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Bare Truths: The Human Body, Freedom, and the Fascination of Being Seen
Sunshine, great food, and a cheeky Grinder tone over a loudspeaker set the stage for a bigger conversation: what actually happens to shame when the body is treated as ordinary rather than scandalous? We open with our romp through the Good Food & Wine Show—standout Greek bites, a crush-worthy stop at SOHI Distillery, and the kind of easy banter that only happens when friends gather. A surprise cruise win at Panthers and plans for Newcastle Pride give us momentum, but the heart of the episode is body freedom: nudism, exhibitionism, and voyeurism, explained clearly and without euphemism.
We break down the differences and the overlaps. Nudism is about comfort and nature in the right settings. Exhibitionism is the thrill of being seen. Voyeurism is the charge of watching. Then we walk through the spaces where these live: nude beaches, dunes that become more playful after dark, gyms and pools where everyday nudity becomes a glance economy, and curated events like Naked Man camp that transform self-consciousness into calm. We look back to ancient Greece, through religious chills and the sexual revolution, and into today’s double standard where straight culture commercialises nudity while queer spaces make it visible and communal.
What makes someone try it? Freedom and authenticity top the list, followed by a healthy dose of rebellion and a longing for community. We share candid stories—first-time nerves, morning wood in a field, figuring out consent—and practical tips to make your first nude day simple: sunscreen everywhere, sunglasses, footwear, rinse often, bring water, and read the room. No preaching, no posturing—just honest talk about how ordinary bodies can heal extraordinary shame. If you’re curious, cautious, or just love a good yarn with your gin, you’ll feel at home here.
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SPEAKER_03:We'll discuss the gay 101s, sex, sexuality, and topics we don't even know yet. As we want your input into what you want to hear, nothing is off limit, so email us on the fully grown homospodcast at gmail.com.
SPEAKER_04:Or message any of our socials, Fully Grown Homos Podcast. Hey Dave. Hey Matt. What's been happening?
SPEAKER_03:Well you tell me, I hit the button and I'll tell you. Oh, you just want me to hit the button.
SPEAKER_04:Always hitting the button. Hit the baby. Well, I mean girls are. Yeah, I guess anyone listening can sip wine. Absolutely. And our girls definitely are wine drinkers. Miami loves a bit of wine. Miami loves wine. Brittany doesn't mind wine. No. Amber definitely loves wine.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:Um Cleo loves wine.
SPEAKER_03:Vanessa loves wine. Adam loves wine.
SPEAKER_04:Adam loves wine. We're allowed to call him Adam. Are we? Yeah. Cool. He told us last week. Okay, there you go. Yeah, we're allowed to call him by his name. Yay. That hot guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, lots of our friends stop here.
SPEAKER_03:Justin loves wine too. Who's Justin?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, he does. He does. He's Justin. Yeah, sorry. Brittany's Brittany's husband.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. Look, I don't mind wine. I I mean I like port better. I like two wine. So do you because you're English.
SPEAKER_04:Talking of wine, where do we go? Oh, where that's actually a really good segue. I didn't even plan that. I know, right? We actually went to the Good Food and Wine Show at Bella Vista Farms last weekend. And it was fucking awesome. It was great. Beautiful day. I went there with zero expectations. Look, I went there because um Amber basically said, I think it was literally midweek or earlier that week. Um this is on, what are you guys up to? And we got absolutely fucking nothing. And that's a great idea. Let's all catch up. And it was literally awesome. Yeah, and there ended up being about 10 of us, maybe maybe more.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, there's a couple of people that uh like the winter band fender that we didn't know.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Well we met them, well we met a couple of them.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, met a couple of them, sort of thing, and stuff like that, but hadn't met some others, and that was always nice. But it was really good, and and one of our friends really pissed me off. Because he had shorts on, you could see straight up them. But he had fucking underwear on. I know, but he didn't dang it. Like what a tease. I know. Buddy, if you listen, show me your balls. Um have some balls to show me. Show me your balls, yeah. Have some balls, show me your balls, yeah. No, uh, he was lovely as well. He was very lovely.
SPEAKER_03:The actual concept of the um show was basically food local people showing off their live music going on, wasn't there?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, so yeah, the day basically was like 35 bucks entry. You got five tokens to go around and do some tastings at different wine places or different alcoholic places throughout the day. They had lots and lots of food trucks there, they had live music, and the music was really good. Until the grinder sound went off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was funny. Yeah, so when they were playing the music, the grinder sound went off like when they're actually not playing the music, but like the the it was linked into the phone, wasn't it? He had his phone linked into the music, yeah, and it was yeah, and it went off. Oh, I know what that sound is. Um, but yeah, so yeah, that was um that was quite funny.
SPEAKER_03:But but look, there was a lot of lot of um products there, wasn't there? A lot of products, a lot of wine, obviously, but we're not wine connoisseurs, but the girls were.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, they they were definitely tasting those. There was some liqueurs and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_03:Gin and vodka and vodka.
SPEAKER_04:And and lots of liqueurs.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, there wasn't there weren't many beer though, was there?
SPEAKER_04:No, there wasn't many beers.
SPEAKER_03:There was a few, but not many, not that I thought it would be, you know.
SPEAKER_04:Yep, but um, but look, you it was it was great. The variety was really good. There's a couple of favourite, like the food was really good, like there was food trucks there and everything like that. And the Greek food that we went to was bloody delicious. Um, and then he was a local guy, wasn't he? He was the local, him and his wife were uh like she was Cypriot and he was Lebo, um, and all that kind of stuff, but he was quite hot as well for an older guy. There was a lot of hot guys there. So many hot men. I know so many hot men. I think we've been like all weeks in hot already. Yeah, hot men alert every fucking day, all week, yeah. Um, and but the sun was great. Yeah, the sun was sunshine was great. The conversation was great. Like yeah, I don't think there was a point in time when nobody stopped talking, right? There was no dead silence ever. Um, because we're all very conversational people, um, and to catch up with people when you haven't seen them for a little while is always really, really good, obviously.
SPEAKER_05:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:Um, but it's like we had so much to talk about with everyone. So, like the girls are planning their holiday, yep. Um, which is sounds amazing.
SPEAKER_03:Clear, clear and adam are planning their holiday as well.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, their holiday as well. And guess what? And oh, hang on. Before we go on that one, right? Before we go down to that one, right? Um, but there was one stall that we definitely have to mention, right? Yep, which was So High. So high. S O H I. Yeah. Two words. And they have an Instagram, and it's I can't remember what it is. I'm gonna do some searching.
SPEAKER_03:But Dave can explain to you. So basically, the guy that runs a store or owns it, his name is Alex, and he had a co um assistant with him. Um called was it Sarah? Sarah. Sarah. Um, lovely people, absolutely fantastic. So they run a distillery, or or should I say Adam. Alex, sorry. Alex owns the distillery, I think. Um, but he operates from barrel. Barrel? Barrel, how do you say that? Yeah, barrel, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:At Sip So High is their Instagram. S-I-P-S-O-H-I.
SPEAKER_03:Right. So yeah, so we got talking to them and he had a range of different gins. It was many gin, wasn't it? And very engaged in person, very supportive of the LGBTQ community. Yeah, very cute.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, we don't know whether he's gay by the weather. But I'm 90% certain that he's fluid. Fluid? Yeah. Or potentially up for but I think he might be. But he but either way, if you are and you listen, um we like you. Give us a shout out and I'll I'll drink your liqueur any day.
SPEAKER_03:Um but he had he made some cocktails with some of his gin liqueurs as well. Yeah, he made some cocktails. And they were awesome, they were delicious. And the good thing is he he could have taken tokens from us all the time, but he didn't, did he? Yeah, no, he did. He did the right thing. Yes, but what I'm saying, he did give us a lot more than what the tokens were.
SPEAKER_04:But but look, apart from that, like the chocolate liqueur, right? Yep. Oh my god, right, like just fucking absolutely divine, smooth, sexy chocolate liqueur, just with the ice cube. Um, it was it was like easy to drink, wasn't it? Melted in your mouth, and it just had this phenomenal flavour that was just like and he described it, he said that other people had described it as sexy in your mouth.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, um, and I thought, well, sex in your mouth tastes a bit different from anybody, but uh the good thing was he was saying like adding a bit of orange, orange and everything else into a japper, yeah, and it takes it turns it into a japper orange taste, which it which was awesome, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_04:You know, yeah, which we tried well, dad tried that today actually, because we went down to the Southern Highlands, we'll talk about that in a minute. Yeah, um, but dad tried that today and said it was end up selling dad a bottle of it as well.
SPEAKER_03:But he but they'd made some cocktails, hadn't they, as well? His own cocktails, yeah. And the one I like was the um Lotus. Yeah, I can't remember the name of it. Yeah, something or other thing lotus.
