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About Last Night. Adventures at Arrows: Our BDSM Night
What happens when two gay men venture into a BDSM femdom night at their regular sauna? More education and eye-opening experiences than they bargained for!
When our friends Bonnie and Clyde expressed curiosity about checking out a sex-on-premises venue, we decided to conduct a reconnaissance mission to Sydney's Arrows. But instead of our usual Sunday men-only visit, we opted for their Saturday night BDSM event – and walked into a world completely different from what we're accustomed to.
The demographic shift was immediate and striking. Instead of just gay men, we encountered cisgendered women, trans women, cross-dressers, and people from across the sexual and gender spectrum. Our exploration led us to meet Alan, one of the owners, who shared insights about the venue's evolution and community focus. But the real education began when we were invited into the cordoned-off BDSM area by Miss Hattie, a professional dominatrix with seven years of experience.
Under Miss Hattie's guidance, we learned about various equipment, techniques, and the paramount importance of consent and safety in BDSM practices. We even experienced some light domination play firsthand, challenging our preconceptions about what we might enjoy. The cross-dresser community provided another fascinating window into expressions of sexuality and gender that expanded our understanding of human desire.
The evening concluded with a professional strip show that demonstrated the venue's commitment to quality entertainment across all their events. Throughout it all, we were struck by the sense of community, safety, and education that permeated this space – elements sometimes missing from more mainstream venues.
Whether you're curious about BDSM, interested in exploring different expressions of sexuality, or simply want to understand more about Sydney's diverse adult entertainment options, this episode offers a respectful and insightful glimpse into a world many are curious about but few discuss openly.
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SPEAKER_01:We'll discuss the gay 101s, sex, sexuality, and topics we don't even know yet. As we want your input into what you want to hear, nothing is off limit, so email us on the fully grown homoespodcast at gmail.com.
SPEAKER_03:Or message any of our socials, Fully Grown Homos Podcast. And what a beautiful morning it is as well. What a fucking sensational day it is outside. Beautiful. A beautiful sunny Sydney day on a Sunday morning. Sunday morning. Yep. Um nice and sunny. We've been out for coffee and brekkie. I have a haircut by a fucking very hot-looking Iraqi guy. Iraq, okay. I don't care where. Um because he was sexy.
SPEAKER_01:Selvin his name was.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, he um Dave went wanted to get a hair job. I mean a haircut. Um hair job happened last night, but anyway, we'll talk about it.
SPEAKER_01:I'd always go back to the same place, which is cool.
SPEAKER_03:Same place. Yep. But this guy, when Dave walked up, he's standing at the front and he was smiling and he he was beautiful. Right. And I thought fuck. I wanted to push Dave out the way and get a haircut myself. It's the only time you really wish you had hair, isn't it? But but as our listeners, if you've seen a photo of me, you'll know I'm bald as a badger, so there was no way I could push in front and say, give him to me. Um where's the expression bald of the badger come from? Because they're not actually bold, are they? I don't know. Okay, they don't. Who knows? Don't ADHD me. Don't ask me to start Googling badges. Um, but he was hot and Dave got a haircut, and he was wearing kind of trackies as well. So I was hoping that he was Dave was going to come back with a story about how he was rubbing his cockles.
SPEAKER_01:Well, they normally do, they rub the they rub themselves against you because like I've told you before, you put your hands on it on the actual armrests. And then you sort of like put your hands out just slightly. So you are literally sort of like putting your hand out there a little bit, but you're not putting it, you're not grabbing their dick. So as they walk around, now there's a known thing that most barbers do rub themselves against you, not because they want to, but it's also or because they want to.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah, I think it is more so, yeah. Yep, yep, yeah. I'd I'd fucking I'd like to be a barber so I could get my hair cock rubbed by every man that walks into the place. Um absolutely I've seen those videos anyway. I've seen those, yeah. Anyway, but yeah, so we had a haircut, we had brecky, we've had coffee.
SPEAKER_01:Engage with the owner of that because he's a hutch. Yeah, the cafe place at um Cafe and Co. There's just so many Huntington guys out there today, isn't there? Oh, it's it's a day of hot and we've got more to come. Oh, because we're gonna watch the group the uh NRL. We're gonna watch the footy today, the Broncos of V Panthers at Panthers. And we just know there's gonna be fucking hot guys there.
SPEAKER_03:There was last week. There were so many hot guys there. Oh fuck. And there's gonna be so many hot guys there today. And I hope I'm gonna take some window cleaner so I can go and clean that blue wall so it's nice and shiny. Um for those that don't know, the blue wall is the wall above the urinals in Panthers in the bathroom, urinals, like I said, um is shiny as fuck. So you can just stand there. It's like watching a mirror.
SPEAKER_01:It's like the guy have got mirrors in the back as well, so it reflects everything in the back.
