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A Cock Tale Of Two Cities: Hood Up, Hood Off
A wild Sydney night out set the scene, but what stayed with us was a question we couldn’t shake: does foreskin really matter? We lean into the laughs and the awkward bits to unpack circumcision with clear eyes—how it began, who still does it, what the science says, and why porn and peer norms skew how we think about “normal” downstairs. Expect personal stories, a few saucy bathroom anecdotes, and a grounded look at consent, care, and culture.
We trace the arc from ancient Egypt to modern faith traditions across Judaism and Islam, and into the US medicalisation that framed circumcision as hygiene. Then we zoom out to global stats: high prevalence across the Middle East and parts of Africa, lower in Europe, China, and Australia, where younger parents are increasingly opting to wait. Along the way, we separate facts from folklore—infant UTI risk, STI contexts, recovery differences—while keeping the core message simple: daily hygiene matters more than skin status, and pleasure depends on technique, communication, and lube.
The heart of the conversation is autonomy. We weigh the case for tradition and early recovery against a growing push for bodily consent when the procedure isn’t medically urgent. We also talk about social pressure: urinal glances, porn defaults, and how body image shifts once you’re actually having sex with people who care about kindness and skill over a single aesthetic. If you’ve wondered whether cut or uncut changes cleanliness, sensation, or compatibility, you’ll get practical guidance and zero judgement. Consent, care, culture—that’s the compass.
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SPEAKER_01:Or message any of our socials, Fully Grown Homos Podcast. Hey Dave. Good afternoon, Matthew. It's still morning. Ah, it's afternoon. Yeah, it is. How'd that happen? Because you left it too late. I slept in and had a nice morning, relaxing. Are you being one of those mornings where you just don't give a shit? I know. I think it's your first day.
SPEAKER_02:It's your weekend.
SPEAKER_01:My day off. I just don't give a fuck.
SPEAKER_02:But I'm not surprised because we had a great night last night.
SPEAKER_01:We had a great night last night. We went out with some friends and we'll um we'll briefly touch. We went out with some really good friends. All my friends are really good friends. Went out with those with with Vic and Fanny and Allie and Sammy and Bloody Laura and John and Sammy. Sammy. And you and me.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I think that's eight of us. Eight of us. How many? How many people? We went out with all these awesome. So we went to the city. Sydney, for those that are not in the country. Yeah, so we went to a thing, a place called AlcoTraz, which is like a prison prison. Oh fuck, my wording's wording. It's a prison themed theatre restaurant type thing.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It's one of those, it's like a theatre that's been set up in a back shop of a warehouse, I suppose. Yeah. Yeah. But it's very well done.
SPEAKER_01:It's really cool.
SPEAKER_02:And you go in there and you basically become prisoners for the night. Yeah. And they treat you like prisoners.
SPEAKER_01:But we're gonna do a full F on that. But but we had a great night out. Um, it was a long night because I'd been working, I'd been up since 4 a.m. Yep.
SPEAKER_02:So I met you in the city. I came on the train and you were there.
SPEAKER_01:Yep.
SPEAKER_02:And then the others met us, and we went to Spice Alley first, didn't we?
SPEAKER_01:We went to Spice Alley for dinner, which is which is highly recommended. Yeah, lots of different foods.
SPEAKER_02:Whereabouts is that in Sydney?
SPEAKER_01:That's in Chippendale. Chippendale, basically. So yeah, yeah, not too far from Broadway. It's just like a new central station.
SPEAKER_02:It's like a whole street of like Asian different Asian cuisines.
SPEAKER_01:I think it's great. Yeah, it's beautiful. If you feel like Thai, you can go get Thai, you can just bring it back to your table. Everyone feels like a Malaysian, whatever it is you feel like, you can go and get it. It's awesome. You can have little eats, big eats, you can have a drink. Um it's a vibe. It was really cool. Um, but again, and again, the company was really good because everyone was chat, chat, chat, chat, chat, which is because it was in this alley, which is very mingly, yep, for want of a better word.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um, right, um, everyone could talk because it wasn't pumping music or anything like that sort of thing.
SPEAKER_02:It's so it was the ambience was good. The ambience was a lot of people around, and you know, there was lots of people sitting there having fun with their own little groups.
SPEAKER_01:Yep.
SPEAKER_02:And we found this table, decided to grab it, and it worked out well for where we were.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, yeah, really well. But um, but yeah, everyone had their dinner and all that kind of stuff, and and we we had a great night, but then like we'll we'll go into Alco Trades a little in another episode. In another episode, because I've recorded uh a ton of stuff so Ellisons can actually get involved and hearing the concept. And I do need to edit that one, unfortunately, because I did leave the mics on and there might be conversations that you can't actually hear because who knows what we were saying and who we were saying about. Exactly. Because we like the low-key bitch sometimes.
SPEAKER_02:Um we did go, Laura suggested that a place, didn't she?
SPEAKER_01:Or no, well, we actually after Alco Traz, we were gonna go to the Chippo, which is like Chibendale pub. Yeah, right? We got there, but we got there, boring. There was well, apart from it being boring. There was no staff members. There was literally one person on the bar. There was look like a private function downstairs. Yeah, but then there was a looks like there was an ex bar person or or or staff member as we're walking out, and they got overheard saying, Well, I'm not coming to fucking work if you don't pay me. You haven't paid me for the last three weeks.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, right.
SPEAKER_01:So it was like, oh, okay, so maybe it's not the cool place that we think it is, but it looked okay, but it's pet friendly, so that's really cool. Yep. Um so I said to Ali we'll check it out with our puppies um one day. Yep, definitely. But then we went to the next bar, and that was actually uh booked out completely by a private function. Right. So that was fine, but that inspired and then Laura said, Let's go to Saga Bar, right? Which we'd never heard of. I didn't know.
SPEAKER_02:But he was referred to her by Sammy because Sammy had been. So Sammy's the only one that had been to that place.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I tell ya, what a find. Sydney, if you're in Sydney, if you come to Sydney, look up Saga Bar. Wow. It's in Chippendale as well. It's just like in this little back alley somewhere. It's hidden, you would never know it was there. You have to knock on the door to come in. You knock on the door, they buzz you in, right? Um, you go in, and it's an oasis.
SPEAKER_02:It's like barley, Thailand, it's just beautifully set up. Yeah, it's the ambience is just amazing, gorgeous. And the fucking cocktails, heavenly. Like we didn't eat food as such, we had like things. Truffle fries. They were nice, they were delicious.
SPEAKER_01:They were really good, really good. But the the cocktails were just amazing. Like we had to go for uh two rounds of cocktails because I would say they they weren't cheap, but they weren't expensive for what they were. For what they were, right? I think they were actually really well priced and stuff, averaging between 25 and 35, I think. Absolutely. Um, like the the theatrics of the cocktails, just crazy, like crazy. Dave got one with a really cool bubble on it. Um because the flavours were amazing. Apparently, Dave's the guy to pick the cocktails going forward, which is really funny because if you've heard previous things, he doesn't do cocktails normally. Um, but then his second one again was uh awesome. It came with this floss and stuff all over like Persian floss fairy floss on top, and it was like a uh baccardi collider, colida, like a penny colada. With baccardi and software, and it was really delicious as well. Um she ate my fairy floss because I don't eat it. Yeah, yeah. He said, Anyone want fairy floss? I don't eat everything. And everyone went, whoa! Like it was like literally this big roar from the crowd as if to say, fuck yeah, we're gonna eat your floss. Um and it was really funny. It was actually really, really funny. The reaction, which uh um who knows, I may have reported it, but yeah, it was really funny. Um but then me and Vic had this thing called a lantern. Lantern thing. Something lantern. I don't know. It was it was it was such a spectacular presentation. It was like a a lantern. Like a Chinese lantern, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But then sort of came Chinese, it was like a one of those like um Asian lanterns, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like a big, big sort of gazebo type thing, and it came out with dry ice and the cocktail in it, and you opened the door, and this like smoke, billowing smoke, like flowed out of the actual out of the vessel. And it and the and the aromatics, like they got it down, Pat. Like this bar is so cool, and it was so busy when we got there, so we were lucky to get in. And there was like there was eight of us, and they they accommodated us and everyone, they said, Oh, have you been here before? And Sammy said, Yeah, I've been here for New Year's. And so they kind of went and she said, and I've taught I bought all my friends here from a long way away. Um, so they were really, oh fuck, she was a New Year's person, that means she's happy to spend cash.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:Right, and we didn't we never hesitate anywhere to go. No, not too much. Um, but it was it was cool, it was really cool. But yeah, so that's the saga bar. Saga bar. Definitely check it out. It's a good one.