SPEAKER_04:Very, very nice, but it was really nice as well. So yeah, really, really engaging, really, really nice. Um, but like he definitely gets a special mention for being hot, but also for being ridiculously friendly as well. But if you get the chance, Bella Vista Farms, I think it's on roughly the same time every year, which is where are we? September, late September, early October.
SPEAKER_03:October, yeah. Early October. Yep.
SPEAKER_04:Um, yeah, and I think it was through Eventbrite that we actually bought the tickets. Okay. But if you just type in Bella Vista Farms and look at their events, um, they'll actually have what's available there.
SPEAKER_03:But also look out for some of the local, you know, food and wine fish. Because there was some amazing stuff there. We tried we tried some pickled um grapes as well, didn't we?
SPEAKER_04:That was awesome. But yeah, but but look, the big winner for me for the day was catching up with the friends. Yeah, I love that. That was really, really, really good. Yep.
SPEAKER_03:Um, what else have we been up to this week, Dave? Well, a lot's been happening. I mean, with the house, I mean it's just been on stagnant hold at the moment while I'm waiting for the finances to come through.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:Um but I've still been progressing with painting. So not stopping, but it's not doing nothing. It's just frustrating for me all in well for the moment. Yep. Um, but we did go out on Wednesday night. We didn't Panthers. We went to Panthers because at the moment they got a promotion on for winning cruises and cash. Yep. And we're like halfway, no, we're probably about three quarters of the way through the promotion now, aren't we? So they rammed it up a bit this week, and we had three cruises and two lots of$2,000 cash prizes.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and uh yeah, did anyone we win? Anyone we know when Dave?
SPEAKER_03:Um I think someone got pulled out on our table on the very last one, didn't they?
SPEAKER_04:I think his name was Dave. He was, yeah, and yeah, he won a trip to Queensland for two people for seven. Look, it's a nice local cruise, right? Straight up to Early Beach and back again. But it's like two nights at sea, two nights in Early Beach, and then two nights back, right?
SPEAKER_03:Um which is a look, it's a nice little break, but right, we've been given it's for two people, so yeah, both you and I go in in February. Um so obviously we'll look forward to that. Um, but also they've given us a balcony room. Balcony room, which we've never had, but again, I mean we've never sort of gravitated that sort of thing because you know we're never in the room long enough anyway, aren't we? But I guess we can fuck somebody over the balcony this time. Well, not just that, we can also see whether it's worth having the balcony because to be honest with you, I mean, we haven't necessarily needed one, have we? Yeah, we've done it, but yeah, but we can. We can just bang someone over the balcony. But the good thing is, well, the ship that we're going on, um Royal Caribbean, is the anthem of the seas, so it's a sister of the one that we went on. The quantum. So the layout is going to be very similar, so we'll be able to navigate right around that so quickly. Yep. And because we're only going for seven days, we won't need to take two suitcases, we'll only need to take one, maybe. No, we met you, right? Yeah, I know, right? Or maybe we'll take an empty one and just bring back a load of stuff. Because we're coming back to Sydney, so we'll have to fly back.
SPEAKER_04:There's not much that I need to buy from Queensland. No. Um, like I've already got 75 pairs of speedoes, so I think I'm pretty right.
SPEAKER_03:I don't think any other lot from L Beach anyway. Yeah, so um, yeah. Luckily, we might be able to go and swim in the Great Barrow Reef, which would be awesome. Yeah, because I've got snorkels and all that kind of stuff here. We'll see how that how it goes, you know, what the weather's like and you know how we're feeling at the time as well. Yep, but I also won't be really big.
SPEAKER_04:You did two. It's physically really big, uh, with two massive tomahawk stakes. I know, right? Um they look like saying oh Captain Caveman's sort of like they're enormous, they're right. Yeah, they're really really stones, in fact. Yeah, and and apparently they're really good, but we're gonna be taking those to um naked man camp, which is fast approaching very soon, yeah. Fast approaching, looking forward to it.
SPEAKER_03:We've got a lot coming up, haven't we? Really?
SPEAKER_04:We've got a lot coming up. So this weekend coming. It's not just to Newcastle. No, correct. Yeah, I've got coming up and going down. Absolutely. Correct. So we went today. We went to Barrel. We went to visit your little sister, big sister, big sister, big sister. Went up to Yerribul, um, which is where she lives. Um, they've never been up that way. And it's a lovely part of town. It is beautiful, and then from there we went into Barrel into a plan was to your parents or your dad my dad and his partner Marie. Um, they basically and my other sister and her husband. Um, the plan was originally to go to a it's like an old wares style antique sort of brick-a-brack kind of shop called Dirty Jane's, and it's fucking enormous. And it would take if you wanted to really go down there and go through it, yep, I'd say you're looking at a good three-hour taking your time, just wandering through and checking out every little nook and crave crevice of that place.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, it was a lot more expensive than I thought it would be. Yeah, given the location and given the type of um place it is.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, but there was some good shit in there. There was, there was some really good stuff in there, and you couldn't help yourself. I I had to buy it, so I seen these a set of um, and they were all like it was a complete set of Tupperware, um, the round cylinder, round tupperware containers, the burnt orange, right? Which I do like orange anyway, right? Um, but there's like a set of four, completely complete, um, not damaged, not marked or anything like that. They had a bit of dust on them. And it was 40, yeah, a bit of dust. I can clean that. Um, probably won't, but I can. Um, I will. Um, especially because I don't know which Nana had to be. They were more like biscuits containers, weren't they? Dead Nana had her biscuits in them, so I definitely will. But they're iconic because you recognize them and you know exactly what they are. You know what you're looking at straight away, and that's what I said. And Tupperware in itself, when it's brand new, is expensive, right? But this was 40 bucks for the four of them. So technically, I think it was quite a good price.
SPEAKER_03:It was a good buy for you because it was like a one-off and it was yeah, something you could have gone, you could have gone the other extreme and you could have bought everything in there and they're new. Oh, look, it it I did have to hold back on a few things.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03:Hold back on a few things because I thought, oh, that looks really cool. That really I can sort of like stop Matt from doing it is by saying, Do you really need this? Do you really? And then I grab holds yes. And I grab hold of him and pull him to the next segment.
SPEAKER_04:Did he can't look back anymore? He rubs grabs my wallet and runs away. Um grabbing balls and pulling forward. Okay, well that works too. But yeah, takes his mind on things dirty James, which was really good. Check it out. Absolutely. Um then we went to some pub. I don't know what the name of that place was. It's just up the road, isn't it? Yeah, just lift up the road across the road. It's obviously so ho so high. So high, yeah. And um, and it was um really good. Like it was just a nice food, cool old little pub. Yeah, and um, and the food was sensational, like it was lovely.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and it was quite quiet there, so it wasn't too bad. So we didn't have to wait too long for the food either, did we? Yeah, no, it was really cool. And then we walked across the road and took your dad and Marie into the Soho. Oh, yeah. So high So High and said hello to the lady that was in there and explained to her that we'd met Alex and Sarah at this show the week before, and yeah. And then your dad ended buying.
SPEAKER_04:He ended up buying a bottle of the um liqueur, chocolate liqueur as well, because he sort of went, Oh shit, that is really good. So um, yeah, so that was really good as well. So we helped create some business there. Now, before we get into this week's topic, all right. You got a confession? No, I don't have confessions. Um, you already know all my dirty secrets. Oh, and more fucking grinder. Jesus, that's been going off this week, hasn't it? For you, yeah. Oh, well, you don't have it, so that's why I'm not gonna do it.
SPEAKER_03:I know. Well I have it, but I don't use it because the thing is I know that if I open it, it'll just be the worst thing ever. And I haven't I've sustained for like three or four years now, even longer. Maybe five years.
SPEAKER_04:And you did that about all and I got in ding ding ding ding ding. I didn't say you opened scruff and you did that one, did you? Yeah, well, you can't open one without the other, despite picking your favourite child. But you weren't popular, yeah. I was, yeah, thank you. Fresh meat. Yeah, fresh meat to the area, definitely. Um, but yeah, but um check it out if you haven't got it yet. Yeah, okay, so our favourite favourite pop star. Um god, no, please don't. He's um he's come back with a new gender, which is who are we talking about?
SPEAKER_03:Sam Smith. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Sam Smith, right? He's now well he's not anything. Okay, so I can't say he's now, but I can't say they're now, because he's now void of gender, right? He's claimed that he's now void of gender.
SPEAKER_03:So what what's his what's his process? He's not entering the pronouns. No, but what I'm saying, what has his journey been so far? He's been they them, he was an oyster.