SPEAKER_03:So the thing is that you can literally see everyone's cock without even looking sideways. You look at yourself in the thing and you see everybody else's tick as well, which is great. That's great. Best toilets ever. Cockfest. Um, cockfest today, definitely, definitely. So it's gonna be a fun afternoon. But this week we're not doing a weekly rap, we're not doing our normal standard of show because it's about last night. Yeah, I'm gonna call this podcast. Like normally I let AI decipher what I'm gonna be calling it, but this one I'm gonna call about last night, because what a night.
SPEAKER_01:So it started for our listeners, and again, it was uh a off the cuff decision on it, yeah. Last minute sort of thing.
SPEAKER_03:So I um Dave messaged, or Dave and Dave and Miami were messaging fucking back and forth all day, right? Um, and I ended up muting the chat, but then I went and had some lunch because I was working yesterday, and then I concentrated Clay. What am I gonna do? What are we doing tonight? What's the plan? And he sent me a message because Miami was actually gonna come and record a podcast last night. Um, but Dave and Clay had different ideas. Yep. They wanted well Dave said, because we've been wanting to do a recce, and we'll talk a little bit about this in a minute. In a minute, but we wanted to Dave basically said let's go to church, right? So I kind of went, Okay, alright, I've been working all day, but let's let's do it, let's go, right? And the reason we wanted to go to church was obviously because we enjoy it. And for those listeners that don't know what church is, where the fuck have you been? Listen to any previous episode.
SPEAKER_01:Um, because we normally go on a Sunday, which is a men only Sunday, um, we're busy today. So any time that we are occupied on a Sunday, we tend to either miss it. Switch it a bit. Or switch it up a bit. Yeah, or we'll try and catch up.
SPEAKER_03:So church is a sex on premises venue, right? And there are a few in Sydney, but one the one that's closest to us. And the one we we we we we go to most of the time. We go to most of the time. It's Arrows at Sydney, it's in Rydlemere, and it's sort of in an industrial estate, right? And let me paint a picture for you. It you walk in, you pay your cover charge, you get a key to your locker. And a towel. And it oh, and you go and grab a towel, um, you basically get naked, um, go and have a shower. Um, you've already done all your prep work, you're douching, and you're taking your Viagro if you wish to, and all that kind of stuff. Um, but you do all your prep work prior to going in. Um, and then you basically just scour the halls for three floors, three floors. One the bottom one has a cafe slash bar change in it, change rooms, spa, steam room, sauna, toilets, showers. Yep. Um, but it has like a big lounge area, some pool tables, a little stage um with a strip of pole on it, TVs, like one of those crosses that you can get shackled up on and stuff like that. Um some TVs for not watching normal TV. Um HOV testing kit and stuff like that. And that's also you can buy like you can buy drinks. No, but you can also buy um apparatus. You can buy dildos and and all other kinds of stuff. And used used stuff as well. You can actually buy used underwear and stuff like that as well. Um, there is a market for it. There's a market for it. There's a market for everything. Absolutely. Um but like so that's level one, pretty much. Yeah. Um and then you've got um the middle floor. Middle floor, which is consistents of there's a big lounge area where you've got a TV screen where you can all jerk off together because that's got porn on it, usually. Multiple rooms all the way around. Yeah, multiple, multiple cubicles and stuff like that, of or varying. A couple of sling rooms. Yeah, a couple of sling rooms. You've got a back area that's got like a dark area where you basically got the big bed where people go in and basically plant themselves on their knees with their ass in the air, or it's got to get fucked anonymously. Yep. Um, and then you've got like another area just outside that one, um, which has got another video screen and some chairs or booth and all that kind of stuff around it. You've got another little video room with a just a single so uh like a double or triple sofa, and you've got a cage at the back of that where you can lock yourself in. Um people stand around and watch. People stand around and watch. Um, we usually don't we occupy that space a bit, don't we?
SPEAKER_01:Well we have done recently, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we have, yeah, we're basically. We're hauled. Um and then you've got the glory holes, which is always busy. Yeah, and there's like eight, ten, twelve, twelve glory holes, right? Which are just little booths, basically. But it's a clever concept, isn't it? Yeah, you go upstairs, so you basically walk around, stick your cock through, um, or you go downstairs part, like you stay on the cymbal level, and you go and suck dick. Um, some of them are open doors, some of them have got little closed doors if you're feeling shy, um, all that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_01:Some of them got a few steps because you need to be quite tall to suck off some of the people. Yeah, some of the people fucking yeah because it's quite high up, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, or if you're a midget in there sucking dick, you need to step. Yeah, absolutely. Fuck, I need that. I still haven't had my midget. Anyway, let's get distracted, right? Um, and there's a there's bathrooms on that level as well, but no showers. There's only showers on the bottom level. Yep. And then up on level three, you've got again lots of cubicles, cruising area, big cruising area, walk around, a dark room, sling room, two sling rooms, a couple of yeah, a couple of public play areas. Um a sofa and a TV again up there. Yeah, there's like a little room at the back with a big mattress area. So it's pretty well fitted out.