SPEAKER_02:We put some links on our podcast.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we'll definitely, yeah, because that was fun. That was hella fun.
SPEAKER_02:But so yeah, so other than that, we just decompressing from man camp. Yeah, so you went straight back to work pretty much.
SPEAKER_01:Pretty much, straight back to work. So it's been a busy week for you. People have been clothed all week, which is really unusual and really bizarre.
SPEAKER_02:As typical as anything, the minute we come back, the weather changes, and it's been glorious, glorious, beautiful. Beautiful weather. Then again, we did have one day of a storm come through, remember? Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_01:The day that fucked up the trains, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Your first day back, yeah. Yep, yep. The day that fucks up the trains, Sydney cannot handle a couple of drops. But it was like dramatic. The storm came over and it just came over out of nowhere, didn't it? Yeah, it came out of nowhere.
SPEAKER_02:And it didn't last long, but it devastated devastated loads of places. There was trees down, houses were cut in half, people died from car accidents. Yeah, it was it was pretty horrific.
SPEAKER_01:Pretty horrific, and like I said, 15 minutes of fury, um, which I think is the name of my sex tape. Um it will be from now on. That blows in the wind. 15 minutes of fury. Um, speaking of blowing, we're gonna do another podcast later on this afternoon with um Sultan. We are, yes. He's gonna do 60 60 day nut challenge. Yeah, so that that basically corries on to the the no-nut challenge. No nut challenge, 60 day no nut challenge, yeah. Um, and he'll be finishing live apparently with us, apparently. So that'll be interesting. Um keep you up to date with that one. Yeah, there won't be any videos, so don't ask your dirty listeners, you dirty fuckers.
SPEAKER_02:So we've got a pretty busy morning or afternoon now, busy day. Um just doing podcasts. So we'll move on. So today's topic, we're talking about something that was highlighted to us during man camp. It wasn't sort of like it was an obvious visual thing that made us think about this. It was very visual, yeah. But what I'm saying is the concept of this podcast was brought about by our observations on man camp.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So what we're referring to is basically people that are either cut or uncut. Circumcision, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Circumcision in in today's world, where the history of it, I guess. A bit about like male circumcision. I'm not gonna go into female circumcision. But we didn't witness any of that anyway. No, no, we definitely didn't, but that's a whole nother topic that I'm definitely not an authority on. Nope. Um so I guess with with circumcision, let's start at home, Dave. You cut, uncut? I'm uncut. I have, and I'm pretty glad about that. Yeah. Um, and you're sort of like halfway, I think. Well, I'm technically circumcised, right? The doctor definitely took my hood, right? But I've po when I post, I've got a couple of photos up here and everywhere, there, and if I send photos to people, they go, I like a nice uncut cock, and I go, Well, actually, it's cut, right? Which surprises them.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:Um, because I've got full hood basically almost.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um, when I'm in a flaccid state.
SPEAKER_02:And I think a lot of guys that have had circumcision, from what we've spoken to, wish that they hadn't been circumcised. Yeah. So we're gonna be touching on that later on in the podcast anyway.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So historically, where does it come from? What's happened? How uh why? Why did this start? So circumcision from what we've led to believe during our research, um, began back in over 5,000 years ago in ancient Egypt of all places. It seems everything comes from Egypt. Everything comes from Egypt. Even us.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, yep.
SPEAKER_02:Um, it was later then adopted by the Judaism and Islam and various African cultures, Pacific Islands, and spirit for spiritual or rite of passage religion uh reasons, sorry. Reasons, yeah, yeah. Which is so it says basically um who commonly practices it. So, as we said, mainly Jewish, Muslims, and many African communities. The US um medicalized it in the 1800s as a hygiene practice, and basically, yeah, so Judaism, like up until today, 98% of Jewish people are circumcised.
SPEAKER_01:Like 98%, so that's still and obviously that's heavily seated in religion, yes, um, and beliefs.
SPEAKER_02:So, again, I mean, I'd love to know where it all originated. It says 5,000 years ago in ancient Egypt, but what made someone decide, okay, we're just gonna cut the hood of someone's honey?
SPEAKER_01:Imagine if you actually got all the excess skin.
SPEAKER_02:Oh god, all the gum.
SPEAKER_01:Oh shit, that'd be a lot of the world a few times, wouldn't it? A lot of chewing gum.
SPEAKER_02:Oh keep you busy for a while, wouldn't it? Definitely, definitely a lot of fan belt. But then would you want to eat circumcised foreskin?
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah. I'd just rather eat the cock. Yeah, same, same, same, same. I'm all about the cock, but yeah. But Africa surprised me, Dave, with the numbers as well. Because the numbers for Africa were really, really quite high. Um, so like it was like something like 58% still circumcised or something like that. It's still getting circumcised. Um, I'm just trying to find my numbers, they're gone somewhere. Um, but where where is that where's that map you sent me? You sent me a map here, and yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And it's quite quite dramatic, the actual um population. If you look at the map itself, you got it?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, got it. Okay, got it, got it. Yeah, so like Philippines, 92%. Only 27% of Australians are circumcised, which checks from what we visualized last week, because we did say there was a lot of uncut cock last week. Um sometimes I'm just trying to find it on my thing, that's all right. That's all right. There was a like Algeria, um, Mauritius, 99%, 98%.
SPEAKER_02:But it seems like the central part of the the whole of the planet is basically, you know, circumcised, and then the outer scapes, the bigger, you know, places like Europe is very low, Russia is very low, China is very low, which surprises me. Um, India is low, Australia is like, you know, it's in a low category still. Yeah, but then you've got the Philippines next to us, and all the Indonesian countries, again, which is high.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, Kiwi is 33% of Kiwi is Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_02:That surprises me because there's a lot of links between Europe and Britain, and Britain have got a very small percentage of people as part of Europe, and then Canada again. I mean, they're they're sort of like, you know, sort of like below average in terms of like 32%. But America, for some reason, has adopted this for hygiene purposes and it's never sort of like gone back on itself.
SPEAKER_01:Well, this is the thing is hygiene, hygiene purpose. So it's a bit of a myth. And a um-out, really. Well, it's a bit of a myth, really. Um, because basically, if you clean yourself, regardless of whether you're cut or uncut, if you don't clean yourself, sorry, um, you're gonna be a filthy pig, filthy pig, right? Um you're gonna build a few.
SPEAKER_02:When you're born with it, it's there for a reason.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. Well, okay, that this is a debate, isn't it? Yeah, you it's there for a reason, but um so are all your excess teeth, so are all those things, like so.
SPEAKER_02:I know, but what I'm saying is why would you be born with something and not need it, if that makes sense? Well, people have abnormalities with teeth, so I get that. Yeah, but I mean, if it's there to protect the hood of your your your your head of your penis, which is a sensitive part, then that's what it's there for.
SPEAKER_01:Well, again, in in some of the fact finding that I've um done, it basically is it it dispels that myth that it that it's less sensitive, so um, or more sensitive. So it actually says like in a fact of fiction, uh but where's my fact and fiction section here? It says like a um it says some sexual techniques feel different depending on the anatomy. So uncut more lubricate, more self-lubrication, smaller friction, smoother friction, cut, more direct stimulation, especially with lube. So it says neither is better, just different. So the thing is that I know I feel a ton of sensation on my cockhead and stuff like that, especially when you do that thing that you do with my mouth. Oh no, when I'm rubbing it with my hand, when you're rubbing it with your hand, yeah, but that's stunning from usual, yeah. But that's and the same, like so. The thing is that I guess the sensation is the same for all women, all men, right? Regardless of whether you've got the hood or the no hood. No, exactly.
SPEAKER_02:I suppose you can lose sensitivity due to overstimulating yourself and then basically damaging your I've been batting this thing for a long time.
SPEAKER_01:Fucking mate, I've been smashing that thing like crazy since I was like 11 years old.
SPEAKER_02:11? Are you sure? Yeah, I think it was earlier than that.