SPEAKER_04:He was he, he him first, yeah, then he went they them, which is a non-binary, right? Then he went to being an oyster, right? Then he went to Xeon, Xenon. No, he went xenophobe. No, that's a that's a person that doesn't, that's a racism person. Okay, sorry. Um he went to something else. I thought it was Xeon. Zenon. Oh like an alien. Yeah, he was yeah, he was an alien or something for a while there. Um then he went to being a it wasn't starfish or something like that, it was something else something else. But now he's void gender, yeah, um, which basically means that he's not answering to pronouns at all, which is gonna be really tricky and really tricky for anyone in the media um reporting on Sam. Okay, that's all the Sam. Because even the place that actually announced this on the internet put he in the title, which is funny as far. Because I'm sitting there going, you've just sat there and said he is no longer referring to pronoun, no longer answering to pronouns. And I'm sitting there going, Well, you've just used a pronoun in this actual project. Do you reckon he will answer to Sam though? He'll answer to Sam. Do you reckon? We'll soon find out. We'll soon find out when he calls us and says, Can you two stop talking about me? And I'll go, I'm not sad or stop fucking changing your pronouns or I mean your pronouns.
SPEAKER_03:The sad thing is, I mean, he's a great performer.
SPEAKER_04:Such a great singer, such a great sad way to see him, you know, lose.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I don't know why. I don't know whether it's a tension for media. I don't know whether it's like just to keep him relevant. Or has he got some sort of like mental illness that he's going through like Brittany had? Who knows?
SPEAKER_04:Like, but I don't I like I genuinely like and I I get pronouns, right? I get they, them, I get he, her, she, him. Yeah, um, all of them, right? But I just don't get what he does, right? And I'm and it makes a bit of a mockery out of anyone that is wanting to change their binary, who want who who wants to sit differently on the binary than you would outwardly perceived.
SPEAKER_03:It reinforces the people that are negative about it in the first place. It gives them a lot of it.
SPEAKER_04:It gives them a voice exactly. The stupid little stupidity level gives them a voice. So it's it's it could almost be a pet peeve, um, but but it's not. So yeah, but um, but yeah, so that's our Sam Smith update. Um, I'm sure we'll come to you in a couple of weeks' time saying that he's decided he's now going to be a frit loop or a fucking moon or something else. Maybe Sailor Moon, who knows? Exactly. So pretty much that week.
SPEAKER_03:But yeah, but we're going up to Newcastle next week, aren't we? The end of this week.
SPEAKER_04:Newcastle Pride, end of this week, yeah, pretty much. So yeah. And what were we doing up there? In Newcastle Pride. We're staying in an Airbnb for a couple of nights. We're catching up with the ladies, taking the dogs and taking catching up with Sammy. Yep. Um, and I'm not sure if Kylie's gonna be there. Hopefully, I think she is. I think so. I think so, yeah. Yep, yeah. So yeah, so it'll be really cool to catch up with those girls, and a few other people.
SPEAKER_03:And quite a few other people, hopefully. Um we might try and catch up, we must mention, um, you know, contact our friends at the time.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, we've got to contact we yeah, we do need to send message Scott and Simon Simon and say, hey, we're coming to Newcastle. Like you go into the show. Are you guys going to Pride? Yep. We were gonna do that last week and we we'll have it. Yeah, we can make it. We'll message them straight after this, otherwise we will forget. Yep. Right? We will forget, right? Logged in. Um, locked in, all right. Um that was pretty much it.
SPEAKER_03:So I think we should uh hit the button and move on to the next segment.
SPEAKER_04:Well, there ain't no button for this one. We don't have a button. You have nothing? We don't have a button for the segment, so let's just go straight in to this week's segment, right? Which is all about truths, the human body, freedom, and the fascination of being seen. So in a nutshell, exhibitionism, voyeurism, and voyeurism, and nudism. Nudism. Nudism? Is that the word? Well naturalist, being a naturalist?
SPEAKER_03:Naturalist, naturist. Um, you've also got things such as streaking, public nudity, lore and culture. So we'll be it's all like touch and base on all these. All of the above, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So we know we both know a little bit about being above. We've done a few things, but not all of them. And I definitely know a little bit about being an exhibitionist. I was an exhibitionist. Well, yeah, so I guess what is the difference? What what what is the difference, Dave, between a nudist and exhibitionist?
SPEAKER_03:Well, I'll read through the definition of an exhibitionist. The definite definition of an exhibitionist is the act of exposing one's body off in the genitals to others, sometimes for shock, excitement, or arousal.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. And see, for me, I'll I'll do the nudist or naturalism, right? Yeah, it's the definition is being a naturalist or nudist means choosing to go without clothes in an appropriate setting, like beaches, camps, or private homes for comfort, freedom, body acceptance, and connection with nature, right? So it's usually non-sexual, yeah, right? It's usually contextual, so it's done in private places and stuff like that, and it's philosophy-based. Um, and guess what?
SPEAKER_03:We've done both. We've done both. Um the way I say that we've done both is basically with the exhibition inside. I mean, when we go to church, we put on performances and we have people watching us. Yeah. So it is a kind of exhibition this is. Oh, it is. I'm not being watched. But what I'm saying is it's not out into like sometimes the exhibition is goes way beyond like things like fools of and stuff like that, where people are actually in the Folsom Parade, yeah, in San Francisco. Where people are actually engaging in sexual acts in public, yeah, and it's allowed.
SPEAKER_04:I can't okay, yeah, where it's allowed. So you can I have you been caught, haven't you? Well, you know, but that wasn't public sex, that was actually private area. But I have engaged in public sex.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. Oh, we have your man camp.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, no, okay, but that's and that's an actual camp where you're actually so I've we've also engaged in a bit of sex um at the back of Birdie Beach.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, so we have actually engaged in exhibitionism there as well. That's right. No, not supposed. We did. Okay. Um, not supposed.
SPEAKER_03:It's it's it's it's weird because it's it's a fine line, isn't it? It is fine line.
SPEAKER_04:Well, that's what I said that like the the naked beach is there for naturism. Yeah, we've got to be a bit more than a lot of what goes on in the back in the in the in the back of the is more about the sand dunes. Yeah, yeah, it's it's about that. So I know I've done that in in um obelisk beach as well. Yeah, back in my day. Okay. Um, and sort of basically in the in the rocks at the back there and all that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_03:I suppose, yeah, because people are watching anyway, aren't they?
SPEAKER_04:People like and watching.
SPEAKER_03:And we were watching. I love being watched. And what's the definition of person watching? It's voyeurism. Voyeurism, yeah. And the definition of voyeurism is the act of gaining pleasure and curiosity from watching others who are nude or engaged in sexual activity. So they all link into each other. Yeah, of course they do. So it's very interesting. But there are people I know that just specify and just particularly like voyeurism only. They will go there and they will just watch, do nothing themselves, but just watch and watch and watch. And they obviously have that kink in themselves to want to.
SPEAKER_04:That's for me, I want to be part of it. Yeah, exactly. I I want to be um definitely watched. Um, I definitely want to I love being watched. Um so what's the definition of naturism then? Naturism. I just read that out. No, you said nudism. That's no naturism, same. Naturism and nudism.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, harmony and nature with non-sexual okay. Correct. Okay, correct, correct, correct. What about streaking? Streaking is just running naked in public spaces, yeah. Okay, yeah. So there's lots of um differences between them. So because we we were talking, I've said to you before we started doing this topic, it was going to be comparing straight versus gay sort of like aspect. So in the gay culture, say exhibitionism is sometimes linked to liberation, breaking shame, embracing erotic confidence, for example, like pride parades and fetish clubs and stuff like that. Yeah, whereas in the straight community, the stra the culture of boyrigging is it can be seen as taboo and deviant through the through the sorry, it can also appear to be nightful, artful, and performance-based, like burlesque or strip clubs and only fans. Yep. So again, there is a little bit of a difference take on it, you know what I mean, but it's still classified as exhibitionism.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, correct.
SPEAKER_03:Correct, correct. We tend to go down the path of being more launching and a bit more out there, don't we?
SPEAKER_04:Well, well, the thing is that we're in a sex club when we do it generally now, nowadays, right? Because again, too much to lose to go and do it. Well, maybe not, because we did it not too long ago, actually.
SPEAKER_03:But there's nothing, there's nothing, there's no straight community that does like foolsome, is there? Is there is there is a I don't know. What's the naked man? The naked not the naked man, the burning man. Is that like Burning Man? No, that's just a big dance party type thing. But sex happens there. I don't know. It does. Okay, I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:I'm not there, and I'm definitely not straight. I would like to go there. Uh Burning Man. Yeah, the burning. That'd be cool. It'd be awesome. That'd be a cool party.
SPEAKER_03:But there's definitely definitely different categories of people there. There's like sex happens, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. Well, sex happens everywhere, Dave.
SPEAKER_03:I know, right?
