yeah. Um mentioned sling room. Um that's just a basic room with uh a chain hanging from the ceiling with a leather hard.

SPEAKER_01: 37:26

A leather sling, which is like a big swing that you lay it down in and you've got like foot rests and armrests.

SPEAKER_03: 37:33

No. Double sling, could you imagine that? That'd be cool. Oh you and you make it and fuck at the same time.

SPEAKER_01: 37:38

Yeah, but it'd be hard to fucking because you've got to get the same rhythm then and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03: 37:42

Well no, they can just be side by side, but you can sort of like, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 37:45

Okay, we'll do that when we open one. Okay. Um, but yeah. And then you've got, which is really important, HIV and STI information. So they've all venues have tons and tons and tons of information. Tons of information.

SPEAKER_02: 38:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 38:02

So whether it be understanding HOV, any sexually transmitted, all that kind of stuff, right?

SPEAKER_03: 38:08

And we mentioned before in other podcasts about those things that they have now, those those automatically. The self-test kits, and that, yeah. Yep. And I think that's such a good thing. But I mean, you know, we've we've talked about HIV and SGIs before, so there's no point in us talking about that. Yeah. I mean, it's important, like I say, it's very, very important to get tested every single, every three months or more or less. Correct, correct. Um, but look, I mean, the end of the day, you know, everybody needs to sort of like gen up and research and realize that.

SPEAKER_01: 38:34

And I guess that's why the test kits are really, really good, is for I guess the non-gay identifying men that are potentially married, that are going to these venues, um, that have got wives and kids and stuff like that at home. They can test on the premises, and it literally is. It's like a COVID test, pretty much. It's pretty much straight away. So therefore, you can um go in there, test yourself, and you know that you're negative um straight away, and so you can go home. If it comes back as a positive, then you can take whatever appropriate action is.

SPEAKER_03: 39:06

And have you noticed that all venues, when you enter them, they're all off the main streets normally? So, like like you when you go into um Saxon Premises, like any of the streets in Sydney, you walk off the street into them. Do you don't like arrows is slightly different because you come down in it because it's like an industrial area, you don't enter it from the street front, but or you look at look at the other ones. You walk Alxa Street, you walk into Sydney screen off the street.

SPEAKER_01: 39:32

Yeah, but that's a primary location, that's why.

SPEAKER_03: 39:34

But what I'm saying is, but having noticed that it's it seems just to be a standard thing that Sydney that saunas are normally in an area where you actually enter from a street access, a main street.

SPEAKER_01: 39:46

Okay, I'm not sure I get what you're saying, because shops you're walking from a street as well.

SPEAKER_03: 39:50

Yeah, but what I'm saying is, I mean, there are different types of saunas that will be different. Like like the one arrows is different because it is in an industrial area. Yeah, but it's so you are.

SPEAKER_01: 39:58

So that's why it's a bit more seedy.

SPEAKER_03: 40:00

Well, not really. But what I'm saying is some people might not enjoy people seeing them going in. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 40:05

So choose, yeah, choose choose which venue you want to go to based on, I guess, how non-division.

SPEAKER_03: 40:10

If you are on the down low or you incognito or whatever, I mean just bear that in mind because most of these venues will have an option only that you have to go coming up the street, you know. You don't have a backdoor entrance then once. No, no, you don't. Until you get inside, obviously.

SPEAKER_01: 40:24

You've got all the back doors you want. But yes, yep, yep. So um, so it's it says here open sesame walking into a venue, a legitimate business, venues welcome you. Um, the vo they value you as a customer and appreciate your patronage. So don't feel intimidated or shy because without paying customers like you, venues simply wouldn't exist, right? So um head on in, basically, shower, spar, and chill. Do a lap, right?

SPEAKER_03: 40:52

And that's important. Yeah, do a lap, kick away at the land, right? And what is so hard sometimes when you go to these venues, you see people coming in and then you're busy doing something, and then you think, oh, I've got to try and find that, I gotta try and find that place. And do you think you can find them afterwards?

SPEAKER_01: 41:06

Another thing that I have noticed, right? Um, and I've noticed it at Arrows quite a few times. Your penis grows? No. That if there is somebody that definitely happens, right? But if there is somebody brand new, right, those guys there go out of their way to make sure that that person feels welcome, right? They say to them, All right, here's where this is, here's where that is, let me show you around. And they get somebody, if they've got the availability of staff, yeah, they will get them. And I remember when Graham used to be there, right? Yeah, he'd go and show people around, right? And it wasn't so he could pick him up or anything like that, it was just because he was exceptional customer service. Um, and then the other guy that I can never remember his bloody name. Uh Richard. Richard does the same, yeah. Right? He's going, Hey love, how you going? Blah blah blah. I I haven't got time to show you around, but hang on a second here at the doorway and I'll find someone for you that can show you. And he'll grab like a regular and say, Can you just show him the ropes? Yeah, right, and stuff like that. So I've noticed that happen at arrows. Yes. Haven't noticed so much at Sydney Sauna or anything like that. I've never noticed that at all at Sydney Sauna.

SPEAKER_03: 42:10

Never. It's only arrows I've ever seen. Well 357, sometimes they would have people show you around. I remember that happening. Yeah, but it's always arrows that have been the ones that be able to do.

