Fully Grown Homos Podcast
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Naked Camp Reflections
Clothes feel strange after four days of sun, rain, and 375 men learning how to be at home in their skin. We headed to Naked Camp expecting a laugh and a few workshops; we came back with calmer nervous systems, new friends, and a sturdier sense of consent and connection.
We talk about the nuts and bolts first: a diverse organising committee, space that actually supports mingling, and a crowd that spanned early 20s to 80s. The vibe? Welcoming, curious, and gloriously unclothed. From there we dive into the workshops that stuck. A four‑handed massage became a masterclass in boundary‑setting and sensation, complete with blindfolds, rhythm, and the kind of trust that turns touch into art. A table did collapse mid‑bliss, but even that blooper drew us closer through shared laughter and quick care. Mindful morning masturbation reframed solo pleasure as a practice: less porn autopilot, more breath, technique, and attention. When someone experienced a full‑body orgasm, we learned how to hold intensity without fear, using breath and choice to stay grounded.
The softer magic arrived in conversation circles and a session called Intimate Ocean, where we learned the gourmet hug—three breaths, a long sigh, a hold with intent. Heads on bellies, hands resting with permission, a room full of men relaxing into non‑sexual closeness. We also walked away with language to make adult friendships explicit: ask, don’t assume. And yes, we let our inner chaos out at the talent slash no‑talent show, swapping songs last minute and unleashing props that had judges howling. It was silly, shameless, and strangely healing to play without ranking ourselves against anyone.
If you’ve ever wondered whether a queer nude retreat is for you, hear our honest take: it’s perfect if you crave consent‑first spaces, playful learning, and community that treats every body with care. Less perfect if you truly hate camping, and that’s fine. We’re already planning next year with lighter bags and bigger hugs. Enjoy the ride, share it with a curious friend, and if this resonated, follow, rate, and leave a review so more people can find their way to kinder spaces.
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Welcome to Fully Grown Homos, a podcast about our adventures as fully grown homos navigating today's world full of inquisitive friends' questions about gay life and the unexplored activities of a life lived as fully grown homos.
SPEAKER_01:We'll discuss the gay 101s, sex, sexuality, and topics we don't even know yet, as we want your input into what you want to hear. Nothing is off limit, so email us on the fully grown homosepodcast at gmail.com.
SPEAKER_00:Or message any of our socials, Fully Grown Homer's Podcast. Hey Matt. What's happening?
SPEAKER_01:Well, we're back home now.
SPEAKER_00:We're back home after our um four days. Four days four days away of being naked and naked man. Yep. Yeah, and how does it feel?
SPEAKER_01:Um a little bit down and depressive because it was such a fun time.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, but uh like I woke up this morning and I thought, oh, fuck, I've got to put clothes on. Yeah, that was a bit weird, wasn't it? Yeah, especially when we went out to the shops. I thought, I'm just not gonna I got out of the shower and I went, I'm not gonna put clothes on, fuck it. And Dave said you get arrested. Yeah. So I kind of had to put clothes on and that was sucked. Well, I forced you to. Well, you didn't force me, but yeah. But um, but yeah, I did because I thought better of being arrested. There's a few police around the area at the moment. There was a crime last night, wasn't there? Yeah, there was a shooting in the area, but yeah, but let's not get into that. No, exactly. Yeah, we're safe, we were all safe. Um, but yeah, everyone's safe around us, so yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So I'm gonna ask you a couple of questions. Yeah, hit me. So now we're back home, yeah, and we're in sort of like um territory that we're familiar with and stuff like that. How did you receive your time at man camp?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, because I say naked camp because it's naked camp, not called naked man camp anymore, it's called naked camp. Yeah, yeah. Um, I loved it, it was different than it was last year, or the last time I went, which I worked out was 2022. Um and look, that was phenomenal. I thought that was really good. That was life-changing for me in a way that because as as you know, um, because I've spoken about it before.
SPEAKER_01:You prior to that.
SPEAKER_00:Um, prior to that, I was the kind of guy that went to bed with his underwear on. I wouldn't be naked in front of anyone. I was very self-conscious. Um, not because I'm tiny in my cock or anything like that, like I haven't got an inny. Um I just hadn't experienced being naked around other people. I was very nervous, very anxious about being naked in front of people, especially people I don't know, um, all that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_01:So well, there's a difference between being naked around people in that environment as there is in a sauna.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, yeah, yeah. You go there for self-specific. But you're there naked all the time. Yeah. Can be a little bit confronting to people that aren't used to being naked 24-7.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So, like, that was my I guess my first experience. I was very nervous and very anxious about it. But you got over it very quickly. Really quickly, yeah. But this time around, like, I was I couldn't wait to get my gear off. You're excited, I know you're. I literally could not wait to get my gear off. Yep. Um, because um zero fucks are given by me now in that sense. That like I know that there was gonna be people from every under demographic from I guess 18, 19, 20 years old all the way up to nearly 80 years old. Um, I knew that it was gonna be different body shapes, different body sizes, different dick sizes, different fucking ball sizes. Yep. Um, I knew that there was gonna be somebody different every single wear.
SPEAKER_01:But it was also the concept of the whole thing as well.
SPEAKER_00:So I wasn't self-conscious in any way, shape, or form. Yep. Um, because I like I said, I I care less now. I really don't care. Would I love a bigger dick to swing around and have it on show 100% of the time? Would I love six pack? Would I love to be nice and lean and have everything where it's supposed to be? But then you wouldn't be you. I would love all that, but I'm not putting in the effort.
SPEAKER_01:No, but you wouldn't be you.
SPEAKER_00:And the other day, not getting the injectables in my cock. No, exactly. Um I'd rather them in my face. Um so But it was a good purview. But look, yeah, but look, I I loved it this time around as well. I thought um, because again, it's it's recently changed from being um Kurt and Lewis that run the whole thing. Well they're still involved, but they just have a more than a lot of people. They were running the whole thing, the two of them. I know, prior to the room. Um and now it's committee run, um, which look I when I heard it was committee run, I kind of thought, yeah, I I th no, I th I had I had hesitations about what it was going to be like, what it was gonna be, whether it was gonna be different. But the diversity on the committee, right, has been sensational because I think that the the committee members that are all on there are from all stretches of our community. Yeah. Um, whether they be um like I mean, like debacle is a god, he's gorgeous. Yeah, he's beautiful, he's an Adonis. Well, everybody and he and he's a beautiful human as well. Yeah. Um, and that and look, you had ranging ages on the committee, you had people from from, I guess, from the non-binary community, uh, from every aspect within our community as well. So it was actually really, really good. Well, he's got good leadership skills, hasn't he, to take forward what his vision is moving forward. Okay, and we will be chatting with Kurt and with um Debaco at a later stage. We're gonna sort of line something up with those guys.