SPEAKER_01:Probably earlier than that. But I'll smash it myself. But um, but yeah, but yourself.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So you say before that other people were doing it, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Well no, no. When I started by myself, I was you fairly young, we know that. Um, but yeah, I um like so I I don't think you'll lose sensitivity. It's like saying you'll go blind from it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I mean, if you rub things on it like a grater, cheese grater, which people out, but you're gonna lose sensitivity. Yeah, people have done that, no doubt. There's some kings out there that can cause like permanent damage to your uh your hood and your head. And yeah, your head.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, well, yeah. My my recommendation would be don't try and do your own circumcision.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, fuck no.
SPEAKER_01:Or someone else's. Or someone else's, don't bite on it. Yeah, correct.
SPEAKER_02:But I've got some more medical and health perspectives here, man. Yeah, tell me. It says, Does circumcision reduce UTIs?
SPEAKER_01:Now, I wouldn't have thought it would have done, but obviously it does. It does like okay, and again, according to my fact finding, it does um reduce STIs and HIV. Now, I don't know why um that would be the case I well, I guess if less I don't understand, I don't understand.
SPEAKER_02:If less bodily fluid gets in, um yeah, but it's it it pulls back when you're having sex, anyway.
SPEAKER_01:Well, not for everyone. No, it's my ex had a really tight foreskin.
SPEAKER_02:Which is I think it's called palone uh I can't remember the word, it begins with P. Yeah, and it's a it's a condition where people don't pull back the foreskin at an early enough age. So it gets tight, yeah. Like perineus, I can't remember something like that.
SPEAKER_01:But my not not the recent ex, but the one before that, yeah, he had a really tight foreskin, and so literally, if he was soft, he could pull it back and clean it and all that kind of stuff, and he did. Very, he was very meticulous. But the moment he got even semi-hard, yeah, that skin weren't coming back. And if you tried to put like, you know, I when I jerk off, I move my whole hand and the whole skin comes back and forth, back and forth, back and forth with it, right? Which made me um yeah, which a lot of people do. Um, as we found out, there were very, very, very different techniques last week. Last week, yeah, this time last week. Um for for lots of people, but he couldn't do that. So if you actually tried to do that, you'd rip at his foreskin, right? And it'd actually cause pain. Oh, for sure. So he used a lot of lube when he jerked off and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_02:You didn't want to do anything. Yeah, yeah. But I've got I've I've also got another fact here which surprises me. It says um in newborn babies, when they have circumcisions, it reduces the UTI risk by 90%. Now, why would babies be subjected to UTIs?
SPEAKER_01:From peeing, from peeing and getting stuff like that. I thought UTI is unclean.
SPEAKER_02:But normally UTIs is caused by by poo going down into your own.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, well, I guess if you're a newborn and stuff like that, you're shooting in your nappy and it might go up to the body. Very true, very true. That makes sense, yeah. That makes true. Potentially, potentially.
SPEAKER_02:But then you're still. Can I get it up there anyway?
SPEAKER_01:Well it's still gonna go in the hole. Yeah, but I guess if it goes under the foreskin and mum and dad don't clean it properly, or like if that's if that foreskin's there as a barrier for it going in. I don't know, I think it's a cop-out basically. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:It's written And it says does STI does it reduce STIs in certain populations? And you've already said that in HIV. Um risk baby versus adult. So babies recover more quickly from circumcision with lower complicated rates.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I don't remember my pain. No.
SPEAKER_02:Well, but then you've got no choice.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, you know, that's the other thing that I I struggle with. I look, I much would rather have had mine done when I was born, yeah, or at six weeks or whatever it was, right? Um, then wait. Now I worked with a guy a long time ago. Now, this was like when I was 21, 22, and he was marrying a Muslim woman, so he was converting. Um, and he actually went and got his done as an adult. Now he needed, I know as a baby, I wasn't using my dick, right? But he as an adult, he needed to not touch it, basically, apart from going to the toilet, right? Um, he had to not touch it for six to eight weeks, right? He had to have it bandaged so that he wouldn't, if he did get an erection, it couldn't burst stitches, it couldn't do anything. So it was wrapped so tightly, apparently, yeah, right, that it actually caused him a lot of pain. Um, so again, and this was done as an adult because was that self-choice or was that? Yeah, that was by choice because he because he was marrying a Muslim woman, right, and he was going to be uh Muslim into the faith. Yeah, yeah, he loved her, he loved her, she was beautiful, she was amazing, she was a wonderful, wonderful human. So um, and I and he he was very lucky to like he was punching hard, yeah, right. So, like he should have done anything he wanted, he could have done to actually snag her because Jahan was just she was gorgeous, she was a beautiful, beautiful girl, and like I mean aesthetically, and just a wonderful, wonderful human. Um, so but yeah, so he um Andre, his name was that's like wow, my brain does work sometimes. There you go. I see brother. But yeah, and and he went and got it done, but uh like the pain, the suffering, woof. I was glad, maybe glad that I was done when I was younger.
SPEAKER_02:So we've got a few other um correlations to that as well. So he's got so why do some adults choose circumcision? Yeah. So we've got the type force came that it's called Primosis. Promises. Promosis? Promosis. Promosis, yeah, yeah. Yep, so that's what it's for. I need to begin with a P. There you go. Yeah. Um recurring infections, I get that. Um Religious conversion, religious conversion, which I just found it. Yeah. Aesthetic preference. Yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:So so I guess look, and I've had lots of people tell me I've got a good looking dick, right? Quite a lot, right? And it is, like I said, it's uncut, right? It's a pretty dick. You've taken up pictures of it. I do. It's got its own podcast. I wish it could have been. It does have only fans. We know how that failed. It's still got there. It's still up there. It just um just a loads people for it. No, if I put a price tag on it, it'll go back to the drawer again. Um, but yeah, um, so I guess look, some some dicks, like I don't think it's aesthetically pleasing. Like, I don't care. Like I love a nice foreskin. Like, yeah, okay, last night, oh, last night when I went to the bathroom, right? In Spice Alley. Yes. So there was one guy that was standing beside me, and he was uncut, right? And he had nice uncut cock, right? Nice little hood on him and all that kind of stuff. It was just your average size, right? But then about an hour later, when we're sitting there, this fucking hunk of a um tattooed, sort of bikey looking, hot um, look like some kind of man Arab kind of looking guy, walked into the toilet and I thought, well, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna come here and look. I don't need to go, but I'm gonna go not a little bit. No, I kind of did. I was kind of at that stage where I needed to go again. Um, but I went and had a look, and he was uncut, but he was a big, uncut. No, big cut, sorry. He was cut. He was cut and he was a big fat-headed, fat cocked, long cocked Arab, right? And I went, that's a good looking dick, and I would love to have been able to compliment him on it, but he was heavily tattooed and looked like if I had a complimented on it, I would have been probably in a hospital now.
SPEAKER_02:You might have been in the urinal with him.
SPEAKER_01:I could have fucking got into cubicle and fucking boy, but maybe yeah, no, I don't want I'm not into piss, but yeah, but yeah, so so aesthetics, I like the look of both of them personally. Um, is there any preference for you or do you like?
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I I I know I like uncircumcised. Yep, but then that said, there's some beautiful people out there. And I I like I tend to go with a person, the looks and the personality over their cock look, if that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, obviously, I like to look at a penis, and I think a flaccid penis is great if it's big. Yeah, it doesn't have to be a grower, but a nice uncock, uncut. Yeah, flaccid penis. To me, it's nice. There is, but then you know, sometimes you can get one that is just like if you cock.
SPEAKER_01:If you get a big uncut cock that's got that extra skin on it as well, you can do some docking. It just looks fucking amazing. You sit there and go, holy fuck. Like, I I like like a couple of the guys at camp, obviously. Like my favourite dick, a camp.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that was that's a big dick. Circumcised. That's that's cut, and you'd have to really, because the head on that was fucking annoying. It was big, it was big. That's the other thing as well. If you've got a massive cock head and you know it's gonna be painful to put it back, or you know that you're not gonna be able to get it clean properly because the skin won't come back free.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:I mean it's from aesthetics, I yeah, I like the look of them, yeah. But again, it's not relevant to the sex side of things.
SPEAKER_01:And then I guess the final thing this is sexual comfort reasons.
SPEAKER_02:Now I don't quite understand what that is referring to myself.