SPEAKER_01: 42:23

Which is good, which is really good. I said so do a lap and um basically get to know Delay of the Land and so on. And even when we went up to see Miss Haiti that time, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 42:32

Then Richard took us up to that. Yeah, yeah, he did too. And he introduced us that way, so it wasn't us being being here and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah. And it was great, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01: 42:41

So yeah, but yeah. Um, get your dick stirring. So there's no way better to get in the mood and watching guys in open space, beat the steam room, the storeroom, the dark room, the glory hells go and put your mouth on one of those things.

SPEAKER_03: 42:53

And it is weird because I mean, most of the time people are wearing towels because it's like unless you do nude night. No, but what I'm saying is the average sort of like sauna when you go there, people get a towel, they grab a towel and walk around, unless you're in an area where it says specifically no towels only, yeah, you know, and that certain nights and certain days and certain times have those sort of venues. But some people just walk around naked anyway, yeah. And you tend to find those people the ones that are either very exhibitionist or they're the ones that are either high on something, yeah, yeah, or they are just people have lost their towel.

SPEAKER_01: 43:26

Yeah, because that happens. Correct, because that happened, that's what you actually do. There's nothing we're doing. You go into a room with somebody and you go, Whose towel is that? And you go, well, that one's mine, and you go, Well, I'm sure we all walked in in a towel. How the fuck are the three disappeared? It's like when you hang them up on the pegs and you you know which ones are yours, and then you come back and you're not there. No, and the one that's left is all fucking drinks all wet reds up on the floor. 90 90% of the time. So yeah. Um, jump right in, right? Um, have fun.

SPEAKER_03: 43:52

You have to. I mean, you have to lose your inhibitions when you go to these old places because if you stay closeted or you stay inhibited, then And basically you're not going to get any enjoyment from it.

SPEAKER_01: 44:02

No. If if there's somebody standing there jerking off, right? Watch or offer that do it next to them, right? So just close enough. But people will tell you if they don't want you to touch them. They'll say no. Yeah. Right. Or you could the way you like because consent is king in these venues, right? Um, and we'll talk about that a bit later. But consent is king. So you'll notice the eye contact will be a I'm not looking at you at all. You're not, I'm not interested, right? You'll think you notice anyway. There are some people that are very persistent in these venues. So you're actually allowed to say no, and if they continue to force themselves on you, you say, look, fuck off, or I will let management know. Yeah. And you'll be booted. Yeah. And then sometimes and don't be afraid to do that because don't do anything you're not comfortable with.

SPEAKER_03: 44:51

Well, you've done that as well, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01: 44:52

I have done that, definitely have done that. So yeah. Um, they are low-lit. Right. So just be careful. Because, like they've said before, you will bump into things, you will definitely bump into things, all right. Um, like I've bumped into things, Dave's bumped into many things. Um, yeah, some things have been good because you go, oops, sorry. And then I know a friend of ours, he bumped into a guy that was there and he turned around and he said, Oh, sorry about that. Can I apologise? And literally, before the guy had even said what, how, he was on his knees, sucking his dick, and he went, Oh, if that's okay, that's how you're going to apologize.

SPEAKER_03: 45:33

And then he says, You don't mind, do you?

SPEAKER_01: 45:34

Yeah, and he didn't clearly, because he was enjoying it.

SPEAKER_03: 45:37

So, yeah. But these are the main sort of things, the rules of engagement. These are the ones that I struggled with initially when I first started going, so I didn't have a fucking clue. It becomes apparent, you know, as you progress and you go more often and you start talking to people, you realize there are subtle instances or there are subtle key things that happen within these confined spaces. Yeah. And then it's whether or not you pick up on the cue, or whether or not you take the cue, or whether or not you just walk away, is up to you. But you know, like you said, no means no, and that's a big thing in all those songs. Huge, you know, huge, you know. Like I said, people do respect that nine times out of ten, you know. Um, and you're allowed to say no to. Yes, exactly. And it's hard, you know. Sometimes you feel okay, um, you know, I'm I'm a bit bit sort of like, you know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01: 46:23

Especially if you're new to it all, it can be very overwhelming. It can be, that's right. Right. Um, and remember that consent is all the way along from start to first. Because some people will take advantage. So might some people go, oh, your first time here, cool, no worries. Let me show you the ropes, and then next minute you're back in the room getting fucked in your life.

SPEAKER_03: 46:41

And I've seen that, I've seen that before where they sit there and they're stroking their arms and they're holding their legs, and that poor person you can see just wants to get away, but they're just being polite and engaging because that person's done.

SPEAKER_01: 46:51

Yeah, I've intervened a few times on that kind of situation myself and say though, hey, how you going, buddy? Bye. Uh you you can tell, you can tell by their body language, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03: 47:00

Yep, correct. And then you know, then you go on to saying, don't be offended if someone says no either. Yeah, it's a it's not rejection, it just means you're not their fit. That's not for you. And you might not be their fit. That's okay. That is perfectly okay, right? And we all take it to, you know, sometimes you feel a little bit dejected. It's horrible because we don't like rejection. But when we do it to someone else, you've got to put yourself in their position because we're doing it to them too. You know, correct, correct. So look, I mean, you you get over it pretty quickly. You realize that, yeah, okay, you know, you are the hotest guy in here, and I really want you, but guess what? I know I'm not gonna get you. Not gonna get you. And then sometimes you might be pleasantly surprised, and they do get you. You do, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 47:37

Um, but be polite and subtle in your advances and rejections. Absolutely is what I would say as well. Be like being polite doesn't cost anything. No, say thanks, but no thanks, or like you just say, brush the hand away gently, right? Don't push the hand away so far and make a big scene like they've just raped you, um, right? Just by them touching your dick. Your dick's on show, it's in your hand, you're stroking it, right? If somebody goes to grab it, don't go, oh, let's don't touch me, right? Just go subtly push the hand away.