SPEAKER_01:And we had a few other people that we were going to talk with, which we will do separately later on, just because we've run out of time and also um, you know, there's a few other instances where we couldn't control.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we wanted to catch up with some so many people there, so many different facilitators. We will do that, and we will, we will. We have to lock it in. Like I know we said we wanted to catch up with Miss Haiti, we wanted to catch up with those people, but we need to actually lock it in and do it because we we're busy lives. We have, yeah. God, it's crazy. Um, but look, I personally loved it. Loved I I cannot think of a single negative that I that I had about it, right?
SPEAKER_01:I mean the only negative was the weather which is out of control of everybody, yeah. Fucking but even that wasn't too bad, you know. I didn't hate it the weather. It just dampened it.
SPEAKER_00:It just dampened a little bit because it was because it was cold at some points, um, so you had to sort of wear clothes, yeah. Um because you just you couldn't not like they're fucking freezing at some points there. But like you can't control the weather. So like apparently the year before was stunningly beautiful, perfect weather every single day. Yep. So therefore, you know, um, yeah. But and what about your take on the um the people that were there? People that were there were great. Like, I I again anywhere you go in our community, you're gonna have cliques. You're gonna have people but look, uh clicks are just people that gel more together. Gel more together, yeah. Okay, that's probably a way better way of saying it. Because the thing is that I'm a 54-year-old Virgin? No. Fucking no. That's not no. Um man that basically I guess if I could be described, I would be described, I guess, kind of a bear. Like I'm sort of I'm hairy. Yeah, you're not hairy. I'm not big. I'm not a big, but I'm sort of if I was to fit into any category, I'm not in a muscle. So you're between a m mm a cubana and a bear, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:In terms of like size-wise, you're not or an otter, you know, otters.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, sort of no, otters are a bit younger usually. But I'm just saying, for a for a demographic, for a visual, like I said, I I'm sort of basically bored, facial hair, hairy chests, and all that kind of stuff. Like, you know, so the thing is that um I sort of fit into that sort of that group. Whereas there was, I guess, the younger there was like, oh my god, there was some of the things that we're gonna do.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I would say yeah, well I'd say the demographic age range would have been more so uh from late 80s. Early 20s up to 80s. Up to 80, yeah. But I'd say the average age would have been in probably about late 20s, early 30s, I would have said would have been the predominant age group. Predominant age.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, there was there was a there was a quite a lot of people. Yeah, which was which was really promising. Absolutely. Um, especially for, I guess, naked man as a as a group, because that's giving a lot of future to the group as well. Yes, yes, absolutely. Um I think when I went to the opening ceremony, you were having a nap. I was sleeping, yeah. Um and it was uh there was a when they asked all the newbies to step into the middle of the circle, there was a lot. There was a but good like 70% of the people there were newbies. So it is awesome. 375 people, right? Men, all naked, like about 75% of those, whatever the math is. I don't do math. Um, they were all newbies and hadn't been there before. Um I didn't encounter one person. Um, even your your A gays that are just beautiful to look at and stuff like that. They were all really polite, really friendly. Every single person was friendly. Yep. Um, they were all there to have a really good time, to really enjoy themselves in whatever format they thought the enjoyment was. Like now we spoke with so many people. So many people. Some people were going there just to relax. They weren't gonna go to do any workshops, they weren't gonna do anything, they weren't really getting involved in anything but odd conversations here and there. Um some people were going there and they were basically gonna fuck their brains out all weekend long. And they did. Yeah, and they did. And we watched them do it. Oh sometimes. I didn't watch them, I didn't stalk them, but yeah. Oh, you didn't need to because they were everywhere. Um yeah, so looked, I and I think I think that the I knew it was gonna be a good weekend, right, when we pulled up and before we'd even got our tent set up, I sort of looked over and I seen like three guys over behind a tree all the time. Well they were towards where the toilet block was, yeah, sort of thing. Yeah, but they were like near a tree and all that kind of stuff. They'd already set up their stuff. The three guys and they started sort of they were like making out and sort of stroking each other's cocks and um sucking each other's dicks. And then I turned and we continued setting up and I looked back, and next minute there's six guys, and I looked back, and then there's eight guys, and and then one of them is basically sort of hands up on the tree while the other one's basically plowing into him, and it was fucking hot. It was hot as hell, and I'm sitting there going, This is day one. Holy fuck, we're in for the right of our lives this time around. Um, and it was it was so much fun. Like it was a really good, enjoyable four day.
SPEAKER_01:I like personally, I like the way the camps set was set up this time. You know, I was good with it with the um the clamping tents in two different separate areas, yep, and all the the main tents and stuff down. The main camping area. I thought it was a better way of setting it up and having the cars not far from where everybody was set up in terms of their tents, so we didn't have too far to walk.
SPEAKER_00:Well, it was integrated, so it was like a camper van and a tent. And I think that worked well. It was all organized chaos, yeah. Um, but everyone kind of went to where I guess they wanted to be. Yeah. Um, so I mean next to us were a couple of camper vans and stuff like that. Um we were there, then there was a few tents around us, and there was a row of clamping tents. Um, and we were basically a minute to walk from the camp kitchen and the and the amenities blocks and stuff like that. Um, the big, big main sort of marquee area where we're gonna be.
SPEAKER_01:There was plenty of space for everybody to walk around without falling over each other. Um you respect each other's uh areas.
SPEAKER_00:You did not feel like you were um on top of each other. Like for 385 guys, yeah, which sounds like a lot, but there was so much space, yeah. Right? You'd there'd be times where you didn't even see anyone for like an hour.
SPEAKER_01:In terms of um numbers, do you believe that they could accommodate more? I do.