SPEAKER_04:Everywhere. So, um, yeah, but look for me, um, I do like so so I wasn't into the whole naked thing, right? Until I guess I met you. Um you say I'm a bad person. Yeah, you're a bad influence or a good influence. Bad influence. So it wasn't until I actually went to Naked Man first the first time, which was the the only time that I'd been, up until this year. Can't wait to go again. Yep. Um, but like I was very much shy and self-conscious and not sheltered, but shy and self-conscious. Now I already knew that I had a decent sized dick, right? People told me I've got a nice dick in that, but it was just walking around with it soft, like I'm talking hard, it's decent size, right? But walking around with it soft, it was always a bit like I was always under the impression that it was nothing.
SPEAKER_03:Everybody compares themselves and they money's all like I know that. Unless you've got you know a grower, not a grower, a shower, yeah, then you're you're fine.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but I like to be nude for me was definitely uncomfortable. Yeah, because I remember turnips and you were already there, weren't you? Yeah. And it was just like, oh fuck, this is this is tough, right? This is a really tough thing. It didn't stop you going, did it? No, no, no. I still no, I because when you mentioned it to me, no, no, no, when you originally mentioned it to me, I paid the money and bought the ticket straight away. Yeah, right, because I knew that had I put too much thought into it, that I would chicken out. I knew that for a fact, right? Um, so I decided that I was going to commit to it and I was gonna do it, right? And I was gonna just bowls out.
SPEAKER_03:So did my my description of the camp to you did it, did it meet up to what I was telling you, or did it surpass it or no?
SPEAKER_04:The the camp superseded my expectations, and I would recommend anyone go to it. You can't now because the tickets are sold in. I'm not gonna be in quicker. Um, but I would recommend anyone, be they straight, gay, otherwise, men only. I mean, no, saying that there was a female transition. Yeah, but she was transitioning, so so you've got to be male presenting, yeah, um, or male identifying. Um now, I would recommend even my straight mates, because there doesn't have to be sex involved, right? Um, there if you want to partake in the massage and stuff like that, chances are you're gonna get a rub, right? But the thing is, but there is the other events that are there um that don't involve any kind of sex whatsoever.
SPEAKER_03:But the the the actual main concept of this thing is social.
SPEAKER_04:It's social, it's learning and accepting each other.
SPEAKER_03:Accepting each other and your own. They don't they don't push the sex on people, they encourage you to probably abstain in some classes because they want you to experience what the actual class is about, which is about getting off in a way that you're learning how to pleasure yourself without you know without circulating.
SPEAKER_04:So Naked Man camp is more around the nudism and naturalism more than anything else, as far as From my perspective.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but they I mean I I think turn you know there is elements of the exhibition as well because there are areas such as the library, yeah, where sex happens and there's a lot of people there. So people are watching other people. So it's a little bit of everything, I think, you know. Yeah. So um, yeah, so you know, it's a mixture of both, but yeah, that's this is not new either.
SPEAKER_04:So this is not new. So when we're talking nude, right? Being naked, being nude, right? Um, ancient civilizations, like Greece and Rome, um, nude represented purity, um, athleticism, and art, not shame. So the Olympics were first held naked, right? Which makes sense, yeah. Correct. And can you imagine the Olympics now naked? Oh, that'd be a few Tom Daly diving off that fucking pole with his dick swinging. Oh, yeah, with that giant dick as well, yeah. Fucking hell.
SPEAKER_03:Or like I think there'd be a few more post-knocking downs.
SPEAKER_04:Or what's his name? Um, Matt Shervington running with that thing fucking just swinging rather than hidden in that those little big things. But there's also a few people I don't think I want to see naked as well. Kathy Freeman with the flaps blown in the wind. That's not nice. I love Kathy Freeman. I loved her too, and but I still don't want to see her big black flaps flying in the wind. That's just not what I want to see.
SPEAKER_03:Can you imagine a gymnast doing it? They'd be fucking hot when they do it. Yeah, but no fever.
SPEAKER_04:See the Russian gymnast. I can just see Nadia Kommilic doing it on the high beam and getting stuck to it.
unknown:Oh dear God.
SPEAKER_03:It's when you do the the the pommel bottom, not the uh the pommel horse.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That'd be good. That's a guy to do that.
SPEAKER_04:Well, not if they've got the period. If they've got the period, can you imagine the championship? If you wanted to fly out and kill someone, please don't. Please don't. I'm just like the swimming would be good. But swimming would be great, but yeah, you're you'd need an underwater camera um or backstroke so they've got the periscope up, yeah. Because a lot of these wrestlers automatically get hard-ons as well.
SPEAKER_03:Of course they do.
SPEAKER_04:Because when they're touching each other and rubbing each other. So wrestling naked is good. Yep. Yep. I gotta have that at Naked Man Camp this year. Oil wrestling. Oil wrestling. I'm so down for that. I know you are. I'm so down for that. I'm waiting for you.
SPEAKER_03:You won't be down when you're on the I'll be down when you're gonna be fucking up.
SPEAKER_04:I swear to god. My god. I wonder if I can just like douche once and like never have I don't think I can eat for four days that way I'm ready the whole time. Um you'll be fine. Yeah, I'll be fine. Um, yeah, so okay, so um the nudity started to become, I guess, a bit um taboo in religious shit when religion kicked in with Christianity and the late Victorian ideals. Um it became a sin and immoral.
SPEAKER_03:Well that's really weird, isn't it? How things change and how things again, like we're going full circle. Yeah. You know, we judge one minute, then we're free to do what we want to do.
SPEAKER_04:Well, then we're judged and free, you know, the 20th century liberation, the 1960s and 70s, the sexual revolution, um, revived naturalism, body freedom, and the erotic self-expression.
SPEAKER_03:And then we go full circle back again by being stereotyped and being, you know, judged.
SPEAKER_04:And I guess today, people, anyone wears anything too small, or anything like that, they're automatically seen, shunned. Yeah. Like you know what I mean. So the thing is that it does go through circles and through ebbs and flows.
SPEAKER_03:So answer ask me this. Oh, answer this question. So when you're in a gymnasium, right? A gym, and you go to the public showers and it's like open showers, yeah. Is that class as nudism? That'll be, yeah, yeah, it's nudism. That's what I'm saying. So everybody engages in it.
SPEAKER_04:Oh no, because there's a lot of guys that won't nude up in those.
SPEAKER_03:No, but what I'm saying is the the element of nudism does happen in those environments. Oh, yeah, 100%, yeah, 100%. So now would you say exhibition does as well? It does to a certain degree, doesn't it? It does to a degree because again because you know that you've seen people engaging in sex.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I definitely have, and maybe have engaged myself occasionally. Exactly. Um, so yeah, so there yeah, it is, and there's a little bit of a risk factor and it's got some voyeurism voyage. Voyeurism, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're getting caught. So again, so there's a common link between all of them, really, isn't there? Yeah, one of the one of the swimming pools I go to, they have like the open showers in the city. Um, right. Um, well, there's quite a few in the city that have the open showers and all that kind of stuff. So you stand there and you've got your dick out, obviously. Well, if you're like me. Um, and yeah, you're just hoping and you're catching glimpses left, right, and centre and fighting.
SPEAKER_03:But you're not, you but you're not putting yourself out there in terms of baiting people and and hooking up. You're not. You're you're you're seeing if anybody else is interested. Yeah, you can potentially cruise if you're not. Yeah, you're cruising, but you're not going there for sex. No, no, no, exactly.
SPEAKER_04:No, not wholly and solely, no, no, no, you're going there for exercise.
SPEAKER_03:But obviously, looking at people classifies as voyeurism, I suppose. Yeah, 100%. So, you know, but purving we call it because that's easier. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it is, isn't it? Correct, it is. It is, it is.
SPEAKER_04:So, um yeah, so what about the the history connection, the gay gay side versus the straight? So I guess in gay culture, public nudity and exhibition became political statements, um, especially during times of represent um repression repression and stuff like that. Um, whereas gay saunas, nude beaches, and pirate events were all about reclaiming our bodies and society had changed us for being here.
SPEAKER_03:Well, and I think it has definitely. Yeah, it's allowed people to be themselves because when we go to the naked man camp, there's all different sizes, yeah, different ages and different things.
SPEAKER_04:Even if you look, oh no, that's probably a bad example, Mardi Gras. Um, like Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras is about showing your body, like for a lot of people. People do. They do, they do. Yeah. Um, excuse me. Um, but um Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Yeah, no, it's a good thing. It's good for that. It's good, but there is very much. Oh, no, okay. I want to say that there's very much a body conscious if you don't fit the right kind of body.
SPEAKER_03:So you're saying you can't be part of our group unless you've got this type of body.