SPEAKER_03: 48:08

Because one of one of the main cues is when someone is either standing outside one of the cubicle doors, waiting, and then they're just sort of like looking around. You glance them, you they see you, you glance them back as well. Yeah, you might not be ready, or you might be playing the sort of like I want to play a bit harder to get here. Yeah, and then you walk around a few times. Well, we didn't have this, and they're still there, then you sort of like you. You know it's on like don't keep it. You can see because they they they they sort of back themselves into the room slightly, so they sort of like push themselves slightly, but they're still in the doorway. Yeah, so that's an indication to you that they want to go in. They will walk in, they will give you eye contact, they will walk in and stand inside the room. Now, whether or not you walk in that room after them is up to you. Yeah, if you do walk in there, then it's nine times out of ten, it's like an invitation again. Yeah, sometimes people do get like, okay, you know, they'll go in there and then you see them coming straight back out because either they're both bottoms or they're both tops, or they realise that something's not gonna work. Yeah, yeah. That dick's too big to fit in there.

SPEAKER_01: 49:09

And that happens quite a few times.

SPEAKER_03: 49:10

Yeah, correct. And we do laugh, don't we?

SPEAKER_01: 49:12

Sometimes they're waiting to be invited, but I don't mean um verbally, because that won't happen. Right. Or written, because that definitely won't happen. Right. But just you get a nod. You'll get a nod, you'll get a smile.

SPEAKER_03: 49:24

Eye contact is the key, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. You know, so and then obviously then the rest of it's just subtlety of what you're doing. Don't be shy. Um they'll walk to they stroke your arm.

SPEAKER_01: 49:35

I tend not, like I was just about to say, I tend not to go straight for the dick, yeah, right. I tend to go for the chest or the arm first or the nipples. Yep. Um, and then once you've established that yes, that that other person is actually okay because they're reciprocating, right? And they're not just standing there frozen like a statue, yeah. Right. Um, because that generally means that no, they're not interested.

SPEAKER_03: 49:56

That's the other thing as well, because you might not realize that to start with, if they do not interact with you, there's a high probability that they're not interested. A nine times ten, they'll walk away. I do the same as well, you know. I mean, yeah. You you realise that they're not getting your vibe or they're not picking up on your signals. Yeah. So then you walk away and hopefully then they realize that.

SPEAKER_01: 50:16

Yeah. So respect their personal space and comfort and activities as well. So um stop mid-play if you feel uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_03: 50:27

Yes, and that can be happening sometimes, like you know.

SPEAKER_01: 50:30

I did that last week. So there was there was in one of the situations last week, I was fucking someone. Well, we were in there together, yeah. We were, and um He was a good guy. He was a good guy, very good, very good. Um, and sort of like I just felt a little bit it was it was just a bit of a lot of people.

SPEAKER_03: 50:47

You were fucking him, I was sucking him. So I was down and I just smelled, and I I get put off the spin. The minute I smell shit, I get I fucking up.

SPEAKER_01: 50:53

Yeah, but it was douchewater. He definitely cleaned. He was because I wasn't dirty, yeah. No, but I just felt a bit, oh hang on a second, this isn't right for a second. So I just went and had a bit of a wash.

SPEAKER_03: 51:03

This is where you've got to be sort of like um respectful as well, because you don't you don't want to make it. If you're playing in the backyard, you're gonna get dirty, all right, is what I say. But what I'm saying is if it if they are genuinely clean, like he was, yeah, and it could just be in like residual, yeah, um, which is standard and normal, then you've got to give them the benefit of the doubt. Now you obviously just said I'm just gonna go in the toilet and clean myself. You came back, yeah. Um, because obviously, but then I yeah, once I got myself back into mode. I I was fine because I I knew the smell wasn't lingering, so yeah. But when you know, you know, yeah, and then that's the time to stop. And they were they they will respect that because they can smell it as well. Yeah, and if they know they're not clean, then there's a high probability that they will want to go and shower anyway. You would hope anyway.

SPEAKER_01: 51:45

Yeah, correct. Um look, I mean, don't but don't feel embarrassed, but stop midway. I think this point is actually a really, really, really important one. It says, keep an open mind, right? And I'm gonna read this verbatim because I think it's actually important. It says, at some point in your cruising career, you will cruise amongst a beautiful array of men with a diversity of body shapes, shades, sizes, and parts. You might have an awesome and hot fuck with someone you might never have considered before, so keep an open mind. And that is a fact. That is a fact, yes. I know that there's definitely been people where I go, oh, that's definitely not my type, right? Um, because they might have been a bit chunkier than I would normally go for. Yep. Um, they might have been um potentially a different race that I wouldn't normally go for. Yep, but I've had some fucking great sex because of it, right? And that's why I actually don't ever say no to anything.

SPEAKER_03: 52:45

Judgment is the biggest turn-off, I suppose. I mean, yeah, yeah. And like you say, sometimes you could go in there with an open mind and then you come out with the best results ever.