SPEAKER_00:Well, yeah, like because the thing is from a camping perspective, I think they could definitely like because I think again, knowing where they had the cars parked this time, yeah, right, there was still plenty of room down there, right? Um I think they could potentially put another row of lamping tents up there, right? And almost sort of have both sides lamping tent, and that way it would probably encourage a few more people to actually put tents up there as well. Yep. Um, I think that if again, like weather permitting and all that kind of stuff, you could have fitted a ton more tents down where we were.
SPEAKER_01:Um I also think you know the area next to the uh the kitchen, camp kitchen, yep, that was better utilised this time as an eating area, as previously we had it as a massage area. But I think that was a great opportunity to have people sitting, eating and talking together. Well it was a real good community hub. It was. I liked that. I liked what they'd done there.
SPEAKER_00:You'd go in there and you'd sit there for brecky, and some and because they were all communal tables, basically everyone you'd sit down next to somebody and you'd just start chatting. And we sat, we did that on every single morning and lunchtime and basically evening times and that, and yep, and hence why we made some really good friends.
SPEAKER_01:And we have made some amazing friends this time around again.
SPEAKER_00:Yep, yep. So and people that I think will be in our life for a long, long time. So absolutely. But yeah, look, I I think that setup was fantastic. It was the cool room setup. Now, they hired two big cool rooms, right? Fantastic. As they have always, yeah. As they always have, right. But look, they said they would have loved to have hired more, but the person they hire it from, the only people that will actually go down that far, only has two. Yeah. So it's not like they like they would love to dearly love to get more, yeah. But the facilities just aren't there. Like it's not like it's an easy place to get to. Um, so you get what you're given. Yep. And if people like us didn't just overpack, so in terms of everyone did.
SPEAKER_01:In terms of this time, there was a few more um workshops that we've never been to before. And again, there's a few that we had been to that weren't there this time. Again, I think it's down to facilitators not being available or they want to switch up a little bit more, I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_00:There's only and we found out that some of the facilitators or the facilitators are actually paid. Yeah. So I guess it is a business at the end of the day. Yeah. Um, so they've got to pay these people for their four days of time and rightfully. So they've earned their bloody money, that's for sure. Right. Yep. Um, but the thing is that like they they've got to strike that balance because if you put on a workshop and no one attends, they're still paying that facilitator. Yeah. So they've almost got to test the waters, but they've also got to keep it fresh, right? Now, I know that the mud run that we did on the first year wasn't there this year. Your first year, yes. My first year, sorry. Um, wasn't there this year, but there were definitely courses this time that were there that that weren't there in previous years. Yep. Um, now they want to keep it fresh because if you're gonna have exactly the same workshops every single set every single year, it's gonna become boring. Well, it's not because people are coming that have never been before. So that's my turn. But for the people that are going every single year that use this as part of their annual sort of get-to, but look, I mean if you're gonna have the same one every single year, right? It will get a little bit stale.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I'll I'll I'll slightly disagree on that from my perspective, and that I'm not knocking you for that at all. But I believe what they had set up was good, but obviously it's just numbers is the hard thing because obviously there's so many people that want to go to it. And our our neighbour in the tent, I can't remember what his name was. Um Dez, yep, he he he said quite rightly, he said, look, you know, if they're gonna do that, then maybe maybe have a few other ones that are going on simultaneously, so some people can go to that one as well.
SPEAKER_00:Well, yeah, and and I think his his point was that a lot of the workshops are limited to numbers because of purely because of space. You can have a uh four-handed massage um session going on that's limited to 40 people because you've only got 40.
SPEAKER_01:We witnessed that and they accommodated as many as they could and they tried their hardest to get as many people in. So it's not down to you'd need a bigger tent, you'd need a bigger thing, and all but also the facilitator that's taken that is limited to the numbers he can literally work with because you're trying to give an experience to people that you know you're trying to give all to the if you make it too big, you lose that you lose the you lose the vibe, you lose you lose the energy and the look. I mean, I'm not gonna knock any of them because it was great when we went to, but it was like he I get what he was saying.
SPEAKER_00:To Des's point, yeah, he what he was saying is that while something while those limited numbers are on, yeah, have a couple of things that are unlimited. Yes. Right? So so one of the ones that we went to, which was Queer Conversations, right, was an unlimited numbers thing. So basically as many people as wanted to cram into there could cram into there. Yeah, and that would have been a good thing. If you had a few different ones like that going, when those limited number ones are on, that were basically so people could go, all right, I'm not sure what to do, can't get into that one, can't get into that one, can't get into that one. Yep. Well, let's go to this one instead, right?
SPEAKER_01:Um because we what we walked up a few times and we we had to walk away because we just couldn't get there in the case. We couldn't get in. And it wasn't through trying.
SPEAKER_00:We we we literally went and straight out and people were so popular and and and rightfully so, because I mean like the four-handed massage was sensational. So, do we want to tell the listeners about our four-handed massage experience now? Uh maybe let's tell them. Okay, go ahead. So they had lots of sessions on different sessions.
SPEAKER_01:So this one was run by Todd, again, as usual. Great, great, great, great um um workshop. So how he always does put on a great workshop.
SPEAKER_00:So, how many people does a four-handed massage include? Well, it's three people. It involves three pay three people per table. Yeah. So we had a guy with us, Desi. Um, lovely, lovely, lovely human. We basically walked in, grabbed a table, and he said he was sort of walked in and we went, come on over. Um, basically waved him over to us if you want, we said.
SPEAKER_01:Um and this is the beauty about the actual camp itself. You don't have to be with anybody to enjoy yourself because there will always be people that will join in with you to make your experience happen. Yeah, correct. And the facilitators made that happen as well, you know. I mean, they don't leave anybody on their own.
SPEAKER_00:No, no, no, no, they definitely do not. They make sure that everyone's cared for, everyone's sort of having a good time, everyone's included in everything.
SPEAKER_01:And I think people do sort of like, you know, go out their way to sort of like help. To welcome you, yeah. To welcome you. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00:Definitely. So I guess the setup for the for the four-handed massage, how it works, is basically you'll decide which order you guys want to go in. Out of three people. So out of three people now, excuse me. I um you went first. I went first. So I was person A, Desi was person B, and Dave was person C, right? So I laid down on the table, I put my blindfold on, because you put a blindfold on because it actually heightens your sensory or your other sensory um. So you're not seeing what's happening around you, you're focusing on the touch. You're enjoying it. Yeah, but you're focusing on the touch, yeah. Yeah, and it's great because you're not sitting there trying to look and see anyone else or wondering what's happening or anything like that. And and it really does heighten your senses. It really, really does. So I lay down on the table and to say I was my body was tingling is an understatement.