SPEAKER_01:No, because I've never been uncomfortable. Like I've been uncomfortable by the size of a dick. Like for sure. If the size of a dick's too big, but I have but I guess um I've never been uncomfortable because of the skin. No. Unless that skin's gonna add an extra fucking.
SPEAKER_02:But have you have you ever been like in a hookup situation or you've gone somewhere and someone has checked your cock, and then if you are circumcised, it's fine. But if you're uncircumcised, they pull your skin back, and then depending on what they find, is depending whether they integrate with you. No, I've had that because obviously I'm clean anyway, and I I agree, I yeah, I I I make sure that gets washed even after I go for a wee, I wash my food. You do. I've seen you in the sink quite often. And I think it's just for me at the club. Yeah, I just no, no, I don't get it in these sort of environments.
SPEAKER_01:But if I get the opportunity after I've been for a wee, then I'll wash it because but this is a and and and I think okay, so one of my things that I think is gross, but I get it, is the dabber, right? I don't do that. So, but but you see lots of guys at at urinals that take the little paper to the urinal and it's written a few. And then like I can throw it in and block it up thing as well. So it's it's like, and that's usually, yeah, I want to say usually that's from guys with si with with skin. But that's usually uh uncircumcised guys. Or they just drip a lot. Or they just dribble out because they can't know they can't get those few extra drops out. Yeah, so they just take the the little bit of the.
SPEAKER_02:And it is frustrating, that's the only thing it is frustrating when you do yeah, the dribble, you know, and you can't control that because you can shake it and shake it and shake it, and then the minute the hood goes back over, it starts you know gathering again. Fucking pouring out again.
SPEAKER_01:It's like a fucking endless fountain.
SPEAKER_02:Endless fountain of fucking have you noticed well when guys with hoods they shake at the urine goes everywhere.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's fucking like a fucking Hey, get that away from me. Fucking I'll stand back. Or stand back not too far that I can't see though.
SPEAKER_02:Anyway, so that that covers that side of it. So moving on, um, you got the ethical and consensual debate answers. Now, this is a very interesting conversation.
SPEAKER_01:So it it is infant circumcision ethical.
SPEAKER_02:So look, from what we read, I get the UTIs and stuff, I get it, but I don't. I don't think anybody should have that right to choice taken away from it for any reason whatsoever.
SPEAKER_01:So if my dad as a man, as a young boy, if my dad's got a cut cock, right? I think it'd be an odd question, and it'd be almost strange to not be cut because you sit there and go, Well, mine looks different than my dad's. Why is my dick different than my dad's? Yeah, right. Because like if if you look at like I mean, and my dad left fairly early, so I wouldn't even know what my dad's dick looked like, right? Um, but and I'm not about to ask him, Can you send me a dick, big dad? I just want to see if we're checking out and got the same same package happening. Um, but like the thing is that it would be odd if you're walking around the house because it's and your body's not a little bit.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, look, I I see my parents all the time naked when they were younger. Yeah, but I never hit myself when my son was growing up either.
SPEAKER_01:No, but you guys are all the same. Exactly. You're all uncut. Yeah, exactly. Whereas if you were uncut, then he was cut, or vice versa. You were cut because of your generation, technically, and then he was uncut, he potentially look and go, why is mine different? So I guess I I think it's a traditional thing, like obviously we know it's religious, we know it's sort of um all those other reasons that we mentioned previously, yeah, but I don't think it's unethical.
SPEAKER_02:But what I'm saying is if there is no background to your choices, i.e. religion or ethical or cultural, and you just decide, okay, I'm gonna get my because at four, what's the better word I'm gonna use? Back in the day when it was like um popular, it was um tradition, not traditional, it was like, you know, what's the word I'm looking for? You know, when something's like a trend. Trend trend.
SPEAKER_01:When something's on trend. Well, I don't know. I mean people do follow the trend. You know, I mean I don't think circumcision's ever been a trend thing. Oh, I don't know. I think so. I don't think it's a trend thing. Well back in the day, so much. No, it because it's just like historically it's done because of, right? Like I said, we said religion, um, what what the belief system is around cleanliness and stuff like that, right? I think it's just from father to father to father to father to son, father to son, father to son, past time.
SPEAKER_02:Is there is no correlation to ethical as well. Where did it stem from? Someone came up with the idea, like, well, that's a good idea. It was cut it's kind of and someone said my sons look better than yours, so I'm gonna get mine done too.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I said we'll have to go back 5,000 years to find that out. But yeah, but I think that from an ethical standpoint of view in today's world, I don't think you should have to wait for the child to come up and ask permission for it.
SPEAKER_02:I think if you So this is where this goes into where it says about um body autonomy, where the key tension was a parental choice versus the child's right. And I think the way we're moving forward in society, especially with the generations that are coming up, it would be I think it would be assault on that child, technically. Yeah, if there was no other reason for it other than religion or cultural or what has gone past, if you were to have like I'm I'm this is this is my point, okay, whether it's right or wrong, and this is what we do the podcast for, it's no what we choose is just our own interpretation and stuff, yeah. Correct, correct. So in my mind, I truly believe that. I believe it is an assault on a child's right, and I do, and it should be up to them a choice in their own time in life, but to choose whether they go down that option or not. Because I've spoken to so many people that say, I wish I didn't have it done, and they they we we saw that programme where that guy was sobbing because he didn't have the right, he was taking away the right of having a but this is also okay, so if we're gonna go down that path, right?
SPEAKER_01:Parents are the guardians of a children that they've that they've had, right? So because they children couldn't be here without the parents, right? Yeah, I get that. So there's a lot of debate around, okay, if if it is if we're talking circumcision, right, and the child wishes they had the right to make that decision, right? Children can't make decisions at up and up a until a certain point, right? So if the parents were to say, well, we're gonna hold everything back, let's not just go one thing, let's go everything, right? We're gonna hold everything back until the child's of an age where it can make a decision, right? So therefore, all of a sudden the child doesn't go to school, the child doesn't get educated, the child doesn't get to eat whatever, it doesn't get to make to get any decisions made for it by the parent, right? Because the parents were then fearing that there'll be repercussions in the future. So all of a sudden you have an uneducated, unfedge. Well, this is where life is going now, unlike welcome to the world now, mate.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but yeah, and that's how I think it's why chastising children going back. I know we're getting off topics like here, but you know, discipline. When we were at school, we respected our elders, we were disciplined, we were we were we, you know, we were putting attention and we were dealt with and we respected that. Yeah, because society's got all sold. Yes, but what I'm saying is, as a child, you should be disciplined as well. So what I'm saying here is you still have a right. I mean, the way things have gone now, where the the whole cycle of you losing that control over a child's rights, then therefore that should be incorporated in it too. You shouldn't be allowed to do certain things with a child and have the rights there, and then do and then be governed by the law, you know, to make other choices.
SPEAKER_01:So you're right. So you're you're you're saying that parents should make the decisions for their children.
SPEAKER_02:Partly, yes, partly, for discipline-wise and for educational and for moving forward. But you can't do it. But when it comes to bodily it's it's a piece of skin. Yeah, it's like having it's like kids having the earrings and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_01:It's a piece of skin, fundamentally, and and there has been science proven, right, um, and that it doesn't make a difference to the sensation, to the health, I get it, to the any of that sort of stuff. So it is uh fundamentally aesthetics.
SPEAKER_02:But my my my my my true belief on it is it should be a child's right to have that part done.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but okay, so if just say this child doesn't get so parents don't make the choice, right? And child's got the the skin, right? Yeah, it grows up and it wishes it was circumcised, and they got the choice to change it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but then it's a six-week, eight week. But then that's fine because it's their choice. Well, they don't have to go through that, they haven't made that choice.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, see, I'm very happy to be circumcised, right? I'm happy my parents did it, happy it's not a decision I had to make later in life, right? Because I would not want that kind of trauma of the colour.
SPEAKER_02:But it's the same with anything, you have an operation, you're gonna have a tattoo that takes weeks to heal, right? That's your choice to have that done. But if a if a parent was to say you're gonna be tattooed tomorrow, I'm gonna choose a tattoo for you, which some tribes do, yes, and some tribes do that, you know. I mean, you've got no choice, or some tribes do female circumcision, and it's horrific. Let's not go there because that that is horrific. Exactly. But what I'm saying is it's disfigure it, you you are technically disfiguring that child, yeah, regardless. You know, you're taking them away. I get your I get your argument to it. Again, I mean, that's just my point. I I I understand we're alert.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly right. And that's and that's the beauty of this, and as I said, like like I said, but look, we all know that my argument is right. No, some some people will agree with you, some people will agree with me. Absolutely, and that's what the society is about. So, I mean, yeah, drop it, drop us a note.