SPEAKER_04:Unless you've got that type of body, which is kind of a negative, and that's within the culture as well. That's within culture, but then there is also, I guess, the other um groups like like say you've got the the lifesavers, which are always got that really lean, fit, hot bodies, and all that kind of stuff. Same with um, but the bears then do go the other way, yep. Um, and basically they represent, I guess, what they say is body positivity, yeah. Whereas when I look at it sometimes and I think it is body positivity, and you can be body positive at any weight you want, yeah, but there's also a health factor to it as well. That's very true. That's very true. Um, so just look after yourself, boys, please. Um, you can't be a bigger boy and look after yourself. No, you can be a big boy. You can be a bigger boy and look after yourself, right? You can be fitter than me. You can fucking run a marathon and be a bigger boy.
SPEAKER_03:Horses for courses, isn't it?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, everybody's for everybody.
SPEAKER_03:Horses, horses. I'm not I'm not into bestiality, Dave. I love the way they're hungry. Um so what about in terms of that was the gay side of things. What about the Strait Society in terms of their um history base?
SPEAKER_04:Well, it was, I guess, for the Straight Society, it was heterosexuals, it was nudity was often commercialised in advertising, Hollywood, and pinup culture, but released in public. So it was like Playboys, um, penthouse, all that kind of stuff. Similar, and all those magazines.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so that's even H you've ever heard of H E? The magazine was like the naturist one.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, I do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do. Because I used to when I was a young boy, and I used to take myself off into the city, right? Because I would basically go into the city on the train and I disappear for the whole day pretty much. Now how old would this be? Oh, yeah. Okay, right. So I would take myself in there with the intent, with a purpose, as far as my mum was concerned, because I was going to Ashwoods, which was a music store back in the day, it was in Pitt Street, right? Um, and I would go in there to look through all the vinyl records and stuff like that. And you would have done that as well. And I did that, I did that definitely. Um, but I would get lost in the city and I would find myself upstairs usually in some kind of adult bookshop, right? And I'd pick up like a lot of the porn mags back in the day were wrapped in plastic. Yeah. Right. So you couldn't just flick through them and all that kind of stuff. But the HE, like the nature ones, weren't.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So I'd flick through those while I was in those stores and stuff like that. Yeah. And look and and um have a look at the dicks in there, right? And sort of stuff like that. Yep. So I rem I do remember those. Yeah. Um, and then yeah, I do remember. Were you thinking back in the 1960s? From back then. I remember I remember I was looking through one of those magazines, yeah, and one of the guys behind the counter said, Oh, if you want to look at any of the others, just let me know. I can give it to you, unwrap it, and you can have a look down the back, right? And I went out old you were. But then again, there wasn't questioned by them, it wasn't questioned, and I went back and looked at sort of a gay magazine and sort of he came back and he blew me. Um, okay, yeah, and um it was like really hot back in the day.
SPEAKER_03:Of course it would have been. I mean, you know, we all fantasize about that now, but back in the day it happened. Yeah, yeah. But you look back in the 1950s and 60s, you know, exhibitionism and boyism and and nudism was like the the families would go on holidays together, camping, naked, camping, the whole family, mother, father, son, daughters, and everything.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but there still are c some families. Well, there's still a lot of families that are actually really okay with nudity. Like there's nothing wrong with you talking about. Listen to Carl and Jackie O, right? Our our main competitors, obviously. Yep. Um, all right, we're coming for you guys, number one spot. Um about 20 minutes. Shown to Amanda, look out. All right, we're taking over your breakfast radio programme. Um, could you imagine? That'd be awesome. But anyway, um, but Cooper Johns, his family are very open and very naked because he says that he'll get his mum to have a look at a fucking something on his dick.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, I think yeah, gentle walts or something like that. Or something like that, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Or crabs or something like that, and he got his mum to have a look at it and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_03:He said she got it really close and personal. Really close. But he didn't care because he's been brought up that way, yeah. Because they're very okay with it. And again, I think you know, when you're in a family environment, as long as it's all sort of like, you know, normal and there's nothing untowards, or the body is a normal thing. It's and I think it's important that children accept their bodies as well, because so many people grow up fearing everything because they've never been exposed to other people's bodies, especially their mum or dad. Or you know, some people have obviously don't have parents or they've lost their parents or they can't compete on nude friends day. What with our friends? Yeah, what do you mean?
SPEAKER_04:Have everyone come over and just have a naked party. Do you reckon they would? No.
SPEAKER_03:Exactly.
SPEAKER_04:Do you reckon I would?
SPEAKER_03:You would.
SPEAKER_04:I mean I think most of them have seen your cock anyway. Yeah, most of them have. They've probably seen it on bloody only fans.
SPEAKER_05:Shut up, Dave.
SPEAKER_04:I've seen it on my ex. Yeah. I found out I realised that that's actually linked my Instagram.
SPEAKER_03:What?
SPEAKER_04:My ex.
SPEAKER_03:Is it really?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Holy shit. And so, and I don't want to. Well, as in all your content. Yeah, just because okay, so I don't post anything per se on X, right? But I reply to people on X occasionally with a dick pic because like they'll have a dick pic. Yeah. Right. They'll have a dick pic and then it'll say, like, post your dick pics here, right? Oh, really? So so I have, and I realized that if you click on my Insta, like my personal one, not this, not the fully grown homos one, right? You can actually click through to the X and see my dick. Hey girls. Oh, I don't give a fuck who sees my dick. And my I'm sure a lot of my friends don't want to see my dick. Um, you've shown them enough time to show them. I've shown a lot of people my pictures, and I've especially the one I'm very proud of, you know, which one that's sort of like my pump, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I know, right? Yep. But anyway, we diverse and we digress. Really? That's unusual for us. I know, right? So basically for heterosexuals, nudity was often commercialised, like you said, in advertising Hollywood, pin ups, and culture.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but it was acceptable when it was profitable.
SPEAKER_03:But again, it says double standards, nudity is acceptable when profitable, but taboo when personal or political. And that's exactly true. Society is so fucked. That's so fucked. It's double standards for everything. Everyone, get your kid off. Tomorrow on the trains, I want to see everyone naked. Yep. Let's enforce it today, but you know, we'll make some money from you, but then you know, guess what? You're gonna be thrown in jail tomorrow because you you you're breaking the law. Yeah. So, what about the psychological things um that happen with sexual uh perspectives, man?
SPEAKER_04:So you mean why people engage in these acts? Yeah, I mean, you know, because it's obviously a big thing. So I guess I guess the number one would be freedom and authentic freedom and authenticity, right? The joy of being unmasked and returning to a natural primal state. Now, I can confirm that's true, right? After that four days at Naked Man, right, I come out of there a different person, yeah. In a positive way. In a positive way, yeah, yeah, for sure. Look, I mean, apart from the workshops that we did at that session, that camp, right, which were great uh and really good at getting in touch with yourself and getting learning how to accept yourself wholly and solely, right? Um, but just even the state of being naked around 300 other men, yep, and just looking at because I won't say you didn't look, because you looked nonstop.
SPEAKER_03:Yep, right.
SPEAKER_04:I was looking at dicks non-stop.
SPEAKER_03:But we're gonna be doing a podcast when we go there, aren't we? Yeah, we're gonna be doing that. We'll take the portable mics and stuff like that and ask some other people how they feel. Um we'll work it out. Yeah, we'll work it out. But we're gonna hopefully do a few podcast sessions while we're there. Yeah, talking to different people about their journeys and what they're getting from it. Yeah, what they do. Interviewing Kurt and Lewis, who are the organizers, who are fantastic people, beautiful people. Yep. And you know, and all the time. Hopefully, some of the facilitators and facilitators are great as well, you know what I mean? So but we're gonna chat with some people. It's gonna be fun. Yeah, um, hopefully the weather's gonna be good because sometimes they've changed it from being a January, February time to a November. So we have been there when it's been fucking cold at night. Yeah, but also we've had rain as well.
SPEAKER_04:Which is fucking hysterical because everyone's walking around with their bloody audies on with their dicks hanging out the back.
SPEAKER_03:I know they try and they try and keep to be safe and so how did you feel though when you because I remember the very first time I went, I've been going for quite a few years. Yeah, I remember I went on my own. Again, it was a big thing for me to do. You know, I've been to Sun Boys, which again is an exhibition, sort of like uh a nude party at one of the person's houses, and it was like again, like 45 years old.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but Sunny Boys and again, correct me if I'm wrong. Sunny Boys is set up as a nudist, but it's almost a nudist that turns into an orgy.
SPEAKER_03:Well, in areas, because I mean it was limited to spaces, yeah, but it was just a very sociable thing. But obviously, sex did happen, so yes. Um, but again, having gone to those gave me the confidence to go to the naked man, because that's how I found out about it. Um, but again, my first time going there, I remember waking up, and the natural thing for me to do was put my clothes on. Because it's how I've always been, especially because you've got a piss heart on, you'd sit there going, Well, how do I just walk around with it? It just felt unnatural to start with, yeah, because you're just walking around. Yeah, and you're thinking, I'm missing something.