SPEAKER_01:So the way it works is basically the first person or whoever's been working lays on their stomach, first of all. So they so the people so the two other two guys are stood side by on the side, either side. Either side of the massage. And they start off with a very slow sensual touch in massage. Yeah, and then Todd. And then Todd's got music on, and there's also other facilitators helping him as well. Yeah. And then basically, Todd encourages everybody to touch the person very lightly, up and down the body slowly. And you get oil. Yeah, no, no, I'm just talking about the way it's gonna happen, right? So basically, you start very slowly, the person is enjoying that touch, getting turned on, and then the way it is, then Todd ramps it up a little bit further, and then he makes it go a little bit faster, so you're moving up and down the body faster. Then he then introduces the oil to the body. Yep. And having the body covered in oil basically allows your hands to move and glide over the body a lot quicker. Yep. So what that does then, he then ups the music, he then starts encouraging everybody to start really getting involved and you know, moving their arms and getting that getting the person worked up that's receiving the touch. Yep. But the people doing the touching as well are also getting erotically turned on because it's just like the power of touch and everything else, you know?
SPEAKER_00:And and it's full on. And and as the as the music builds, right? Um, so do the energies and stuff like that as well. And Todd's like his encouragement and his motivation to get people to push the boundaries and really get into it, to really enjoy the giving massage as well as the receiving massage. So he's basically sitting there and he's like calling out things like move your body, feel let your body feel the joy, let your body feel the enjoyment of it all and stuff like that. Yep. And and then there's tambourines and there's drums that are going up, and they're getting louder and faster and louder and faster. And your body is sort of writhing with the actual moo music and the drum sound, and you're feeling, apart from the physical touch that you're feeling from the two people that are actually giving you the massage, you're actually feeling these rhythms that are coming through your whole body.
SPEAKER_01:And at that point, then Todd, so he encourages people to, you know, one of the persons that was giving the massage to jump on the actual table and literally put their body on the other person and slide up and down and get more you know, more involved. So I did that with you, but I realized I felt I didn't feel very safe on the table. So I thought, okay, I'm not gonna push myself, I'm gonna get back off. And that was fine. And then you turn it over, and then we do the same again. You start off slowly with a person and then you build up and build up and build up to the point where they're almost like orgasmic, you know what I mean? And if you want to ejaculate, you can because you know, because that you can't control the energy you are receiving from the other two people touching you, correct. And again, you know, and there's nothing to stop you from like experience that extension.
SPEAKER_00:An important part of this pre-agreement between the three of you is you all discuss what your perimeters are around what you're happy with, what you're okay with, whether you're okay with people touching your genitals, whether you're okay with them basically put it in your mouth if you want to, or whatever it is. So you discuss the perimeters previously consent is king throughout this whole ch whole um event. So yeah, um, but yeah, so so we did you. Yep, my massage was done, completed. I was oh so yeah, my I was energized. Exactly, right? I was and I think everybody in the world. I loved it. And it was it was great. Like I definitely felt loved, felt, felt all the energy, felt fucking hard as a rock.
SPEAKER_01:Um you do, and yeah, and you get off that table. So after the thing, you you then come down slowly, release that person's energy down to a normal sort of like level, but the person's feeling energized and really sexually turned on, you know. Yeah, so then we swap over. So the person that is number two, they then receive the same treatment. Yeah, so it was Desi's turn to be on the table. Matt and I were basically giving Desi the treatment. Yep, the massage. And we've gone through the process of like going from the light touch, putting the oil on, ramping up to the point where um Todd said to people, like, get on the bed, go on, jump on, and basically give him the sensation of his life. So at that point, I'm at the head of the at Desi's head, you know, doing his shoulders and back and everything that way. So Matt Matt jumped up.
SPEAKER_00:Dave encouraged me to jump on the table. Which you did, which I did, right? Yep. And it started off really nicely. So I was a bit gentle and a bit soft. So you're on your knees at this point, on your body. Yeah, on my knees, right. A bit soft and a bit gentle, and I was sort of rubbing up his back and down his thigh and across his buttops and down his legs, and sort of all the while moving myself over his body. Over his body, and then I basically laid down on him, rubbing, sliding up and down, so my cock was not going in his arts, but going up his buttons. Yeah, he was just cressing himself, yeah. Keeping him nice and cressed and stuff like that. Yep. Then the music was getting louder, faster, louder, louder, faster, louder, faster. And in the meantime, I'm getting more carried away and I'm rubbing and I'm rubbing and I'm moving up and down, I'm moving up and down, and then suddenly the fucking table broke.
SPEAKER_01:So poor Dais falls off the table with the tape. So the table collapses. Daze is still attached to it. The table collapse from the back legs only. Daisy's on his stomach at this point.
SPEAKER_00:So the back legs only, so it looked like it was in a ramp position. Yes, that's right. So it was the back legs on that's right. So literally, he's hanging on for dear life. Yep. Luckily, he'd sort of had his arms around Dave at that stage around the front of the table with Dave. I'm basically falling backwards off, Dizzy, onto the floor.
SPEAKER_01:Everybody stopped. No, no, everybody hadn't stopped. No. Because everybody just turned around to see what the fuck had happened. And then they continued on. And then Todd just said, carry on going, come on, get on with it, get on with it. Then he came over and checked where we were okay. Yep. And then basically said, We've got another table there. Right. So they set up another table for us. So Dez missed out on the last little bit of the continued to last a little bit, yeah, on the back. Yeah. And so then we obviously everybody then turns over and does the front.
SPEAKER_00:Well, no, he laid down on the back on his back first for the finished last part. That's right, yes. But he was laughing uncontrollably. Yeah. So you could feel his whole body shaking with laughter.
SPEAKER_01:And the way they do it as well, at the end, they get the two massages or masseurs to face each other and look each other in the eyes, and put your hands on the other person's body at the back, just resting. Yeah. And all we could feel was Des back grown up and up and up. He was chuckling so much. You were laughing so much. So we had to look at each other in the eyes.