SPEAKER_02:But leg legal status-wise, it is legal in every nearly everyone. It is legal, so therefore I mean so um, yeah. So going on to social, um, emotional, and sexual perspective, right? Um, does it have an effect on the body image?
SPEAKER_01:Well, um some men feel self-conscious, being the odd one out, yeah, I guess. Um, and most are comfortably once sexually active. Okay. Right. So again, depending on so in Australia, yep, right, where Australia. Australia, right, where only 27% of men are circumcised.
SPEAKER_02:That's coming down, which we'll go through this later on, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yep. Um, right. Standing at a urinal, if you look sideways. Go on. That's all right. You're taking a piss. That's exactly where you do it too. Um, yeah. Um, so if if you're standing at a urinal and you look sideways and you go, oh, he's got a hood, he's got a hood, he's got a hood, he's got a hood, I've got none. As you as a young boy, right, that could be a bit confronting.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_01:I get that, yeah. You would feel like potentially the odd one out, right? Whereas um in countries, like I said, in in um Jewish countries, right? Or African countries or African countries where everyone's circumcised, yeah, it wouldn't feel odd because everyone looks similar. Yeah, right. And it's the same, like I said, the father-son looking the same, right? So you wouldn't feel like that odd one out. So body image, it potentially could have the the means to affect body image. Um, although, like I said, once people are sexually active, because I know my girls, right? Some love skin, right? Some love, some won't touch a dick if it's not cut. Yeah, all right. They go, no, no, no. They have a very hard, fast belief that it's unclean if you haven't got your circumcision happened. And again, that's they're missing out on some nice cock then, because I fucking I try it all. I like I like both. I I do like a bit of a bit of chew at the end, um, and uh I like something to put my tongue into and um yeah and you can do things like docking and stuff like that. Yeah, but I know with you when you pre-come, it fucking builds up in there, I know, right? And it's fucking slippery as fucking, it's so fucking hot. Um, but yeah, um but yeah, so the gay community's attitudes, um opinions vary there. Some have preferences, most don't care once the chemistry is right.
SPEAKER_02:And that's exactly what I said. I mean, for me, I do like a look of an uncut cock and sometimes a feel of it, but it's about the person, it's about the people that we associate with, it's about the person that's attached to the sex as well. If they can perform great sex or you're having fun, yeah, then why bother you think it's a cock.
SPEAKER_01:Clay's unclay's cut as well, isn't he? Yeah. He's cut, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he's fucking he's good with the D. He's very good at it. And the old M was uncut.
SPEAKER_02:He was uncut. Uncut, yeah, big thick. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was he was uh very good at it as well. He's um Middle Eastern, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so like I said, sometimes it's not all about religion or anything, it's about your own parents' choices as well. Yeah, you know what I mean. So that's good in that regard. So um, so yeah, in terms of like um sexual function, yeah. So the overall sexual satisfaction is pretty much the same, which it is the same. You think about the who gets pulled back and you're still getting that sensation of the head.
SPEAKER_01:Or even if it does, you work out your techniques, basically. Exactly. And it all feels fun. As long as there's lubrication involved and he's not dry. Whether it's your mouth or whether it's actual lube.
SPEAKER_02:Well, anything, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Or any any kind of lubrication.
SPEAKER_02:And do partners care? No. No, no. It's like you've chosen that person for them being them, not about their dick as such.
SPEAKER_01:But like I said, there are people that sit there and they go, I will very much. I'm only gonna suck uncut, or I'm only gonna suck cut. Or I'm gonna only suck you or like fuck you if you're above this size or below this size and all that kind of stuff. So but do you think that porn influences the oh yes, yes. So you're very now very seldomly do you see an uncut chicken porn. You do, that's right.
SPEAKER_02:Like it's just not a done thing for some people. Maybe back in the 80s it was because it was fashionable and it was more mainstream, especially because a lot of Americans were circumcised and a lot of porn came from America.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but you don't even even while I'm scrolling through Twitter, but you'll have people that are dedicated to uncut, obviously. Oh, for sure. But there is the majority of people in porn and in that because they feel I feel like they've all got cut cocks. They have got cut cocks, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02:That's right. Yeah, so that's um and again, maybe it was a hygiene thing back in the day as well, you know. I mean, but even even current day, because I'm watching current people, I don't know, I think it's a mixture. I think it's a mixture. Depends on porn you're searching, Matt. After this, I'll have to go down the hole and have a lot of see you for the rest of the day. Twitter Twitter will be on and Matt will be in his room, you know. I'll be seeing podcasting. Um so what about the um humorous relatable answers to who would faint watching circumcised video? I think I wouldn't find it comfortable watching it. Well because you think you feel the pain of that person having to go through that. I'd be crossing my legs, that's for sure. Well, I have seen it done. I've seen TV shows showing it happen, and I'm like, fuck, that's not what I would have done.
SPEAKER_01:I we were watching Unless there's a reason for it. We were watching a spot of embarrassing bodies earlier this morning. Yeah, right, and there was a guy with a really short cock that was having it lengthened so that he could basically. He was a big boy, he was a big boy, so big, large, chubby, yeah. It was fatty, yeah. Right. Um so the thing is he didn't have much dick to begin with, and then because of all the excesses. He had a big, big ball, huge balls, huge balls, so it was like literally going in on itself. It was it was in on itself, so he was having it extended out a little bit so it at least could sort of get an edge.
SPEAKER_02:But the the surgery he had to go through to have that done was.
SPEAKER_01:He had like half of his fucking legs cut off pretty much.
SPEAKER_02:Legs?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. I think it's more of his belly, otherwise. Yeah, it was all his belly in the pubic region and all that kind of stuff. He stretched all out and did all that kind of stuff. Look, it worked, but that was good for him. But I wasn't grossed out by that, so but I don't think I would be grossed out by a surgery. But if you I don't know, I wouldn't pass out. No, but then if if you watch it being done in the back alley somewhere. Oh yeah, obviously. If I just took my knife out of the backyard and sort of started drawing them myself, I'd probably pass out while I was doing them, but yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Um so yeah, so some of the nicknames. Like I said, I mean, it's one of those things. I mean, you it's interesting to see it happen, but yeah, it does give you a little bit of a twinge inside your head, thinking, fuck, I don't want to do that.
SPEAKER_01:So it says some of the nicknames here, Dave's cut, because helmet, uncut, turtleneck, both are beautiful. Beautiful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some wild myths from childhood. It makes you grow bigger. See, get that's bullshit. Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't, because I've seen some big cut and big uncut.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So, but I don't think there's any restrictions on that. So, um stops puberty hair? Pubic hair?
SPEAKER_02:I don't get that.
SPEAKER_01:It does not, it does not stop pubic hair. Not at all, not at all. Yeah, if you pull it too far, it falls off. This is again, like these are all the fables out there. They're all fabulous, obviously. Oh, they're false. Yeah. Oh god.
SPEAKER_02:So, what's your first reaction of an uncooked cock, man?
SPEAKER_01:Um, can I taste that? Oh no. Can I hold it? Can I hold it? Well, it's because it was different than mine, right? Yeah, it was very, oh, what do I do with it? Like, what do I do with it? Because again, um, a lot of people of my generation in Australia are all cut, right? So I don't think that I would have seen lots of uncut cock and gone, and because of mine, the way it presents itself, right? It presents itself as an uncut cock if we're just standing in a locker room where we're soft, we're all soft. So people wouldn't think, oh, he's uncut straight away. My belly and doesn't sort of protrude or anything like that. No.
SPEAKER_02:Um, so and sometimes you can get people that are genuinely uncut, and it doesn't always cover the head of the penis anyway.
SPEAKER_01:No, correct.