SPEAKER_04:Well, the thing is, I and I guess the thing for me waking up with morning wood, because I'm still lucky at 54 to be able to do that, which is great.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:Um, but especially when I'm lying next to some sexy man or men or many men. Um, but like you wake up with a heart on the morning and you think I need to go and pee, but you sit there going, but I want this to go down, but then you realise real quick that it doesn't actually matter because a lot of guys are actually walking around in a semi-hard state or a hard state, um, a different part of the thing, and it's not necessarily a sexual, it's just a rouse because that's the body's way of actually reacting to what they're seeing, right?
SPEAKER_03:So it's like pretty cool. You know, you've got to give yourself a name this time, don't you? To the camp.
SPEAKER_04:What do you mean?
SPEAKER_03:You've got to give yourself a name that you've chosen for yourself. I'll just stick with Matt, thanks. No, you're gonna be Sir Cumalot. I'm not gonna be Sir Cumolot, anyway.
SPEAKER_04:Because that speeches on you. Yes, okay, whatever. Okay. Um, yeah, yeah, and you can be Sir Drink a lot. Um I'm the throat goat. Yeah, yeah, you are so um, I guess some of the other reasons um why people engage in these acts is um rebellion, right? Defying so societal control embody shame. And why do you think people rebel? Because society says we can't be naked. Exactly. Right. So fuck society. And I guess that we can't fuck society completely because it is against the law. I know, but why not? Not to be naked in public, which it shouldn't be. I know, right, right? Like I think we've we've made enforcing shame. I know, right? This is exactly what I'm saying. It's enforcing shame, yep, and body issues. Yeah, so so the thing is that I guess the more you can get away with not wearing clothes at home where it is actually legal to be completely naked in your own home.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:Um, do it. Absolutely and walk past that mirror 150 times, right? Yep. Um, because what that will do, it will actually promote body positivity within yourself, yeah, right, which will help you overcome insecurities, trauma, and imposed ideals.
SPEAKER_03:And where are the traumas lays? Because society puts those traumas on you. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, social media is like I said, it's a double standard thing, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_04:Social media is the best and the worst. Now, look, um, and and I'm talking, okay, so when people say body body positivity, right, everyone automatically thinks that we're talking about larger people. Exactly, and that's exactly how society's made us think. However, body positivity, I've got a friend of mine, um, a guy, friend, straight friend, right? Yeah, who is finds it really hard, really hard to put any weight on. And he's probably like lucky to be 75 kilos, dripping wet, and he's six foot tall, right? So he's a really lean, really thin guy, right? Now he goes to the gym seven days a week, he eats an absolute shit ton of food, just so that he can actually sort of get to a reasonable weight, right? He doesn't feel good about himself, right? He like so the body positivity, when I'm talking body positivity, is not necessarily about the bigger people thinking that it's good to be bad, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Like be you. But the thing is, it also makes people go down the path of being anorexic and stuff like that because society makes you feel insane about yourself. Yeah, like I said, I mean it's it's it's a it's a bad way of like you know enforcing you know your own body, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, other things you've got like erotic arousal um for exhibitionists and voyages, uh voyeurism, yeah, um the act of triggering excitement and connection. Again, so people, it's like it's like two different areas of this, isn't there? Yeah I mean yeah so you've got the excitement and the and the sort of like the negativity part of it, haven't you?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but but look at and again I guess I get it. Because again, engaging in sexual acts in front of people.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I think I think to be honest with you, remember when the first time you ever had an orgasm? The excitement of it, the the scariness of it. I remember that's so far ago. I didn't even wank when I fucking first came. No, it just came out and I was like, what the fuck's going on? Yeah, well, I've had many witch. But we didn't have we didn't have Google, we didn't have all those things back in the 80s. No, but I had my dad's pornos. Oh I know, but what I'm saying is you had to learn, and you had to learn by asking questions or participating.
SPEAKER_04:Oh I wouldn't have ever asked my parents questions. We just learned. Oh, we just I don't know. How did you know what Product's Pussy was? Fuck you, go fuck yourselves. Listen to the last episode of Miami Club. That's for you. Um, but because I've seen thousands of them. Um yeah. Um, like look, we learnt by, I guess, and we would have learned from the other questions, exactly. No, but other boys and stuff like that, because like we did the whole idea to do this, I dare you to do that, I dare you to do that, which it then came from, I guess, older boys experimented with younger boys, with no, and I'm not talking in pedophilia, pedophilia and all that kind of stuff like that. We're talking about the same age group, sort of same age group, maybe like a couple of years older or a year older or something like that. Experimenting, yeah, experimenting and stuff like that. Because I know that as a group of boys, we all used to go camping in our backyards, yeah, and we'd basically dare each other to do naked push-ups. And you know what? And we grab at each other's dicks and we'd sit there and we go, Oh, dear, you've got a bigger dick than me. Is your dick bigger hard? Let's see what it's like.
SPEAKER_03:And we'd all sit there and even with all the technology and stuff now, the younger folk now, the Gen Z and all the people that are going through that, still do it. They still engage in like fun fun play banter, and you know, they grab each other and laugh about it because I think it's just natural. Yeah, well, it's fun, it's also fun, and it's called experimenting as well. And that's where the community, you know, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Well, that's the other the other reason, I guess, why people engage in these acts is community, and it's finding acceptance in spaces where everyone is equal regardless of body type or background. So and again, that that is naked man personified, right? If that if I was to say what is it in the quote, it is basically that it's finding acceptance in space where everyone is equal regardless of body type, yeah, um, or background. Because by the end of that session or that course, that four-day camp, you really do feel equal. You do, right? You feel at one with each other, um but you feel refreshed as well, don't you? The guys that walk around, like Ryan, the guy that has that big swinging cock, right? Fucking the hot one, we all follow him, yeah. Right, um, and even the American guys, the super hot guys that had the big cocks and that walked around so hot all the time, right? They're just equals. Like we were all just chatting on like and like yeah, it wasn't anything like we were all um so what what do you think um is the main motivation between the gay and the straight side of this side of things with the exhibitionists, for instance? Well, I think for for the gay, the exhibitionism is often tied to liberation from representation, celebrating visibility, masculinity, and erotic openness, right?
SPEAKER_03:Um I think it's more repression, isn't it? You know, being repressed against them saying, Yes, I'm gonna fucking come out and do this because I can fucking do it, you know.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and I think for the straight exhibition, there's more individual, thrill-based, sometimes playful, but often framed as deviant when not commercialized. Exactly.
SPEAKER_03:So you're talking about OnlyFans and stuff like that, really, aren't you? Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, and again, that's that's it's taken off so much. I mean, it's almost like you know in hell. Like there's so many people on OnlyFans now, isn't there? I wish I had bought shares in OnlyFans. I know, right. Right? Like we'll come up with the concept. I'll come up with the concept. But you think how many millionaires have been made from this? Oh, well, it's like I said, it's a good money-making thing.
SPEAKER_04:I've told you about a friend of mine who he's a gay guy, and he basically had a one of his girlfriends say to him, Oh, I've got one of my um requesters or whatever they're called, one of my customers, for want of a better word, yeah, has basically requested that I order an Uber and I get in the back of the Uber and think of myself, right? Um, can you pretend to be the Uber driver? I'll drive around, film myself, and think of myself, I'll give you a thousand bucks. And he went, Yeah, okay, because this guy was paying her like 15k or something just to do this, right? Um, and he had an exclusive contract to that video for like I think it was like 14 weeks or something like that. But after that, then she was allowed to use it. Well, she uploaded that video after the original content or something like that.
SPEAKER_05:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:Um, and she made millions off it, yeah, right. Like literally like having a record label, having to write it with a salt. Like it went crazy, and so she threw him an extra 5k. Right. That's good. Uh which is just like holy fuck just for driving, right? Yep. Like, uh I'll look Miami. If you want to finger yourself in the back of a van and sell the things to her, but like, and I will turn her and tell you to tuck your prolapse in. Um I think you've got a prolapse coming your way, I think. Yeah, no, I think my Miami would be great on OnlyFans. Oh, she is. She would be obviously.
SPEAKER_03:She's so body confident as well. Yeah, yeah, because she is. She's great. She's very curvy, but she's very voluptuous and stuff like that. Yeah, exactly. I think she loves it so. What about things like voyeurism? What do you think the uh the motivations there?