SPEAKER_00:So we were laughing, and we were absolutely pissed ourselves laughing. It was funny as fuck. And then I look over, and Aaron, one of the other guys that we'd sort of met, he seen the whole thing. And he described it to me later. He said, It would literally seen you fall in slow motion. He says, and from that point on, I was gone. He said, I couldn't laugh. I couldn't stop laughing the whole time. He says, and I was looking over at Dez Desi, and he was laughing non-stop. You could see his whole body shaking with laughter still. He says, I knew you were all fine. Yeah. He said, but he said it was just the funniest thing. He was. So so yeah, and look, look, fair to say that we we laughed a lot that day. Then Dave had his turn at the massage as well. That was exciting. We all decided that no one was climbing back up on the table again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, so so that was that was but it was fun.
SPEAKER_01:The people walked away with cum in their beards and everything else, but they all felt rejuvenated and refreshed. Yeah. And that was a great thing, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_00:It was a great ab workout for our laughs as well. But I tell you what, that table was fucked. It was. It made me feel fat. So what other highlights would you say that you enjoyed? Oh, there's plenty that I enjoyed. Okay, so so the highlights for me were the workshops. Like I enjoy, like I really loved getting to chat with people that I don't normally get a chat with and stuff like that. Because there are different cross-sections of our community. But you're also learning skills as well, aren't you? Yeah, but but even the the conversations are different than just a normal dinner conversation. Yeah, because you're sitting there completely naked, you're already vulnerable in a sense. So you kind of like we had, and again, without going into too much detail, but we had that great psych, great chat, like a really good conversation that went for a good hour almost. Um, with the sex psychologist, the psychologist that um deals with people with sexualities, their sex and sexualities and all that kind of stuff. So we had some fantastic conversations. But that was a personal conversation. Yeah, there was a personal conversation. No, that was a personal conversation. But that's what I'm saying. Those conversations for me were phenomenal and really made our whole weekend because we sat, we talked a lot, we listened a lot. Yep. Um, and that's the thing is that I talk a lot in general life. Not as much as me. As correct. Um, but we got to listen to a lot of people. We did. So it wasn't like we were saying, Oh, somebody was talking, then we go, Oh, and here's our story. We just listened and we'd actually ask questions, not wanting to put them onto the podcast, but but questions just wanting to get to know people. But we also went to Kurt's morning masturbation. And that was very popular, wasn't it? That was great. That was the mindful morning masturbation. Yeah, right. And basically you had to stay on your own mat, which was good slash bad, because I wanted to get my hands and knees and fucking just go around and put dicks in my mouth everywhere. Um, because Jesus Christ. Like, and again, they took you through, they said they erections are welcome, not necessary, right? Don't don't come in here thinking your end game is to blow your load or anything like that. I want you to come in here thinking I'm gonna get to know your body. Um, and it basically took you through some real mindfulness, some really being aware of your own body, of your Centers and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_01:And that's what Kurt specializes in. He he makes people feel everything about themselves. Aware, self-aware. He is so knowledgeable about what he teaches. He doesn't just teach that, he teaches multiple different different techniques.
SPEAKER_00:But literally, and he said there was five pillars, and I can't remember what the five pillars are now, and I didn't even write them down somewhere. I did write them down somewhere.
SPEAKER_01:But going through all the sort of like pre-workout stuff he got us to do, bringing our energy into ourselves, was something that again I probably neglect on a daily basis. I don't really I mean when you masturbate, you either, like he said, you are too engaged in pornography or you're looking around and you're not sort of like focusing on yourself as much. Yep. And what I got from that was an amazing experience because, like he said, you know, just touching yourself in a different way, either you pinching yourself, banging yourself, rubbing yourself, or whatever it might be, you are getting a different sensation each time.
SPEAKER_00:Well, he was he said that like it was um he said I encourage you to uh look around the room at other people's techniques. Yep. Look at other people, let them look at you, yeah. Right. Um be open for them to look at you, be open for you to look at them. Um not in a creepy way, um, but just in an exploratory way. Well, I feel like I was. If you see a technique that you've never seen before, give it a try. You might actually like it. I think there's a few techniques and I did. Like there was a couple, I mean there was one where he was using, where Kurt himself was using, where he's like, okay, I can only like he had his cock between his hands. Like if you put your palms together, he was rubbing it almost like he was starting a fire. You know how you do when you're trying to warm your hands up when you're cold? Yeah, right. Absolutely. He was using that technique now. I tried that, didn't do shit for me. Right. But I actually tried it because I thought to myself, oh, that's something I've never done before. Exactly. But I tried it, and I'm sitting there rubbing my hands together. I'm thinking, all I was doing is sort of twisting me around a little bit, but it didn't work for me. But it was good because I was actually watching different people do different techniques, how they're actually doing it. And I'm sitting there going, Oh, that one I'm gonna give that a crack, give that a crack, give that a crack. So it was actually really, really good as well. Yep. Um, and again, just that that one guy that at the end he came, yeah, and he was shaking to the point where we actually thought he was fitting. Um we learned that he was having a full body.
SPEAKER_01:Having a full body orgasm. So and again, I mean you hear about these things, but you never witness them. And to see something like that happening was like, well, it's like wow, wow, wow, indeed.
SPEAKER_00:But look, he said, if it's getting too much for you visually, close your eyes, come back to you, right? Um, feel yourself, just breathe through it and stuff like that, really get into you, um, which was again different.
SPEAKER_01:And I think all the facilitators that were there um had a very similar sort of like um, you know, philosophies, philosophies in terms of the way that their their workshops were organized. They wanted you to get the best experience out of it. Yeah, and I think 99.9% of the time people did. Yeah, yeah. I mean, a few people left during certain sessions because it wasn't for them or they felt overwhelmed, and that's normal. Yeah, but they were also said that was fine before they even start, you know, do not feel pressurized to stay, do not feel pressurized to do anything you're not wanting or comfortable doing. And that's the lovely thing I think about the whole camp. Everything was consensual, everything was all about giving you the best experience. Yeah, and people like Kurt and everybody else that specializes in doing these things. Um, I think, you know, I I I take my heart off to them because they gave such an amazing experience to us all.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, it was fantastic. And I I think, like I said, the naked conversations with Joseph.