SPEAKER_02:So you know you've always got the little bit hanging out which is not covered because your foreskin isn't big enough to cover it. Yeah, correct. So again, I mean it's just like horses with horses, isn't it?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so so I don't I don't know what my first reaction was. I don't know what my last reaction was. I was like, yeah, let me try it. Come in your face. And I was like, fucking cool to both. The last two that I've seen yesterday were um, like I said, uh the urinal, and and I would have happily chomped on both of them. Um they would have chomped on you with a hammer. Yeah, second the second one was probably um I wouldn't have taken him because he was a fucking big boy, but um, but yeah, but definitely the other one I would have had a go at writing.
SPEAKER_02:Moving on to our own communities, yeah. LGBT comes in. LGBT community, yeah. So angles and answers, okay. Do gay men prefer one?
SPEAKER_01:Data. Well, well, I don't know. I don't know why. I I don't uh data shows preferences are evenly split.
SPEAKER_02:Most don't actually mind. And again, this is what I was saying. I don't think men, gay men in particular, care what a cock is, circumcised or uncircumcised, as long as they're getting it either way, you know what I mean? And whether the person that connects with them is making it work for them. Yeah, correct. We we we're not we're not. I just want a dick that knows how to use it. We're not pretentious in that way. I mean, there's pretentiousness in in the communities, I get that. But what I'm saying is comparable to women and men, gay men, we don't give a fuck. We we don't care whether it's circumcised or uncircumcised, we're still gonna stick it in our mouth for a power, wherever we want to put anywhere. Yep. And you know, for us it's a cock, you know. Yep, a nice, sexy, fat cock. Um we've we've probably answered this next question, which is does porn create exercises. Expectations, yes, it does.
SPEAKER_01:It definitely makes a lot of people believe that cut is the default when it's when it isn't global.
SPEAKER_02:And I don't think coming out later makes any difference either to an anime uh you know, and I can't say the word now, anatomy. There you go. Yeah, yeah, I don't think so. I mean, like you said, some men do feel insecure, I suppose, um, if they were only cut or uncoat, but again, it depends on their circles of people they're hanging out with, I suppose.
SPEAKER_01:So this one's I don't I don't even know if I understand this fully questioned. Is foreskin part of the queer body diversity? It says absolutely the community increasingly promotes body positivity and normalizing all anatomy. So again, I suppose it's just saying that you know you're you're the same anyway, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Well, except you addictive. But again, I mean that's a bit of a random sort of like giving question. Chat GPT gives strangers sometimes. That's right. But yeah, there's a picture of a bar of soap here, mate. Yeah, there it is. You took out with you last night.
SPEAKER_01:I took with us last night, I took three actually, didn't I? Four because I gave you one. Well, yeah, you gave me my own one from the actual uh from my shower, so I wasn't gonna I couldn't find where you had the other one. I wasn't gonna take that out and start dropping that was fun. Um so is one cleaner than the other? Hygiene depends on washing, not anatomy. Uncut men need to retract and clean regularly. They do, and I think most people do anyway. Everyone needs to clean their dick.
SPEAKER_02:Well, when you're in the shower, you fucking you just like most of people are fucking battened off anyway.
SPEAKER_01:But I have occasionally come across a dick. Oh look, I've come across that like filthy. Filthy and cheesy, and I think that ain't going nowhere near. Normally you can smell it before you see it. You can smell it before you smoke. Because it's fucking rank. It's rank, and you sit there and you think, how can you not smell that, right? And I know cheesy dick. Excuse me. There are some people that are attracted to that cheesy dick sort of vibe. Um, I'm definitely not one of them. Um I I want cleaning.
SPEAKER_02:Some people do like I don't get it. Yeah, that's it again.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, some people really do.
SPEAKER_02:So I want to say a fetish of some sort. A fetish isolation, a fetish, yeah, definitely, definitely. I'd rather have my cheese on my bread and butter, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, from a cow. Um, so yeah, um, and I guess some of the foreskin issues are so you've got the femoscious tightness around the head, infections, treatable, and irritations from harsh soaps.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and I'm telling you, skin conditions, yeah, exactly. And I I sometimes I do get that. I do get a little bit of like um itchiness, even though I know it's clean, but sometimes it can be a little bit itchy, you know. I mean, I think it all depends on what soap you've used or you know how harsh you've literally scrubbed it in the fucking shower. Yeah, yeah. Um routine uncut, quick and easy under the hood. I don't get that, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so it's quick to clean.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but it's even easier when you haven't got a hood, I suppose.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, well that's what I'm saying, easier um to wash daily and may need more lube during season.
SPEAKER_02:But it doesn't mean it doesn't take any more time, I suppose.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. What not to use? Here's a handy list. Right? Body scrub. Okay, don't use that on your skin, on your hunt, on your cock, right? Um use aprire. I don't know. I'm gonna use Apri. You remember that apricot scrub that you used to get in the 80s, 90s? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm not gonna use that on my dick. No, right? Never. Even cut or yeah, it says um hand sanitizer. It says in brackets, yes, somebody has tried. Why would you sanitize your dick with hand sanitizer? It's alcohol.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:It will burn it, it will dry it up. Same goes with perfume. Perfume soaps, yeah, no, right. Um, and tea tree oil. Absolutely. Why don't you just get eucalyptus or fucking what's that RS goo remover?
SPEAKER_02:Have you ever have you have you ever cut up a chili or handled a chili and then touch a knob?
SPEAKER_01:Then accidentally touch a knob? Oh, I don't eat chilies. I have. But yeah, I don't eat chilies and nothing.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, touch my eyes is even fucking worse.
SPEAKER_01:But fucking yeah, that's stupid, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02:I know, but I mean what I'm saying is, you know, could you imagine someone just having disliked you and then come up with a fucking chili and rubber?
SPEAKER_01:DP. You see in the movies all the time they give you the DP. Only balls.
SPEAKER_02:What did we what did I put on uh on on cam? What would we use? Oh sunscreen. Sunscreen. Because I'd I'd actually fucking um shaved my my balls and all this lot. You covered me in sun sunscreen and then my whole ball sack just started fucking burning, burning like fucking there's no.
SPEAKER_01:So we got the baby wipes out and we gave me a rub down and then that just started sucking me off now, didn't you? No, it did not. No, it did not. Yeah, no, later on. Earlier I did, but it's a different story, yeah. Yeah, um, but yeah, so yeah, some global trends.
SPEAKER_02:So this is now going on to the factual side of things now, moving on to our statistics. Yeah, no, but I'd say statistic-wise, stats. So circumcision rates globally, it says 38% of men worldwide.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, higher in Middle East and lower in Europe.
SPEAKER_02:Well, that's significantly, as we show later on, that's significantly lower than it used to be. It used to be like three-quarters of the panic was like circumcised, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_01:Yep. Are rates declining? Yes, in Australia, the UK, and most Western countries.
SPEAKER_02:See, most of Europe, as far as I when I was even growing up in the 80s, I mean, most of my friends didn't have circumcised penises. Yeah, they were all uncircumcised.
SPEAKER_01:And I guess because we're a multinational country here, right? As more and more people are coming into our country, and I guess as the debate for um children making their own decisions and stuff like that, right, happen, there will be a decline, a natural decline because people will sit there and it'll they'll go I'll let my baby have its own choice when it's where I again I say with the trends moving forward, it will be a trend to have either a cut or uncut cock.
SPEAKER_02:It will happen.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I'm ahead of the trend there. Well, you go I'm I'm in in between. Um in the sheets normally, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Um when I'm in the sheets, I'm hard as a rock, so you can definitely tell and cut things.
SPEAKER_02:And the reason why these are declining are mainly medical guidance, there's no longer any pressure for people to have that circumcision now. Yeah, because they're proving that you know your dick isn't gonna fall off, it's not gonna be unclean, it's not gonna pass on HIV, etc. etc. So they're dispelling all those myths.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and it says our younger parents choosing against it. Yes, most Australian parents now skip it altogether.
SPEAKER_02:So yeah, and you think about it back in the 80s and earlier, um, between the 50s and 80s, like I think 78, 80 percent of Australians were in that position where they were being circumcised. Yep. Whereas now I think it's about 27%. So there's a huge decline. Yeah, and again, people aren't unhappy with it. It's just a you know, it's just a phase that's happened and it's now yeah, exactly. But what I'm saying is it's good to see that that people are just like saying, Okay, if I have it done later on, I have it done later on. If I choose to have it done, it's my choice. Yeah, so that goes back to my argument, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so I think um if we skip that next one, right? Yep. We go down here and big debate questions does it matter? For most people, no, both of it works perfectly. I think we already asked, does it improve sex?