SPEAKER_04:Um look, I guess I think it's a common thing there, isn't it? Yeah, I think it is. Voyeurism, everyone likes to watch. That's the taboo of getting caught watching somebody and stuff like that. Look, again, I know that in my life over different times I've watched people, would you? No, not my parents. No, but I'm saying but I have, I have. Now I didn't jerk off or anything like that, but I kept watching my brother when he came home from prison when he was younger, um, because he was a naughty boy when he was younger, and um he robbed a bank or two. Um went away, no, only two. Um went away and then came back out. And he basically was living in a van in the back of our house. And I'd looked out the window one day and I could see straight in the van, and he was banging away at his um girlfriend at his home, which is now his wife, um, um a million years later, right? Um and um um and all I could see was his little bum going up and down, up and down, up and down, and that's all I could see. I couldn't see anything else. But I kept watching, it was it was exciting to watch. Um, it wasn't you were wanking at the same time. No, I wasn't working. No, no, no, no. I thought you said I was wanking at the bottom. No, I said I wasn't. God no, that's my brother. That's that's why I was putting those faces because I was like, No, I thought you were pulling those faces. No, no, you're not. Um yeah, um, but yeah, voyeurism is it's it's um I think everybody does it at some point. Yeah, even when you watch them.
SPEAKER_03:You can't help it.
SPEAKER_04:You can't you can't help it if you see something naughty.
SPEAKER_03:But when you're in urine urinals, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Urinals urinals or urinals. Urinals. Fucking hell. No, you're gonna make me say the wrong way.
SPEAKER_03:I know, right? Um I thought it uh convert uh I thought I would you I can't I can't even thought you'd fucking learn how to speak Australian.
SPEAKER_04:No, I thought I would like convert you. You're not gonna convert me. Um anyway, so yeah, we don't know. Yeah, voyeurism is is it's it's a risk factor involved.
SPEAKER_03:And I think often, you know, the thing with nudism and naturism again is often sexually motivation.
SPEAKER_04:No, it's non sexual, no, it's non-sexual, yeah, non-sexual, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Sorry, yeah, so um are very similar again because people often just relaxation, comfort, and connection with nature, just getting your kit off and having a good tan, you know what I mean? Yep, which is great. But we must remember to put some sun cream on our delis.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, yes, I say so. Let's do some tips. Let's let's not go through any more of this. Let's just do some tips for being naked in public. Okay, well, we can, whatever you want, because there seems to be a lot more to go through there. Um, but yeah, not interested in that, not interested in that, not if there's anything you want to talk about. But I think some fun tips will be good to go through because we're now at 57 minutes. Good on this. I know, right? This is gonna be a quick one. That's what you say all the time. Yeah, I know, right? So, some fun tips. Make sure you put sunscreen everywhere, not in your eyes, though, Dave.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, so that didn't turn out to be sun cream, did it? No, it didn't turn it. That turned out to be a fucking cataract, yeah. Oh, that was again naked man. Matt baby fucking put sun cream. I didn't put sunscreen on. I rubbed my face. And he rubbed his face and he thought. And then about half an hour later, my eyes started watering, and I thought I got sun cream in my eye. And it didn't get better, it didn't get better, didn't get better.
SPEAKER_04:Because Dave's notorious for also not wearing dark sunglasses, he'd rather not wear sunglasses, yeah. Right. So this time he we're going to naked man, he's wearing sunglasses. So nobody can recognise me. No, just so that you can actually see people, I think. Yeah, maybe that's I'm gonna get you a fucking kid mask. Yeah, yeah, correct, yeah. Um about penis covering. Cover.
SPEAKER_03:Because you said to me, Don't worry about this.
SPEAKER_04:Your dick doesn't burn, is what I did. And it did. It really did. I'm thinking, I'm sure. It was red raw, I know, right? It was painful. They got like blisters on it, didn't they? If you're gonna be bent over in a slit over a tree stump or something, then maybe even sunscreen up your whole uh the mud was good though. Huh? The mud we covered ourselves. Mud was great, yeah. Mud was great. Natural mud is good. Yeah, so um so I moisturize moisturize. Um sun hat, sunglasses, hat, sunglasses. Even if you're naked, just make sure you've got a hat on it. Sunglasses, definitely.
SPEAKER_03:Um look, go with and go and have a shower every now and then because you're gonna be sweating a lot as well.
SPEAKER_04:Because your your clothes don't actually absorb up all the sweat that your body would normally produce.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so you do get a bit stinking. And we were also covered in oil a lot of the time as well. When you go to the um, so take a good body wash, yeah. A good body wash, which is nothing worse than getting oil in your eyes. No, correct. There isn't well apart from sunscreen. Um what about jizz in your eyes? Oh, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_04:Jizz in your doesn't juiz doesn't get in your eyes, it goes straight in the back of your throat, Dave. Everyone knows that. Everyone knows that. So yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But so what else have you say? Shoes, definitely shoes, because it gets hot on the fucking floor sometimes. Definitely, but not crocs.
SPEAKER_04:Love you do, not crocs. So Birkenstocks, yep, definitely fine with those. But anyway, I mean that's pretty much sneakers, but not ones that you don't want to get ones you eat, no sneakers as in shoes, but you don't want to get them dirty because if there is mud activity or anything like that, you want to be able to get them muddy. Yeah, um, but you don't need clothes. No, exactly. You're gonna be nudists, you don't need clothes. That's it.
SPEAKER_03:But if you've never been to a nudist beach and you want to go, then definitely check some out. Yeah, check some out. I think it's good. I think it's a good way of like opening yourself up.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and you can go alone if you're not confident, you can go alone or shy, yeah. Exactly. Because then you've got no one there to judge you. You can take us a wrong, you can unwrap once you're sitting in where. You're gonna see it. Um excuse me. But you will be surprised at how freeing it actually feels.
SPEAKER_03:But also, you get sand everywhere. You well you do, yeah. You do. You come back and you think you're clean, but you're not because you've got sand there everywhere.
SPEAKER_04:Everywhere.
SPEAKER_03:It's everywhere.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I don't do what I did because I wore my socks and shoes on the beach, remember? And then I left my socks to dry out because we went for the water. You left your socks. I left my socks there.
SPEAKER_04:Somebody's got the socks, they've socks from the beach.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but yeah. Anyway, so if you want to try it, then let us know how you got on.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And if you think if you think that you want to give it exhibitionism a go, then have a go, definitely. I don't think there's any right or wrong to any of them, really. No. I think you know, we all in once have fun. Well, maybe not, because we discussed that before. Oh, yeah, okay, yeah. Anyway, we're diverse.
SPEAKER_04:Have lots of fun and be naked, be nude. Um, and then what are we gonna do next, Dave? We can you ready?
SPEAKER_02:They're grumpy, they're gay, they've got something to say. From traffic cues to crooked cues, they'll pitch it all the way. Gay!
SPEAKER_04:Alright, you cranky old bastard. What do you got for us this week? I've only got two this week. Me too. I know, me too.
SPEAKER_03:Well, the two could turn into conversations. Well, one of them my first I don't haven't got anything about cars this time. Oh my god, I do. I know, I know you do. Anyway, my first one is when you go to public toilets, right? Oh, yeah. And you've done a deed, right, and you go and wash your hands and there's no fucking soap. Oh. I mean, I know water cake in somewhere completely distinct. Yeah, but also not only the soap when you go in for a number two and there's no fucking toilet roll. Yeah, that's not good. No, it's not.
SPEAKER_04:See, this is why when I walk in, I always check the toilet roll situation.
SPEAKER_05:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Right. And what happens if you're desperate, you just gotta run in because there's only one there. Yeah, you've got to pray that you've got somebody next to you that'll give your brother. Would you ever fucking not wipe if you had the. No, you can't not wipe. I'd take my underwear off and wipe with that.
SPEAKER_03:Where would you put that? In the toilet. No, you can't flush that down the toilet.
SPEAKER_04:Or I'd throw it in the bin on the way out or something like that. I I'd have to wipe. Oh. You have to flush, then use almost flush till everything's gone almost. And then you could flush again and wet your underwear and wipe the. But is that? There is it is frustrating though, isn't it? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, I've I can honestly say I've never been in that situation with toilet paper because I literally every time I walk in, I just check the toilet paper. I'm wondering if there's only like two sheets and you need five. Oh, you're fucked. Then you're fucked, I guess. So um, but yeah, but again, yeah, that's not a good situation to be in. That's a pet peeve of mine anyway. That's a pet peeve indeed, and that's pretty filthy and gross. But what about yourself? Well, okay, one one that happened today that definitely, definitely annoyed the fucking living shit out of me. It was also dangerous as well, wasn't it? It was really dangerous and really stupid. So, okay, the world knows, or at least my friend knows, that I am not the fastest driver, all right? That that's an understatement, like I said. But but I'm a safe driver.
SPEAKER_03:But you weren't going slow.
SPEAKER_04:I wasn't, so I was going about 190 in a hundred zone.
SPEAKER_03:No, you're going 76. I checked this.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, fuck you.
SPEAKER_03:You were going 76. I was going about I saw your speed.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, so that's close to 80, right? In 100 zone, all right. So that's okay. But it was fine because there was no other traffic around traffic. Apart from the one guy behind me. So I dropped when it came to broken lines. So in Australia, for those that are not listening, broken lines means that you can overtake if it's safe to do so. Double lines means that you cannot overtake under any circumstances. Yep, right. So I seen the broken lines because there was a car behind me, and he felt I felt like he was getting a bit close. He was, he was right over here. I did not know the roads, so I was definitely taking extra caution.