SPEAKER_01:Um, that was amazing as well. And again, that to me was something I didn't know anything about. Yep. I mean, I I went into that workshop very apprehensive because I didn't know what we were talking about. I didn't know what the concept was. Yeah, but within about two minutes of being there, I kind of understood what the parameters of the actual workshop was about. Yeah. But leaving that session, I think, was the most empowering session I've been to. Our minds were opened. I was really, really taken back, and I was really pleasantly surprised with what I got from that. Well, and that was a lot I got from that.
SPEAKER_00:I will I will go in next next year when we go, because we're definitely going. I don't care what's on the calendar, we're going. Um, but next year I will go in with the intent of actually going to all of them. Right. From because the thing is that what Joseph's ones. Yeah, Joseph's one. Yeah, yeah, or whoever's even running the naked conversations because I just think that they were really enlightening for me. Absolutely. Um, there were some things that I got out of it, like the um one of the younger guys on the panel, um, and I spoke about it, um, and I'll drop those into here in as well. But yeah, no, no, I didn't know I'm not definitely not going to mention names, but um I already spoke about it on the other podcast that I'm gonna drop into this session as well. Um, but again, that's just uh asking somebody, would you like to be my friend? rather than just assuming that you're all friends and stuff like that. Absolutely, yeah. So it's it's like I got that out of it, but like I think they were great. Yeah. Um the intimate ocean, right? That was really good.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, again, I mean that was again, because there were so many people in there that were I think he didn't kick anybody out, which is great.
SPEAKER_00:No, but the thing with that one though, we were going to go to something else and couldn't get into that one, so we went to the intimate ocean instead, yeah, right? Um, and we went, oh, okay, all right, let's go in here, with zero expectations. But it it turned out to be one of my faves because again, you just you got to hug people. Well, you learned uh a new technique of hugging, yeah. Yeah which was called uh the gourmet hug. The gourmet hug. Yeah, which which again I showed to um Fanny Fanny yesterday. Yeah, I basically sort of gave her a gourmet hug, and that's where you basically really hold somebody closely, not squeezing, but you're holding them close with full intent of being contact with them. And it's not even the sexual thing. No, no, no, no, it's not a definitely not a sexual thing, but it's a closeness thing. It is, and it's just like a breath in and a breathe out, then a breath in, then a breathe out, then a breath in, and on your third breath out, you just sigh it out. So you when you're sighing it out, you almost feel the vibrations of that side, like the oh, like you can feel the vibrations running through you and running through them, right? And it just it really gives yourself to that person that you're hugging. So it really like the gourmet hug is now my favorite thing, right? So it's I'm gonna teach my family and teach everyone, right? Yep. Um but that was great. Like, I mean, that session started with gourmet hugs with one person, like with one other person, built up, built up, built up, built up, built up. And then next thing you know, we were all gourmet hugging throughout the whole like 40 of odd men. Yep. Um, and then we're lying on the ground, basically, um heads on bellies, right? Connected the whole way through.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so it's like person laying next to each other, one would be uh laying on someone else's head would be on someone else's belly, someone else's head would be on your belly, and except for the way around it's like a big, big circle that is full of people just laying on each other in a way that they're just feeding the breath of someone else, yeah, but also utilising their hands just to move around very lightly to touch everybody else around them, yeah with consent, obviously. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But again, just breathing through different things and just like just yeah, and it was just I fell asleep at one point. Yeah, they snored, yeah, that was lovely. That's nice when you can always relax. When you're so relaxed that you can actually snore, that's great. Um, but yeah, look, we had lots and lots of another one of my highlights, Matthew, yeah, is you.
SPEAKER_01:Well, obviously. I know, but but what specifically? Because we had the talented, no talent slash no talent competition. And I really do take my heart off to you. I I I I love you for doing what you do. I think you're so stupid. No, you're not stupid at all. No, I think you're just so engaging, but you know, you don't care whether you make a fool of yourself or whether you're you know you're a pop star one minute or whatever. I mean, you give everybody an opportunity to enjoy themselves, yeah. That's what I love about you. You don't take life too seriously enough to say I'm not doing it. You will give everything a go, regardless.
SPEAKER_00:So the pretense of the talent slash no talent show, which is which they give you the opportunity to do, right? And this is what I love. If it's just a talent show, everyone's got to show up with the talent, right? And let's face it, right? Not everyone has a talent. Now, our listeners will know that if you search Matt Kavner on YouTube, um, you can see that I can actually sing, all right? But I wasn't gonna go up and sing. So I decided I wanted to be embarked on the no talent side.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_00:So we had already pre-sort of planned that you were gonna do this. Yeah, because Dave said that you should do that this year, and I went, you know what, fuck it, why not? Because I know what Matt's like and he was like, Because I thought, why not? I'll have fun, right? So your concept initially was to do wicked, yeah, to do Defying Gravity from Wicked, because current number one, and because love musical theatre, gay eagles win. Yes. All right. So we bought a few props before leaving to make that work. Well, we bought we originally went into the to the party shop at Penrith, right, to buy a witch's hat and a broom and a cake. And some makeup. Right and some makeup, right? Because you were going to be alpha bar. I was gonna be alpha bar and do it that way. Yeah. Right. And um, well originally I was gonna paint half myself alpha green, remember, and do the switch, demand. Half and half, yeah. Half, half, half, half, half. But then when we're in there, we saw a blow-up doll. Right, yeah, like a blow-up sex doll, but didn't have any of the holes in it, yeah. Right. So it was just like a fake blow-up sex doll. And so we thought that'd be fucking hysterical as Glinda, right? Absolutely. So I was gonna be alpha bar.
SPEAKER_01:So we bought a nice Tiara with a cock on it, with a cock on it, and a few other accessories to make her look a little bit more sparkly, yeah. Absolutely. Um, so we packed a few things and we had that all set up. Yeah, but obviously, on the day of the camp when we registered, we realized that the song that Matt had chosen was too long. It's five and a half minutes long, almost six minutes long. And they were giving people three minute opportunities, which is fair enough when I get that, you know. Yeah, you've got to get through people, otherwise you'd be there all night. So Matt went back to tent and thought, oh fuck, I'm gonna have to try and find a revamp version. Couldn't find anything that fitted the bill because obviously he needed to have two parts. Yeah, I wanted both both Gelinda and Alpha Bar. So Matt, being the way he is, decided that I'm gonna quit. I'm gonna choose a completely different song from Wicked, and I'm gonna call it popular. So I went the popular route. So he checked the length of it, found out it was within the perfect side, a little bit over. But the only downside is doing that meant that Matt had to switch roles. So he was now gonna be Galinda. Glinda. And Alpha Bar was now gonna be the blow-up doll. Yeah. So Matt, as Matt does, he doesn't prepare fuck all because he's Dave said you could rehearse, and I went, I don't do rehearsal. He said, I'm gonna wing it. He said, I know the lyrics, I'm lip-syncing anyway. So he said, just trust me, I'll just do it. I don't care. If it doesn't look good, I don't give a flying fuck anyway.