SPEAKER_01: 52:55

Correct, correct, correct. So I mean, it's got a few techniques here on how to say yes and stuff like that. So the actively cruising someone, basically, eye contact, arm brushing someone, which we've all discussed as well. Copy body language. Yeah, the yeah, copy the body language, the the one, two, three turns. So you're sort of basically walking past, and then you you think I think these are important to read about, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03: 53:18

Because this is what I had to I struggle with when I first started. So not knowing these, not knowing how to reciprocate was the hardest thing for me to start with, apart from my cock, obviously. Yeah, um, you know, but learning learning these things were I went downstairs and actually asked the staff members what the fuck am I supposed to be doing. Yep. And they said get up there and suck icon i cock. Well, well, they basically told me what I was doing wrong, and they just said, like, do this, do that. And then obviously when I went upstairs, I sort of like kind of got it, but it just took a lot more practice for me to understand, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 53:51

Um saying yes to someone, obviously, you just said like there nod your head, maybe smile, signal acceptance, even uh throw your head over your shoulder as if say you want to come into the room.

SPEAKER_03: 54:00

And again, touches are very, very, very, very important thing. So if someone touches you, if you reciprocate that and touch them back, that is such a huge thing to get on in a hookup with somebody, you know. And then it just means that you know you're integrating touch and touch, you know, and it can be quite erotic, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 54:17

Yeah, correct, correct. Um so saying no, basically breaking eye contact, um, stay where you are and continue to avoid eye contact or slightly move out of the eye line of sight and stuff like that. We've mentioned that. So we should we mentioned that as well.

SPEAKER_02: 54:31

Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 54:31

Um to actually actively cruise, make eye contact and maintain it beyond the usual length of time. Which don't be creepy about that. We do that in public anyway. Yeah, we do that. I do that in public. We call it gay chicken. Um Michael named it gay chicken, so we've kept it since then. So I thought it was great. Um, like I said, touch a stroke, nipples, um, your dick, something like that. Use your eyes to nod, right?

SPEAKER_03: 54:53

Um yeah, but these are all things that you can.

SPEAKER_01: 54:56

So in the eyes, the subtle brush, like I said, the turn. Um, stand in a cubicle doorway, which we just said. We'd it's like we've read this book, Dave. We haven't read it, we've just lived it.

SPEAKER_02: 55:06

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 55:08

Sitting or laying in the cubicle. Yeah, so I remember my back in my early days when I told you I got fucked at at body line, like I laid face down in the cubicle, right, with the door open, right, and my ass slightly up. That's a pretty much sure way of saying, Come fuck me. I can't do that.

SPEAKER_03: 55:25

No. I I I walk past those rooms. Yeah, I I don't get turned on the bottom.

SPEAKER_01: 55:30

Okay, I was but hang on, we're talking I was like 20-something, young fit hot, right? You would have fucking walked into that room and had a fucking went to town on me, buddy.

SPEAKER_03: 55:40

But you were just sitting there with your ass up in the air.

SPEAKER_01: 55:42

No, I was laying down on the m on the bed thing, right on my towel, right? Would I see your face? No.

unknown: 55:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 55:51

Just your ass. You would have seen my body, which was fucking amazing. Right. So you would have come in, you would have fucking well the guy that came in, he came in, ate my ass first, um, then fucking fucked me. How were you? Yeah, it was good. It was hot. It was very hot. Was that your first time? Uh not first time being fucked, but it was close to first time being rimmed, it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was really good. Really good. Um, cruising with your partner. Well, we we're not partners, but we cruised together all the time. So it's basically um, I remember when I was with Darren, um you're reading the book backwards, Dave, your donkey. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 56:28

No, you jumped a few pages.

SPEAKER_01: 56:29

No, I didn't.

SPEAKER_03: 56:30

Yeah, okay. I've just gone through them all. Can you talk about the one two one, one two?

SPEAKER_01: 56:33

That's what I talked about, yeah. Yeah, you're not listening to me. Okay, right, come on. All right, and then just talked about those things. But sorry. Um when I was with Darren and we were a couple, right, and we used to cruise, we go to Cairns together, right? Um, Miss Cairns, just slaying saying that again. It says hot mushroom head. Yeah, big mushroom head, yep, yep. Um, right. Um, we used to have these like one tap on the knee meant yes, like two taps on the knee meant hell yes. And then like a tap on each other's foot was uh no, not interested. So we'd have signals. And I think we still have them, though. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, ours are probably less subtle. Ours are like, ooh, um no, um no, no. I just grab your walk off. Yeah, he just walks off, says I'm not interested. Um, well, I already know what you're interested in, what you're interested in anyway, basically. Um, but me and Darren were very new at this whole thing, all right. And so we had our signals in that as well. So it was like it was it was quite fun, um, I guess. But if you are in a couple, make sure you've got your rules together before you go to these venues.

SPEAKER_03: 57:33

Like we know that some people don't like kissing.

SPEAKER_01: 57:35

Are you happy to cruise together? Are you happy to cruise separately? Are you happy to kiss other guys? Are you happy to not kiss other guys? Um, like, are you happy to be penetrated by guys in there? Because if you don't have this all worked out before you go in there, it's going to be a nasty, nasty bitch fight while you're in there.

SPEAKER_03: 57:55

Jealousy will come out very quickly.

SPEAKER_01: 57:56

Yeah, because if your husband sees a guy that he wants to fuck him, right? Or your partner sees a guy that he wants to fuck him, and you're usually the only person to ever fuck him, right?

SPEAKER_03: 58:08

And you haven't pre-discussed this, or you see how much he's getting off, and you're not playing part of that, yeah. Can be really quite important.

SPEAKER_01: 58:16

Make sure you you talk about your rules before you go in there, is what I say.