SPEAKER_03:Are you still doing a decent speed? I was doing a reason speed.
SPEAKER_04:So we're like single lane. Right, yeah, right. So the thing is that I don't know the roads, I'm not gonna fucking zip it out in case a corner comes up and I can't coke. I'm I'd rather not die. No, quite honestly. Right. So I was going almost 80, right? So the broken lines came up, and because his dickhead was actually on my ass, I slowed down a little bit, right? So that that way he could go past. Well, he didn't, right? So anyway, we've come up to the double lines again, right? So I'm going back up a little bit in speed, and next minute I know this fuckwit's pulled out, it's overtaken me, right? But there's a car there was a car coming on like heading towards us at the same time, which was not too far away, to the point where that car actually had to swerve off the road, off the road, so this other guy could come back in the road. Yep. So if that guy had swerved off and hit a tree or something like that, this guy in the fucking car behind me would have been in the shit now. Literally. I should have checked my CCT for my dash cam footage and reported that fuckwit.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but literally, you're talking about 500 metres down the road, the sign changed to 60 kilometres.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it signed six 60k. So he gained nothing. He gained nothing because he had to then drop back to 60k's anyway, right? Because it was a frickin' a built-up area and stuff like that. So that really pissed me off because number one, I gave him the opportunity to pass when I when he had to, right? Number two, but he didn't take it. Number two, he's a fucking idiot because he nearly killed somebody else and me potentially as well. And number three, he's a cunt. He's a cunt, he's a cunt, and he shouldn't have a license. Yeah, correct. Correct, correct. Awesome. And I should check back on my CCT, my um my last game.
SPEAKER_03:That's a valid P, but I was peeped before you as well. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So all right, what's your next peeve, Dave?
SPEAKER_03:Okay, you'll relate to this, maybe you shouldn't do, but you work in the industry, I suppose. But when you go to a shop, not necessarily your shop, because your shop's pretty cool, yeah. Um, but when you go to a shop, say Big W or Kmart or any other big department stores, yeah, and you go to buy something and there's no fucking price label on it at all, right? So you think, okay, I'll scan the barcode. You walk up to the fucking barcodes reader, and they're all broken, or they don't work, or they don't have to be able to do that. Oh, yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, yeah. So, how the fuck are you meant to fucking tell what the price is?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I guess, and that's the thing is that like I have because you're forced to then download the app. I have all the apps anyway. I know, but you shouldn't have to do that. But sometimes they don't even work. I know exactly. So that that is uh like I get that pet peeve, I do get that.
SPEAKER_03:Um that's a good if you're gonna put something on the shelf, then fucking put the price on it.
SPEAKER_04:Put a price on it, it's really not that hard. I think it's actually a legal requirement, yes, quietly. I know from a fruit and veg perspective, it's a legal requirement because you have to have a country of origin and all that kind of stuff on there as well. Yep. So but I don't know about clothing and things like Big W and K market.
SPEAKER_03:But it just seems that everything these days doesn't have a price on it. It's not or the price is in the wrong slot, and you go and think, okay, that's like that price. You pick it up and then take it to the counter, and they say no, it's this price, and you say, Hang on a minute, you didn't say that. And then you go back and say, Oh, it doesn't say that at all. It's put on that price list. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get that I get that. So that's my peeve, anyway.
SPEAKER_04:I get that.
SPEAKER_03:Sorry.
SPEAKER_04:All right, no, no, I get that. That's okay. And I do understand, I empathize with that one. So because that does annoy me a bit at times as well. But then I just end up buying it anyway, and going oh fucking have buyers regret that it came to weigh more than I wanted to pay. But yeah. Um, so my last one is um grinder related. Is that right? Yeah, alright. Sounds like you. I have grinder. You really I spent a bit of time on my profile.
unknown:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:Making sure that I have a face pick.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Alright. Because I'm not ashamed of who I am, right? Um, and I really don't give a flying fuck who knows me and who knows that I'm gay, because anyone that knows me knows that I'm gay. I have on my stats I update my last um last health check testing and all that kind of stuff, right? And I have clearly in the beginning as my as my um profile in my my handle, I've got MC, and then I've got NP, don't give it away. No, I've got NPNC. Which means which means no pick, no chat, right? Really simple. Yep. Alright. Um, and then as you go down to my bio a little bit, it says there, I've elaborated and gone, no pick, no chat. If don't worry, I'm not here to out you, right? If you're discreet, I will respect that. However, I want to see who I'm talking to, right?
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:It's not because I'm looking for the same. But can you trust that they're gonna save you? I'm fucked ugly people, yeah, right? I'm okay with that. Um define ugly. Well, no. Um, right, no, I will not. Um, because I'm not naming and shaming anyone. Um, and I probably haven't fucked anyone ugly. I know I have actually. So we both have. No, we both have, right? We have. Um, definitely. But it was fun. Yeah, it was fun. We couldn't see them at the time. Yeah, it's dark. No, um, no, but I'm okay with I'm I'm not somebody that's after a beauty queen that's like six pack and all that kind of stuff. You would be. I I wouldn't say no to them, obviously. But I'm I know what my type is. My type is, my limit is, and all that kind of stuff as well, right?
SPEAKER_03:So the thing is that also and I'm not saying I won't chat to you, but also it's important because there's a lot of fake profiles, but not only that, there's a lot of young people on there that can bait you. Yeah, and so people have been arrested because they've been talking to minors, minors and such. But the minors are put on there, and it's not the fault of that person because they haven't purely gone looking for that person. No, correct, but by virtue of them being a fucking fuckwitch.
SPEAKER_04:I want to chat with an adult, yeah, right. And if you're man enough to strike up a conversation that says hey, yeah, right, I want to see what your face looks like, right? There's a guy that every time I get on, right, in this area, he says, Hey, right. And I'm thinking, the fact that, and I could open it and tell you, but I don't want to activate it because it goes ding all night then, right? But there must be 17 times when I've opened it, right, that he said hi. And then he's like gone, I'd love to suck your dick. And I'm thinking, mate, you've got pictures of food on your profile, right? Like, I don't know what you look like. You haven't got a face, you can't read clearly. But the fact that you've ignored him all them time, I've ignored you all those times. Because I've said no pick, no chat. The moment he sent me a pick, I'd say hi back, right? Regardless of what he looked like, right? But I just refuse to send him a picture, really. I would, I would. I'd say hi back, and I'd go, not interested. Thanks. Thanks, but not interested. No, no, you're not my type, mate.
SPEAKER_03:And then I would block 100%. But right have you ever had someone that you blocked, then they start a new profile and they do the same thing again? Well, probably, probably. And that's another reason why I got off the grinder because it was just like so fucking scary.
SPEAKER_04:It's annoying.
SPEAKER_03:So boys out there with grinder and girls, because I've been targeted by girls before competitively boys.
SPEAKER_04:If you're reading a profile, or if you're clicking on a profile, right? Read the profile, read what it says. You'll get amused. Like, there's a few people out there that I read the profiles and I think you're fucking clever. I want to have a conversation with you because you're really clever.
SPEAKER_03:But remember that time I told you that mine was being used by someone else and they they and they contacted me and said, You don't hook up, and I'm like, what the fuck? Well, hook up with myself. Fuck yeah, I do.
SPEAKER_04:Why using my data?
SPEAKER_03:Because it's better than mine.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, correct. Well, there is that as well. So yeah, yeah, but that that really fucking shits me, and that really annoyed the shit out of me. I can tell by tone in your voice. It just it was just annoying. So, like, um, grinder boys, um, please fix your fucking profiles. Yeah. Um, all right, and just don't chat to me unless you chat to them. And I no, unless you've got a fucking a profile pick of some kind, or at least send me a pick of a goat. The guys today all sent me pics. They did, they were hot. They were fucking hot, yeah. And last night. Apart from that one dickhead that just keeps saying hi and want to suck your dick. Oh yeah, you're a chef. I don't care, mate. I mean, I don't eat gastric sleepers surgery. I'll say, yeah, this is me. Yeah, those photos are all fake. Yeah, yeah. Anything else? Do we need to do that? I think that's it pretty much. I think, you know, quite an interesting conversation. All right, very interesting. So I've been Dave. No. How did I do that again? Hello, right? I've been Matt. I've been Dave. Always at we'll talk to you later. That's a wrap from us. We've been your Fully Grown Homer's, and we look forward to opening your mind, your ears, and your curiosities. Don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe, and share our podcast with your curious friends. You can contact us on Fully Grown Homeers Podcast at gmail.com or any of our social fully grown homoes podcasts.