SPEAKER_00:Dave had seen no preparation because there was none, right?
SPEAKER_01:No, but I I just didn't want him to sort of like get up there and fail. No, but not so much fail, but I didn't want him to go up there and feel pressurize himself and then realize that he couldn't do it. So um, so yeah, so Matt went off and did some way he would no, you went to do that breath work, didn't you, at that time? Yeah, I went and did a breath work. So he just went off and I then decided I was gonna save help set. So I I painted Glinda green. Alpha Bar, sorry, yeah, the blow-up doll green and made her into Glinda. Uh Alpha Bar. Yep, yep. I added um a smaller dildo to the end of a mop. Mop with her broom.
SPEAKER_00:We took some props as well. So we took we took a little um dildo. Well, little average size. Yeah, okay, about seven, six inches. Yeah, average size. Yeah, right. Then we took a double-ended dildo, yeah, right. Now, okay, just for the listeners at home, these are all Dave's personal dildos, which I haven't used. Well, whatever. Some of them look stained to me. Um and then some of you may have heard was talk about Dave's 747, which he ordered by mistake. And I've never used it. Right, never used it, and I can probably guarantee that he's never used it because it is fucking monstrous. The size of your forearm. When I ordered it, it came through and I got it, and I was like, what? Holy fuck is this? It's got a girth. It's about like it's impressive to look at. It's about eight inches round. And it's about fucking 15 inches like it. It's huge, it's huge. So we took these props, we took like a little whip, we took a few things, right?
SPEAKER_01:So Matt had to go and get himself. Well, we took them up, we hit we hid them in black bags, so we, you know, we had it all prepared ready for.
SPEAKER_00:We had a mop, a mop that was green. I had like a green mop head on it. Yep. But Dave had taped the small dildo onto the end of the mop head as well, like at the top part, right?
SPEAKER_01:And then we had like a we had an apron that had a cock attached to it. Top of it as well. And that was attached to the doll.
SPEAKER_00:Yep. So we did that. And then the cape was hiding everything as well. Yeah, yeah. I bought her out with a cape hiding everything. Yep. So we started the song. No, so you dressed, you got you had to get your go back side to get dressed, didn't you? Or get dressed. I put my Tara and my dog collar on. And your makeup on. And my makeup. Yep. Yep.
SPEAKER_01:Very much Matt is bold, so he has no hair. No hair. So then. And part of the actual song has a flick of hair. So I did all that. So that was funny. Yep. But he comes out. So me and the boys that we made friends with, um, Rob and Aaron, were sat in the audience with everybody else. Now Matt was probably number seven, I think, eighth on the list for the talent contest. So he'd had the time to get himself prepped in the back. We hadn't seen what he looked like. So Matt comes out onto the stage and he's bringing out this doll. Covered in cape. Yeah, covered in covered in the cape, so you can't see anything, and the hats and everything else on. And then he walks out and he's got these bright sparkly pink sunglasses, Diamond. Yep. He's got this taro with a big cock on it, and he has a dog collar round his neck, which is a real case. Which I borrowed from Chanel. Yeah. Yeah. Which we extended to make Rangos and he just walked out, and everybody was like, What the fuck are going on here? Because nobody knew. We we kind of knew. I was laughing and I was like sweating like fuck because I was like, I really wanted to work for him, I really wanted to work for him. Um, and um, yeah, it we and up until that point, the the high school was like 23 before him, and then this other guy came out who actually won the convention. And he ended up getting like a score of like 35. Yep. So Matt had pressure on him anyway, and we sort of thought we thought, you know, there's probably high probability he won't win now because this other one was great, was fucking amazing. But Matt came out, and all in all honesty and all fair play to him, he entertained the crowd like there's no tomorrow. Um I was like I was I was getting I was getting super, super um emotional because I was so proud of him for doing what he did, and I was enjoying every single part of it. But I I undid the cape to expose the first cock, basically.
SPEAKER_00:And then that got a bit of a roar, a bit of a roar from the crowd, a bit of a laugh. And then I basically took the double-ended dildo off from around my neck because I was wearing it like a tie. Because you're swung that around the next slide.
SPEAKER_01:You're sitting into Elva Bart and you're saying I'm popular.
SPEAKER_00:I'm popular, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So you're basically making her feel like she's got a small cock, I've got everything, and I'm gonna be the one that's got but he brings out this fucking 747 dildo, and that's when it all started going fucking.
SPEAKER_00:The crowd went wild. So I was running down, I went down the stairs, um, basically swung this cock in people's faces, was slapping them on the face with it. Um, by this stage, I'd taken Elphabar and myself down the stairs. She was riding the broom, yep. That was the green mop with the little cock on the end of it. I was shoving that into the judge's mouths, um, and they were loving it. They were sitting there going, opening the mouth, going, give it to me, give it to me, and stuff like that. But you could you hear me be laughing? I could hear everyone laughing. And I was skipping around and I had hold of her hands, and we were doing like this. You lifted my leg up at one point and tried to thrust the fucking thrusting the cocking today if I was doing it today. People that I knew that would be fine with it and stuff like that. Um, so I thought I didn't just go and ro randomly approach strangers. Um but it was it was hella fun. Yeah, but look, the guy, and I think I ended up with 30 and 31 and a half, yeah, which which which was reasonable. And as a result, I got a um I got the Judge's Choice Award. Yep. Um so I got myself a hat and a and a water bottle, naked man water bottle, which was really cool. Yep. Um but then the guy that won, he roller skated onto the stage. Now I've seen him getting dressed backstage.