SPEAKER_03: 58:19

And we do see people they do split apart, don't they? They got to be able to do it. So that means they're not seeing what the other person's doing or feeling, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 58:27

Yeah, but again, that's important.

SPEAKER_03: 58:28

Yeah, you are right in that regard.

SPEAKER_01: 58:30

Yeah, dealing with rejection again, it's not you. But it is important to mention it because it's not you, but like it's just it's just it might be you. Um it might be you. Um, if it is, if you get rejected by everyone, have a look. Maybe why? Have you showered before you've gone into the cruising area? Have you cleaned yourself a bit? Are you tidy? Because we are in the gay community, right? And we do hold ourselves to standards, right? And I'm not talking there is definitely body positivity, especially in these venues, right? Um, and there are all shapes and sizes. So I'm not talking about whether you're a larger guy, a skinny twink, or anything like that. I mean tidy as in um it doesn't look like you've got cheese coming off the end of your dick and stuff like that, right? You can't smell you from a mile away, right? Oh, right. Have you got breath mints? Have you usually at these venues they'll have some kind of um mouthwash, right?

SPEAKER_03: 59:30

I think you can still be rejected out of the glory hole as well. You can, you can because they could have their dick in the thing and then people just walk straight past and look at it and think, nah, fucking not doing that.

SPEAKER_01: 59:38

Yeah, well, well, remember not so long ago I went and sucked on that dick because it looked like an alright dick, and I fucking had to go out and gag because the guy had put on so much aftershave, right, that his dick tasted like fucking aftershave, right? And I'm thinking, you're not supposed to put aftershave on your dick, buddy. Like, I don't know how his dick got aftershave on it, but it was like heavily scented.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:02

Well, there is that one guy that has his clothes on when he comes in there, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:06

And he smells amazing. Oh, he smells but he smells fresh. He's amazing. He smells like he just got out of laundrette, doesn't he? Yeah, he feels like he's been in the washing machine himself, but it's like a bottle of cuddly. He's got a nice cock as well, isn't he? He's got a nice cock as well, but he squeals like a funny as fuck, isn't it? He comes like a girl. He comes like he's like, ah, ah, it's so hard. It is but like you see, yeah, he loves it, he loves it. Yeah, haven't seen him for a long time actually. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:32

Um but then we don't go regularly enough anyway.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:35

So yeah. When he's a guy when a guy is being persistent, unless you're Kim Mukany, no one likes being followed by someone who can't take a hint. Oh, we have that and we have that uh frequently. There's and there's a couple of same people that do it. That one person that we've I've I made the mistake of letting him suck my dick once and play with him a little bit once, right? And he thinks that now that every time we're gonna go there, it's gonna be on, right? And we have said no repeatedly, right? We've avoided his anytime he comes up, it's been a no, right? It's been a brush the hand away, not interested, right? And he just won't take no for an answer.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:20

But he he knows we know him because you don't forget a face. Yep, correct. I'm not being funny, um, but the fact is when we go there, he does the same thing every time. Yeah, every time. And then I find myself going up and down different floors trying to get away from him, trying to run from him, and then he's there again, and then he continues, and you're like, fuck off, you know, just go away.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:42

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:43

But no, but there you go. But there are those people that what can you do? You can only just say fuck off.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:49

Yep. So sometimes uh checking in on yourself, sometimes, even though you may have had a hot time, venues can leave you feeling a little flat, questioning yourself or your actions. This is normal and can be caused by a number of experiences, such as having sex with somebody you normally wouldn't just because there was no one else around you and you're a horny.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:11

We've all been there, yeah, right?

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:12

Um, we've all had regret sex. Um, but yeah, thinking you and Mr. Wright, um, you'll meet Mr. Wright at least a regular fuck buddy, but it didn't pan out, right? Um, again, like you've got to work at it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:26

Chances are you're not meeting Mr.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:29

Wright there.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:29

No, exactly you're right. Right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:30

You might, you might, not saying you won't, but chances are you won't. So um, you know, having great sex with somebody who then ignores you or avoids you. So that's happened as well.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:42

Yeah, so the thing is that that's weird. I don't get it though. I don't.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:45

Well, they're there for one purpose, right? So a lot of people are there just to get their rocks off, right?

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:51

But it is frustrating though, because you think I've just sucked your cock and you just sucked my cock and they don't want to even fucking say hi.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:57

Yeah, but you want to have a conversation, you don't just say hi. I know, but right now so for a lot of people, right, this is about anonymity, it's about not opening up, it's about getting the job done, right? For you, it's about connection, all right? So this is where the two different right. So sometimes if they've, yep, let's do this, let's blow each other, let's suck each other, let's fuck each other, let's do all of the above, right? But then, like, you love a chat, let's be honest. Yeah, but we've got to get knowledge in them, yeah. But some people don't because I notice that. Yeah, but because it just like like that that married guy with the big beard, right? That has the same name as you, um, right, he won't even look in my direction anymore. Right. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, I'm sure we've sucked each other's dicks, I'm sure we've played together, we've done all this other stuff. But but like you've had proper conversations, right? But he just doesn't even look in your direction, and it's just like, mate, I'm not after a boyfriend, right? Well, it's true though.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:00

I mean, it happens, so you know, this this whole thing is just like you know, it's just a common denominator here, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:06

Yeah, correct, correct. So um, sex, what I've I just read all that, Dave.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:12