SPEAKER_02:Um well it does, depending on who you're with and what they're doing with it. I mean it doesn't make sex any better, it just makes the person no exactly changes the mechanics slightly. Yeah, um give them. Well, like you said, I mean it could add extra inch. Yeah, it could add an extra inch. No, but it could add, you know, in our situation where you can have multiple people, if you're gonna dock with somebody, you got someone that needs a force in to do that, you know what I mean? Yeah. Unless you've got one of those sheaths that you fucking both use.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, or if you're getting fucked and there's that little extra bit of skin on the end that tickles right now.
SPEAKER_02:Talking about being fucked, I've seen when the the the actual head, the skin gets cut, and they've got to have an emergency uh um circumcision. I can't think what it's called. Emergency circumcision. Yeah, but what I'm saying is when they penetrate someone, women and men, it's like it it breaks. The the bandeau's just called fucking painful, is what it's like. Absolutely. And there's a lot of blood that comes out as well from it. Yeah, no shit. You're ripping your skin apart. Exactly, but that that would be horrific as well.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and that's why if that person had the circumcision when they were born, they'd never have that issue. So they could have thought of that trim for a lot of it. I mean I I haven't experienced that, thankfully. Do gay men judge each other online? Yeah, some do online, some don't care. Well, they judge each other if you'll stop. We judge each other like crazy. Yep. Um, so yeah, um so pretty much we've covered everything, I reckon, in terms of like from what we've like researched. Science answers, so the science answers here, the nerdy science answers. You've lost me now, I've lost where you are. And go back on the page. No, scroll down. No, I've got nothing more. 11? No, did I not? Okay, all right. Well then you're just gonna have to participate. Okay, you have to participate. Um what does the foreskin do? Protects the head, provides lubrication, contributes to sensitivity. It does, absolutely. They can vouch for that 100%. Um, nerd endings, right? Both cut and uncut have thousands of thousands. Circumcision changes sensitivity areas, but overall pleasure stays the same. So, again, so it's basically it's saying that you're still gonna get sensitized. Absolutely. Basically, it's gonna be in different areas and all that kind of stuff. So um I don't know what that word is. So I'm just gonna skip that, right? Can you mimic benefits without surgery? Yes, from fistmososis condoms for STIs, reduction, hygiene for cleanliness. I don't know. So, yeah, I don't know. Um, so yeah, yeah. So that's pretty much all I've got on circumcision.
SPEAKER_02:Awesome. So, like I said, it's preference, it's choice, and I think this day and age it is up to individuals, yeah, uh, rather than having that force upon you, like I said. But again, that's just my take on it. Yeah, and I respect anybody else as well. And I I do respect people's religion and cultural and ethical backgrounds. I get it, you know. I'm not there to sort of like question on that, yeah. But um, but from my take on it, you know, moving forward, I think you know, society is definitely moving in the better direction where people can make their own choices.
SPEAKER_01:So I'm gonna close it out with a couple of myths here. Okay, come on. Right, because they're funny, right? There's a wild myth that foreskins fall off if you pull it too far. Well, they can if you oh well they can break, can't they?
SPEAKER_02:No, well they can, they can break.
SPEAKER_01:Circumcision makes you taller. I'd love that to happen. No, you cut off an inch and you grow taller. I mean, you know, seeing you can grow another one if you masturbate too much. That'd be handy, wouldn't it? That'd be cool. And here you go. This this is one from Miami. Foreskin is the croc shoe of the penis. Oh, fuck yeah. Right. Comfortable, practical, hated by some, loved by others, and secretly everyone has tried it. So that's true. What am I wearing right now, Dave? You are actually crocs, but only in the house. We all know those rules. But yeah, and I'm also not wearing, I am wearing my circle my are you wearing underwear? I'm wearing my foreskin, yeah. I'm wearing underwear. Yeah, yeah. Good job you wear last night. Good job I was last night, definitely. Ah, yeah, my pants ripped open last night too. Bought them yesterday. They ripped open. It's fucking cracky. Um, but yeah, so that's us on foreskins and circumcision. And yeah, we're going to now go into this.
SPEAKER_00:They're grumpy, they're gay, they've got something to say. From traffic cues to crook cues, they'll pitch it all the way. Gay, my max my peeps!
SPEAKER_01:Uh Dave, come on, you cranky outprick. What are you doing this week?
SPEAKER_02:Well, I'm obviously I've just sort of like pushed the car things away at the moment. So I'm still getting cranky when I see them. Yeah, you still get you still yell when people are noisy. That's never gonna change. Exactly. Yeah, uh, but I'm gonna go to cash point machines. What pisses me off is basically when you pay to have your money put into a bank, yeah, and then they provide you with machines to use to retract that money, and then you get charged for them. Oh, you mean your own money, yeah. Absolutely. You want access to it, yeah. Yeah, it's the same with tap and go, you know. I mean, sometimes you tap and they charge you a surcharge. Yeah. I think what the fuck's all that about? The bank should be providing those machines for free, and you know, you're doing them a fucking justice by putting your money in their bank so they can then use it to fucking fund everybody else.
SPEAKER_01:Correct. So I'm I would be a fan of everyone pull money out, have it at home. Yep. Um, like fuck the banks, fuck everyone, absolutely, and then see who when they can start begging for us to then put the money back in the banks, because without our money, they've got no money to lend anyone, no money to do anything. The economy will come to a fucking grinding halt, right? And it'll be their fault because they're making so much profit. Billions and billions of profit. They're never happy with it. And it's the thing, like, like I don't get like so. I'll go to the ATM at the club if we're at the club, right? Because again, I'm not one that can be fucked walking a mile to save a dive. Right. But then I sit there and I go,$2.50 or$3.25 to withdraw my own money. So then what I do is I then get more inclined to sit there and go, well, I'm taking$500 out instead, because and then that sits in my wallet, but then it doesn't because we know I have no control. The club likes it. The club loves it, right? But because I sit there and I think, well, I'm not taking$100 out and getting charged$3.25. It's just stupid. Like it's doesn't the math doesn't make sense. So I call extra out and then all of a sudden fucking spent that extra because I go, oh, that was all in my wallet until a minute ago. Maybe it's all a big plan. That is a plan, it's a conspiracy. And maybe the banks own the club's. It's a conspiracy. So we say, fuck you, banks. Fuck you, banks. Fuck you, banks. And now I've just written, oh, this grinded my gears yesterday. Alright, so we just say before we went out and finished work, and Dave wanted a new shirt. So we went to TK Maxx, right? One of Dave's favourite places. You love it too. I love it too. I love it too. And they have some great bargains and some great products. Um shorts. Apart from the shorts that ripped in the ass after like literally about three hours? No, not even. Yeah, it would have been three hours. Maybe you sat down on food for sure. Maybe it was having food. Yeah, yeah. It was only when I started loading.
SPEAKER_02:Maybe it happened after you came up with the Urinals. Oh, because my reverse at the front. No, maybe that got the house opened up at the back. Maybe you got penetrated from the back. Maybe that's why he looked at me funny. Maybe he was just subconsciously sitting there dreaming.
SPEAKER_01:Anyway, all right. So I went to try on these shorts, right? Now, I consequently I ended up coming back and getting a bigger size because those ones were rather snug, right? So even the bigger size ones, maybe the smaller ones wouldn't have fucking torn. Um, but I went into change rooms and there was a queue of three people in front of me, right? Four change rooms. So I'm thinking, okay, this is gonna be a couple of minutes, we'll be in and out. And then one guy comes out of the end change rooms. There's another guy standing out there waiting for him to like to show him what he's got on, right? But he proceeded to sit there and basically do a fucking catwalk, turn around, like you can see there's people waiting, right? Then he went back in, tried on another shirt, like it's a shirt, right? Like it's like it's a fucking shirt. Try your shirt on outside the change room, number one, right? It nobody gives a fuck about your skinny little tits, right? Um, but like they took forever, right? Was he part of the community? Uh he was. Okay. Right, which really I thought to myself, fucking princess, like seriously. Um, but it was just like piss me off, right? Um, well, like, and it really annoyed me because I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, I just want to try these shorts on quickly, so I know whether I need to go up a size or not, right? Um, because I do like my shorts fitted. We all know that. Well, we all know I like them nice and snug and fitted, right? Um, but it pissed me off because I'm sitting there thinking, just hurry the fuck up. And then the next person comes out, and even the people that were in line, right? Like, because those guys were still in there, I think, even to the point where after I fucking finished my change on. Um, but the person at the front of the line, somebody came out and then he went in, but then you could hear him on the phone, and I'm sitting there going, get off your fucking phone, right? You're just here to change, to try something on and get off. And again, he took forever as well. And I'm sitting there thinking, or is it I don't know, it does nobody have social decency anymore? Like it just it like so fucking change rooms are for trying on clothes really quickly, seeing if they fit, if they feel right, get out, fucking fuck off out the way, and put them back on the racks as well. There you go. Yeah, that's a fucking second one. Put them back on the racks where you found them. The Paul Shop Assistant hasn't got too much, it's already got lots to do. But yeah, sorry, how are you? Go, go, Dave. What's your number two? Cranky who's a cranky prick now, right?