SPEAKER_01:So his attire was 80s gear, yeah. So he had 80s roller skates, which were like like silver in colour, they were awesome. Yeah, yeah. He was obviously he didn't he wasn't naked at that point because he had like a glittery silver matching short. Yeah, absolutely. He looked the part, he looked like Benson Boone, he had this fake mustache on, and his body was spectacular. Oh, his body was amazing, but yeah, what he did with the Rollers Gates was amazing in the short area he had, and the the theme he was singing Boogie Wonderland. But honest to God, if he hadn't won, it would have been a travesty. Yeah, it would have been because he was absolutely spectacular, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Um, and yeah, like he was around the room, he was jumping people, he was jumping from the stage down to the floor, he was skipping with the ropes and everything else. Like I I couldn't see it, unfortunately, because I was backstage, but I could hear the crowd, and I'm thinking, fuck, I'm following this. Okay, I'm just going out to have fun, right? And that's what I did. But he was like the crowd was fucking sensational, they loved it. But look, there was lots of other really talented acts through there as well. Yeah, um, I think Paul Mack, I think his name was. The singer. The singer, and he was phenomenal. Yep. Um, there was some some spoken word, again, not my thing, but they were really, really good and really entertaining. Um, there was only one that was a bit of a dick. Um caused problems, but that's fine. That's what it is. He was dealt with personally. Yeah, he was dealt with, so that's fine. Um, but look, the night was great. We danced on until nearly midnight. I did. I didn't. Old man went to bed. I went to bed about half twelve. Me and the boys danced on till midnight and stuff like that. I went up to check out the library, which is basically where you go to have sex. Yeah. Um, which is or one place, obviously. One place, yeah. Well, not so designated area, yeah. You have sex anywhere. Yeah. Um, but I went up there to check that out, sort of thing and stuff like that. You saw a few incidences up there, which is funny. I saw I saw some funny instances. Oh, we weren't going to talk about them.
SPEAKER_01:But yeah, they were it was fun. It was fun, let's say that. So, in in retrospect, um, the camp itself was a blast. It really was. It went so fast in terms of time-wise. Um, you know, if you've never been to one of these camps and you're you're listening and you want to sort of like look into it, I would suggest definitely looking into it. Go go onto the websites. Yeah, I think it's naked man, yeah. If you go onto naked man, naked man, yeah, you can find their information. But they're now changed with naked camp, haven't they? So yeah. Naked camp, yeah. T N TNK, I think it is, isn't it, on Facebook?
SPEAKER_00:I'm just trying to find it.
SPEAKER_01:We'll put links to everything anyway.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, if you go to Naked Man Australia, yeah, right, then they will have links to when you do the the TN Camp and stuff like that. I'm just trying to Google it now. Okay. Yeah. TN Camp. If you look that up on Facebook, right? T capital T, capital N um and Camp, right?
SPEAKER_01:And we had people from interstate, we have people from overseas. So it's not like it's only Australia only. No, I don't know. No. And I think you know, if you are listening to this podcast from overseas and you would like to take part in this sort of thing, then definitely get involved. Come over, and you know, and it's amazing. The facilities are there, you know, you can hire things out so you don't have to bring them with you. Um, but what you will gain from it will be the best experience of your life, I reckon.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, look, it it was it was sensational. Like I loved every minute of it. The only sad part was having to put clothes on to come back.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and you know, if it could be a week long, it'd be great. But obviously, you know, four or five days is mostly what people can take off this time of year. Yeah, yeah. Um, but look, I would say to you, you know, it's one of the best things I've ever done, and I'm glad that Matt got involved as well.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and look, it's a yearly event for us now. So it's it's it's fun, it's it's heartwarming. You make some really good friends. Yep. Uh there's people that have been going there and they now have people there they call family.
SPEAKER_01:We did speak to other people and it wasn't for them, and that's fair enough. Yeah, at least they tried it.
SPEAKER_00:I guess the one person when we spoke to one person, we said to him, Well, how are you finding it? And he went, Mm-mm, not for me. Right. And we're going, oh, why is that? And his only reason that I think that he gave was because he doesn't like camping. Culture. He loves everything else about it, right? He liked the workshops, he liked all that kind of stuff. He liked all the conversations. Um he loves the comrade. He took part in the parade. He loved, he loved the whole thing if it wasn't for the camping component, because he said, I haven't camped for fucking 50 years. He said, I'd I'm not about to start doing that again.
SPEAKER_01:I like my comforts too much.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you see, he likes his creature comforts and all that. So it wasn't anything to do with the camp, it was just purely himself, yeah. Him, which is fine. Like, you know, I mean not everyone has to love it. Do I love camping? No. Um, but I'm still gonna fucking go. I love it. I love camping. I love it. Yeah, but it would be I just don't like the weather. I just don't like the setting up and the putting down. If I could just walk in after you've done it all, then I'd be much better. I might do that.
SPEAKER_01:But we must, must, must make sure we don't take as much stuff because we've said this time and time and again. I think you know, go with less pack, go with less, and you know, yeah, yep.
SPEAKER_00:But we will organise that and we want to take a bigger crew next year with us as well. So um, yeah, so um anything.
SPEAKER_01:I think we should probably wrap this a little bit up now because obviously we're gonna add all this together so it makes one more podcast. But we will contact Kurt and we will contact Debaco and we will also contact Joey as well. Joey, yep. Um, and have further conversations with those people because it's important. It'll be a different podcast, yeah. But you know, those people are the ones what will hold the key to the past, the future, and the present. You know what I mean, in terms of the way the camps are run. Yep, but from us, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I can't thank enough. I can't thank everybody enough. Thank you, Nakamin. Thank you. The participants, like people like people that attend, people like Will just made our day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. Just chatting with different people. So you all made our day.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and and nobody is above anybody else there. Everybody's on equal plane, equal, equal terms, and I just think the experience that you come away with is just unbelievable.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, people like Dez that we had a quick chat with. Yeah, well everybody that basically told me all about Qtopia as well. So, like people like that, like um, thank you because you've made our camp really successful. Absolutely. So, yeah. All right, so thanks a wrap from us, hello. That's a wrap from us, and I'll just do this one. That's a wrap from us. We've been your fully grown homos, and we look forward to opening your mind, your ears, and your curiosities. Don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe, and share our podcast with your curious friends. You can contact us on Fully Grown Homos Podcast at gmail.com or any of our socials Fully Grown Homos Podcast.