No, you got so there are a number of things that you can do to reduce the chance of experiencing negative feelings, like check in with yourself before you you compromise how you are feeling and when you uh so and when you're willing to go and whom with, right? Um, if you are having sex with somebody and it doesn't feel right, politely leave the situation and use the experience to learn the opportunities. Um, think about what uh went wrong and how you might do it differently next time. So these are things that you have to question yourself about. I remember, like I told you in the past, and probably on this podcast as well, that when I first started meeting up with people, not on sex on premises, when I went to their houses and stuff like that, I'll go there, I'd be excited, I'd blow my load very quickly, and then I'd want to go because they weren't the person I would like normally go with, or I would feel like, oh my god, it's too much for me to cope with. And I remember physically going into my car afterwards and sitting there, and then I'd be throwing up, you know, I mean, making myself sick because I felt wrong. So it's just a process you all go through, you know. And again, I mean you can't always, you know, get what you want first time, every time, you know. No, correct. And I think it's just about just making sure to yourself that what you're doing is not a harmful thing, it's not wrong. It's just basically you need to get your head straight and realize that you know, yeah, these things happen to everybody, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:33

Yes. So, um, all right, so there's lots of pages still in the middle of the phone. Well, I think we're in an hour and five minutes. We need to go on to this bit because this bit is very important. This this well, this this is some one of the acts that you can do and while you're there. And um and uh while I wouldn't say I partake in it often, right? This and next one, I don't partake in it often. I have done it, right? But I don't Don't say I wouldn't do it every time. We know someone who does like it. We know someone who very much likes it. We miss him. We need to call out to him and say hi. Um but yeah, yeah, yeah. So this this head Mr. Clint, if you're listening, we love you. Um Clint. Huh? Yeah, Clint. No. No. I know who you're talking about, but I think you mean Clay. Clint. Clay. Oh well, Clay, Clint. Clay. That's a pseudo name, anyway. So that's not his real name. That's what I got it wrong. So the heading of this one is called The Shitty Side of Rimming. Um, so what's rimming, Dave? Rimming is anything you want to do with your ass and your tongue, basically. Basically, rimming can be amazing both for the liquor and the licked, but it does pose a threat to a range of gut infections like shinjella and giardiera uh that is spread by tiny little particles of contaminated shit entering the mouth. Alright? Um sounds delightful, but lots of fun still, right? This can occur in two ways by direct sexual contract contact while roomming, or indirect contact while contaminated objects or hands are put in the mouth. They can cause a range of symptoms like vomiting, diarrhea, and stomach cramps. They can especially be serious for people with HIV. Right, so um rimming. So I have a torrent what a tone? What? No. I have some, I guess, some rules that I put in place for myself there, right? And I don't just generally go into a room and start rimming someone, right? Really, really rare. Um, so I would have seen someone in the showers, right? Seen them having a good lather up and a good wash and stuff like that. Notice that they've got a really nice fucking ass, number one, because Clay has a fucking great ass, right? Um, he's got a fucking fit body, yeah. Um, but um we I won't just go in and start eating somebody's ass. That's just not what I do, right? Um, it has to be the kissing, the all that kind of stuff has to happen first, has to be a lot of feeling around and all that. Um, and it's a bit of a precursor to if I do this, I'm gonna get a reward and get my stick my cock in you as well. Um kind of thing. So um, but yeah, so but it's not for everybody, you know. No, it's not for everyone. Some people sit there and go, Oh, I can't believe it. You fucking put your tongue in somebody's asshole.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:25

I do think it is important to try it. Yeah, I anybody, you know, whether you're straight, gay, why, whatever.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:32

I don't love being rimmed all the time. As long as the mirror is clean. I don't love it, right? Sometimes I like it, sometimes I don't, right? Because sometimes I just get very anxious about whether I'm clean and stuff like that, as you're aware. Yeah. Um, and I know I am, but sometimes I get super anxious about it. Um, but I did get rimmed a while ago now, and I mentioned on the podcast at that point in time, where I basically fucking fucking blew my load. He was rooming me so good.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:04

Um, I think that was in a steam room, wasn't it, as well?

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:06

I can't remember. It was in a steam room, yeah. I don't know where it was, but it was so good.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:11

I remember that guy that when we were in Arrows in that room at the back, and there was quite a few of us, and that piano man was there talking, and then that hot Colombian guy came in, or Filipino, whatever his name was.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:24

And I was like ribbing him while he was like uh doing things with you guys. Yep. And then he was just getting fucking completely off of it, wasn't he? Yeah, he was, he was indeed. So again, I mean, you know, giving and taking, I mean, sometimes giving it can be hard because you need to have a bit of a breath because you know, if they're sitting there, you should breathe anyway. I know, but sometimes, you know, you can be going your fucking tongues going, oh, I'm gonna get a fucking break now. Yeah, yep, yep, yeah, yeah. So just pace it, thank you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:51

So um, I think we've talked enough about SDIs and all that kind of stuff. We talked about it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:55

But there is things like you know, if you do believe that you are it's a you have been infected or you believe that you could be exposed to HIV, yeah, don't panic. That's a big thing. Meltdown or short thinking is the worst thing you can do. You should consider taking PrEP or seeking PEP treatment immediately, but no later than 72 hours after potential exposure. PEP is a four-week course of HIV treatment, which may stop HIV infections occurring, provided the treatment is started as soon as possible after the risk has been happened. Yeah, the best effective uh the best the best, sorry, to be most effective, PEP that's PEP, not PEP, PEP should be started within a few hours of exposure to HIV. If it's not started within 72 hours, three days, it may may not may not likely work. There is a hotline you can call.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:43

But like I said, don't panic. I mean, the end of the day, but this again is one of the things that you should be talking to your people as well. Talking to people about HIV, whether they've got STIs, whatever, is important before you even engage in sex because and most people will say, you know, you know, just to let you know I'm HIV positive but I'm negative, or HIV negative, yeah. Um, you know, or I'm positive, but uh, with zero fire alone, all this lot, you know. I mean, so you know your parameters of where you can play and what you should be doing. Yes, I think common courtesy, and I think it's by law you're meant to tell somebody if you have got HIV anyway. Oh, I don't know. I'm pretty sure it is.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:17

Anyway, I don't know. Um, those rules are all changing now because obviously with prep and pep and all those kind of things, and um and um somebody is positive, their viral load, they're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:28

What about what's your take on drugs in these venues, Matthew?