SPEAKER_02:Okay, this is gonna be another one that you're gonna go off on. Yep. So we prior to Man Camp, we went to see Wicked in the cinema, yeah. Oh, Wicked Part two. We did, and then next to me was two schoolgirls, I'd say 1560 maximum. Uh and they were kind of like talking most of the way through the actual film to the point where someone decided that they were going to speak up and say something.
SPEAKER_01:So this was the night before the premiere, right? So we were invited to a special event pre-event, basically screening, right? Um so these people potentially were the same, right? So you've spent good money. We've waited over a year for this movie, or almost a year for this movie. I have been hanging on the edge of my seat for this movie, right? We picked seats, um it wasn't the cheapest ticket, like we didn't go budget, right? Went to a decent cinema, and these two little cunts, right, and I'll call them what they were, sit there having a chat. Not about the movie, not about anything, just a chat and not a whisper chat. Like, I get if you want to talk about something in the movie theatre theatre, movie cinema, have a whisper, but then get back to the movie, right? Um we've done it, we've seen like some Jonathan Bailey appears on screen, we go SFK, he's hot. Oh my god, that's so sexy. Point out he's bold. Or point out everything about Jonathan Bailey because we love Jonathan Bailey. Right, he's he's here in Australia at the moment. I'm gonna go to Sauna, see if he does call in there. Um, can you imagine? A scarecrow. God, that would be fucking hot.
SPEAKER_02:Take his stuffing out.
SPEAKER_01:I'd fucking stuff him and de-stuff him and stuff him all over again. Um, but yeah, I wonder if he's a top or a bottom.
SPEAKER_02:I think he'd probably be very versatile. He'd be verse, yeah. He looks like a verse.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I reckon he'd have your average size. He'd be nice. He'd uncut too. Oh, he'd be, yeah, definitely. Yeah. Um, sorry. Um, but yeah, so I had to tell these two little girls, and I was really polite. I put on my dad's voice and I went, Girls, can you please be quiet? We're watching the movie. And it was that tone and that loud, and it was girls. Did they quiet? Did they watch the movie? They certainly did.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but they started again later on.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, or not not loud enough for me to hear, I can tell you, because I would have copped them and I would have fucking thrown my popcorn at the little fuckers. Yes. But yeah, so that was a pet. So that really pissed me off. Yes. That pissed me off. As a job, Peppy, but it pissed me off.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I knew we pissed you off.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. Um, other thing that really pisses me off. Being rude to service staff, right? Now we need service staff. So okay, so any service staff, so anyone that's either working in retail, working in a hospitality or anything like that, they're there to do a job. Yep, right? They're doing like, and trust me, all right. We've had a couple of instances recently where we've had to wait a long time for a coffee, right? Or something like that. But the one thing I wasn't was rude to them. All right. I was polite. I was like, can we get our shit together, guys? Look, look, look, I can't wait for her any longer. There's a difference between the difference between making you feel anxious and angry. I wasn't rude to them, and I never would be. Frustration was big. But it really gets me, right? And I will stand up every single time, right? If I hear somebody being rude, right, to serve staff, whether, like I said, whatever in the industry, I will absolutely launch at them. Right. I'll launch at them and I'll have absolute pleasure in doing it because I don't mind confrontation. I'm quite good at it. Um, I've learned to be over the years. Um, so yeah, so I will call it every single time. So be nice to people, right? Don't be a cunt, it doesn't cost much, is it? It doesn't cost anything, it doesn't at all.
SPEAKER_02:But yeah, it's all about etiquette and manage. It is all right what else you got? Um, my last one here is this is like a bit gross. Yeah. But when you go to a public toilet and you want to go in there and you need to do a number two or whatever, or even number one because there's not a thing available, and you look down and there's not a one thing. What you said not a thing available? Nothing available. I say no no urinal.
SPEAKER_01:You neural, you knew urinal space.
SPEAKER_02:Neural. Yeah, so you have to go into the cubicles basically. Yep. And you look down, and what do you come face to face with? But someone's fucking shit that they've just fucking haven't left, haven't bothered cleaning up after themselves.
SPEAKER_01:They haven't flushed, they haven't cleaned up.
SPEAKER_02:Or even if they have flush and they fucking splatter everywhere, you know? It's gross, it's just not hygienic, it's not ethical, it's just not right. It's gross, it's gross, and it pisses me off when there's only like a few stalls there and you're desperate to go. What do you do? You end up fucking cleaning that fucking bowl out because you fucking have no choice.
SPEAKER_01:You sit there and have to flush a few times and pray that it just disappears.
SPEAKER_02:That's a pet peeve of mine.
SPEAKER_01:But then, but then I also hate it when you sit there and you think if you've flushed a few times and doesn't go, and then you think, well, if I walk out, someone's gonna think that's from me, and that's gross as well.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:Because I do clean up after myself if I just put your hand in there and fucking force it down.
SPEAKER_02:Oh if it's yours, it's fine. I mean, wash your hands afterwards. Well, I would rather do that than fucking leave it there, wouldn't you?
SPEAKER_01:Put my hand in a toilet to clean up. Yeah. Um like as long as it's not a fucking. I've never had to do that. I've never had to stop diarrhea, but that should go away anyway. I don't know. So my final one, and and I was gonna I was gonna be specific with this. It's about e-bikes, right? But I've just decided I hate e-bikes full stop, right? Like specifically, I hate it when they're left in stupid places, right? Where people can potentially trip over or can't get past or anything like that. But I just hate e-bikes in general. I think they're a stupid waste of time and money. I don't know who's actually building them, right? Because no one's using them. I don't see I They are used, but we don't see them. The only time I see them used is it like like last night when we were coming home, there was two people on them, but they look like they were hammered and just doing it for fun. Exactly. So that's literally the only time I've seen them used in this city, right? So Clover Moore, right? Take your fucking e-bikes and stick them up your fucking snatch, right? Um, Clover Moore is the mayor of Sydney for people that don't listen from this country. Yeah, sorry, yeah. She's uh and she's a very LGBTQ. She's green left wing, but she's like so. She's very green and wants pretty beautifications everywhere and creates bike lanes for everything.
SPEAKER_02:Is she lesbian?
SPEAKER_01:I think she is done. But um. But she she also believes that e-bikes are the way of the future and because they're less carbon emissions, less all this kind of shit, and whatever, anyway. But I hate e-bikes. I hate e-bikes because they're shit. What else you got, Dave? You got to be able to do that. I've got to know that's me. I'm a good boy today. All right, well, that's been it for us today at the Fully Grown Homos.
SPEAKER_02:Um, and so yeah, so hopefully uh we've done a good service on our take on circumcision and then circumcision.
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah, so whatever you like, go out and send us some pictures. Even better. Yeah, I love pics of dicks, yeah, absolutely. And how do they do that, Dave? You can do it on any other socials. Any of our socials, just yeah, basically send us via email. But socials are podcasts. Yeah, that's always better. I like getting DMs in there about dicks. Yeah, you do. Yeah. All right, well, I've been Matt. And I'm Dave, as usual. That's a wrap from us. We've been your Fully Grown Homos, and we look forward to opening your mind, your ears, and your curiosities. Don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe, and share our podcasts with your curious friends. You can contact us on Fully Grown Homos Podcast at Gma.com or any of our socials, Fully Grown Homos Podcast.