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:31

So it happens, obviously. So it's been cleaned up, especially arrows, and I'm looking at the time and thinking we need to move along. Yeah, um, but it happens obviously. Um, places have cleaned them up a lot. Um, so but it still happens, like whether you're talking about serious drugs or poppers, even um, so am all it it happens.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:52

Um, so just be cautious of it because you know sometimes you can see it plainly and openly, other times you might not be so you know aware of it, you know, yeah, until you know you feel threatened.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:04

Yep, correct, correct, correct. So but this guide will be available. I'm I'm guessing it's available online as well. If you go to Akon's website, right, and and type in the cruising guide, right? I'm I'm guessing it would be.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:17

I'm not sure what what date this was published in. It's probably button.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:22

Nothing's changed, nothing's changed at all, but it's a good book anyway, um, to have. Even if you want to just look at some naughty pictures, there's some nice cocks in here and some hot guys. And if you're wondering what I look like, if you open the front cover, that's me.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:34

It's not this was actually this was actually made in 4357 because it says in the back for acknowledgments. Oh, does it?

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:40

Yeah, there you go. Okay, so there you go. In the old 357. Yep. Um, so yeah, but it is the cruising guide. If you go to Akon's website, they'll have it there. Um, but it is uh very informative and um and very good, very, very good indeed. So I like it a lot, yes, and there's lots of really good information in there. So um, so knowing that. I think we should just hit the button, Matt. Yeah, which button is that, Dave? Uh, whatever one you can choose.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:12

They're grumpy, they're gay, they've got something to say. From traffic use the crook, cues, the bitch in all the way. Game and Max Papee!

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:23

All right, cranky old bastard. Keep it short, keep it short. I think you should go first this time. Well, okay. I've got I've only got a couple, right? And I've just got to be able to read up right on my fucking things. Right, okay. So I've done a bit of shopping today. You did, didn't you? I did, because because you got on the cruise soon. I'm going on a cruise real soon, right? And I decided I needed a GoPro because we're going snorkeling on one of those days. Well, you had a GoPro, but you didn't. I do put it up. But um, okay, but I had a GoPro from back in when GoPro got first released. So it is antiquated, right? And the last time I tried to use it, the battery wouldn't even hold charge and all that kind of thing. Well, if you know Matthew, Matthew has to have every gadget up to date within three months of each other. I had some spare money, so I thought to myself, you know what? I can get one and I will use it, um, and I will make sure I use it. Shut up, I'll make sure I use it. It's not like a drone that I drones are hard to use because you can't fucking use them anywhere, right? And what about you? You could take your yoga mats with you. Was that funny? I can't pick this guy in the cuts in a minute. Um, but yeah. Um, so if I could get time to use yoga, I would go to yoga. I'm I'm not gonna no, there is yoga on the cruise, but you have to pay. But you take your yoga cruise. I'm not paying. You got your facilities, you got stuff. Yeah, but I'm not paying to go to yoga on the cruise.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:42

You bought everything.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:43

I'm not paying on the cruise to go to yoga, Dave, is what I just said. All right. So, so and that is a paid class. I'm not paying for a fitness class. No, I don't know. I'm not good enough to do it by myself yet. I have not opened my retreat yet. Um, anyway, my pet peeve is gonna be you in a fucking second, right? My pet peeve is the price disparity, right? So I looked online at at my GoPro 13, right? The latest model, obviously. All right. Um, don't fuck yourself. Um, yeah, I hope you choked to death, can't right. And the price disparity from one shop to another shop was ridiculous. Now, I ended up getting a bundle deal, right? Um, which came with batteries and oh spare with spare batteries and SD card and all that kind of stuff, right? And a case. Yeah, yeah, I know, correct, right? And it was actually cheaper that way than going to a different store and getting it just by itself, right? And I'm not talking a little bit, I'm talking like$300 cheaper, right? So I don't get like why is there such a disparity in pricing? Like, it's just it makes no sense to me. It's the same product, it's like the same product that I would have gotten from either shop.

SPEAKER_03: 1:15:58

And you're right in saying what you're saying, because they have this price match. So why didn't you just fucking have the same price in the first place?

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:04

It's the same price, like same product, they would have gotten it for the same price off the suppliers, right? All that kind of stuff, right? So it just I sat there and I went like, now, had I been a lazy shopper, like I usually am, right? Um, but it is a decent size purchase, it's like nearly a grand. So like I thought to myself, I bet it like or just like 700 or whatever it was, whatever. Yeah, just over. No, 589. I said to you. And now you just said it's 700. Yeah, but whatever, like as I'm saying, it's nearly a grand, right? 600 is nearly a thousand bucks. Whatever, dickhead. Anyway, um you were never good at maths. No, no, I'm not Asian. Um but anyway, um, so basically, if I was a lazy shopper, I would have gotten and spent like$883, right, on just a GoPro, right? And not knowing that there was actually options around there to actually go and buy it cheaper with other accessories that came for free as well. So do some shopping around. Whoop, whoop. Yana, fuck you. What's your pet peeve, Dave? Go, Dave.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:07

My pet peeve is when you go to a public toilet or like a club, and you go and you need to go to the toilet and nobody's flushed the toilet. Oh. Or there's no toilet paper, or there's no um hand towel to wipe your hands off. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's correct. And that's not exc that's not excusable.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:25

Yeah, but the the flash buttons there for a reason. Exactly. Like, you know, use it, you filthy pigs. Right.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:30

But I have noticed that some public toilets don't even have those fucking toilet brushes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:33

They're fucking No, no, but because somebody's stolen them. That's what I'm saying, but why would you want to fucking steal a toilet brush? Especially from a public toilet. Can you imagine how desperate you'd be right? Come ask me, I'll buy you a toilet brush. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:44

They should be putting there every day. You should have spare ones.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:46

That's pretty gross. That's pretty gross. Well, I'm gonna talk about my next one, which uh happened to me yesterday, which really pissed me off, right? I bought a washer-dryer combo, right? It's not like yeah, it's an all-in-one thing, right? Really good, right? Used to work perfectly fine, right? Now, for some reason, right, I went to do the wash-dry mode. I went to did this little beep to finish. I went in there and I went, these are still soaking wet, right? Or not soaking wet, but these are still damp, right? So I just changed it to just dry mode again, right? Must have gone through about seven times and it was still damp, right? So I just ended up pulling the sheets out because I was doing um my sheets for my spare bed for Ness when she comes over and stays and looks after my babies when we go on holidays. Um, but like literally, it was like seven times, and so I'm gonna get you to press the button in a second when we finish this and see if you can make it go hot, because mine wouldn't work and it was just shitting me to tears. So I gave up.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:51

Haven't you tried mine, so but yeah, but I gave up.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:54

But yeah, so that was mine. Like, and it's not that old, it's only a few years old. Yeah, so the thing is like it should just still just automatically.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:02

Well, I know that mine I've had issues with my because mine's the same as yours.

SPEAKER_04: 1:19:06

Yep.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:07

Um, on a different cycle, like sometimes it will stop for some reason. Yeah, I don't know. I mean I forgot on the 39 hot day, you know, just a normal dry uh wash mode. Yep. Sometimes I'll leave it and come back and it hasn't, it's just stopped. It's on this fucking line. Pain in the ass. Yeah. Pain in the ass. But yeah, they are watchers. My next one is rude people. Manners when you don't even say thank you or please. Oh, that's and you know, that seems to happen more and more. You know, when we go to the club, quite a few people just push in front of you or they don't know. Generation or fucking, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:39

I don't think it's uh I don't think it's even generational. I just think it's a sign of the times. I think people just being fucking lazy and rude. I think it's a sign of the times. I can never the sense of entitlement is ridiculous now, right? In people, I find the sense of entitlement is becoming next level, especially working in retail, right? People just expect that they're entitled to everything, right? Whether it be um like they're buying a yogurt and they expect you to give them a spoon, right? And I'm sitting there going, like, I'm sure at your work desk it would be and then they're the first ones to sit there and go, the environment, the environment, the environment, and sit there and go, I'm sure it would really be not that big a deal for you to throw a little spoon. If you know you're gonna have a yogurt every day, throw a little spoon in your handbag.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:27

Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:27

Right? Really not that hard, right? Rather than come to the store, and if the store doesn't have a spoon, it's like the biggest deal in the world, right? So the the the level of entitled entitlement around there and play you're there to serve them so they don't need to say please or thank you. So I get that a hundred percent really annoys the shit out of me. But yeah, all right. I think is have you got any others? Oh, there was just one more that was all which was just people vaping everywhere. What's the point? Well, why because they don't want to smoke anymore, don't they?

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:59

That's what I'm saying, but why fucking vape everywhere?

SPEAKER_01: 1:21:01

Because otherwise they'd be smoking everywhere.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:03

But you know, you're not allowed to smoke inside, so why vape inside?

SPEAKER_01: 1:21:07

Yeah, because it's I don't know, it's shit. I hate vapes.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:10

We all know my stance on vapes, especially especially when you're on a fucking train or something like that, and they're still fucking thinking it's acceptable to do it because they're not smoking technically.

SPEAKER_01: 1:21:17

Yeah, but it's not. It says no smoking, no vaping, no all those things.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:21

Yeah, but they get away with it because it doesn't produce the smoke it used to.

SPEAKER_01: 1:21:23

Yeah, so but yes, it's a pain in the ass. Anyway, it is a pain in the ass. It's disgusting. But yeah. Alright, well, I've been in Matt. You have. I am.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:33

I'm not you are, always will be. Yeah, sometimes. I'm I'm Dave, and I hope that you've enjoyed today's podcast, and hopefully you've learned something about cruising in the Saunas.

SPEAKER_01: 1:21:43

Have fun and let us know about your adventures at Saunas. Yes, your churches. Bye. Bye. That's a wrap from us. We've been your Fully Grown Homos, and we look forward to opening your mind, your ears, and your curiosities. Don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe, and share our podcasts with your curious friends. You can contact us on Fully Grown Homers Podcast at gmail.com or any of our socials, Fully Grown Homos Podcast.