SPEAKER_01:But they've also got that room at the back as well, which is it which we'll talk about later on. Yeah. Which is a room where it gets closed off and it's for invited people only, and it's more for swingers and people like that. That's for when they have different events, parties and stuff.
SPEAKER_03:So they have different events all the time there, right? So um now, now you've heard us I wouldn't say slate, but there's been some times when we've gone there where it hasn't been at optimal cleaning and all that kind of stuff. But overall, it's been pretty good. Yeah. Right. And we've always, if it wasn't, we wouldn't go back. No, exactly. That's right. Yeah. Sometimes we get cranky because we haven't had enough dick, right? Yeah. Um, so that's probably when we've noticed.
SPEAKER_01:But it's not, it's not, it's it's down to the time, the place, and you know.
SPEAKER_03:Look, it's a good venue, it's it's fairly well built, it's fairly well kitted out. Um but it's obviously very popular because people are still going there. Could could there be improvements? Yeah, but it's like it's not a multi-million dollar venue, right?
SPEAKER_01:But Clay said that he's been on a Friday because we don't go during the week because obviously we're busy or we haven't had the time. Yeah, but Clay's been there on a Friday and he said there's fucking tradies everywhere. Yeah, so they come in from work and he said they're just fucking there to be sucked and fucked, basically, and then they go home. Yeah, and so again, so we haven't had the opportunity to go and check it out during the week, have we?
SPEAKER_03:Because there's a train station being built there. So I'm gonna have a metro that's open. Yeah, it's it's not open yet. It is open.
SPEAKER_02:I've seen the I've seen the metro on there. The metro is open, Matt. But I was telling a story. No, he said it took six years to get there open.
SPEAKER_01:Ah, okay. Definitely no, definitely open. I swear to god, it's definitely open. It's called something else now. It's called It's called Yarramundi. Yeah, Yarramundi. So um, and that's an Aboriginal name for the train station, but it's actually in Rydalmere. Okay. In Sydney.
SPEAKER_03:But it there's definitely open map 100%. I've seen the trailers on there. Um but yeah, and how I can get there after work. Um yeah, and um sorry. And uh Dave's left his phone on. I know, I meant to do something. So I wonder, I wonder if that was the standard person, Brittany. No, no, it wasn't. No, it was uh somebody else. Oh my god. Um sorry, I'm talking away from that. Um but yeah, so so you get right on what you do, or you get in, you go and explore the floors and stuff like that. So, like we said, that they have a different event every Saturday night, pretty much, right? And different nights of the week as well. So Sundays is always men only day.
SPEAKER_01:Um Friday, Saturday is normally swingers, um, bisexuals, um, all the other demographics that people fit into, basically, you know.
SPEAKER_03:So now the fourth Saturday of every month, right? So it I think Monday through to th Saturday, it's open for pretty much anyone to come in. Yep. Right now, um we we like we had some really good chats yesterday with some with quite a few people. Yep.
SPEAKER_01:Um but but it started off really well because we actually got to meet one of the owners because it's owned by two two couples, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03:We yeah, well yesterday was a BDSM night, yep, right, but we're not gonna we'll get there. We're gonna get there soon, right? But we walked in the door yesterday. So so like I said, Dave messaged me. I said, Yep, okay, cool, let's go. So we cancelled Miami. Um sorry, Miami, not sorry, trust me, but you'll you'll enjoy you'll enjoy everything. Um but um but yesterday we we went in and as soon as we got to the doorway, there was a different door bitch than the normal door bitch. Um Richard is awesome, yeah. He's a lovely, lovely guy who's been a supporter of our podcast for a long time. Um always to let us put cards out and he chats to people, different people about these are the guys from the podcast and stuff like that. Yep. So he's a very lovely guy that's supportive of us and of the community and the people that go there, right? Now um and he works bloody hard, doesn't he? Yeah, he works fucking hard. But so does everyone there, right? They really do work hard there, right? So because it's a tough job. It is cleaning come off the floor, but it's God knows what.
SPEAKER_01:They're having to wreckie the area, having to make sure people are okay, like they're serving people.
SPEAKER_03:But it used to be quite a bit of a junky haven, right? Back in the day, a long time ago now, where I'm talking. Yeah, but they've gotten rid of a lot of the junkies and shit from in there as well, which is really good because it makes you feel safer as a as a patron as well. Yep. Um but we got there yesterday, walked in, and there was a lady, there was a lady at the door, right? And so I started sort of doing the normal thing, and Richard walked up from behind him, went, Oh, these are the podcast boys, right? And then she said, Oh, what do you mean? And and Richard said, Oh, they they talk about us on their podcast quite frequently, um, yada yada yada. And so I gave her one of the cards because we because we were going on a different night. We were going for a recce. We were going, this is the whole purpose of the night. Right. But because we were going for different, I had my podcast handy, cards handy, right? So we literally just so I passed her one over, right? And and then we went in and we started getting changed, right? So before we do this part, why were we going, Dave?
SPEAKER_01:We were going because we've kept on saying to Bonnie and Clyde, who are the people that inspired us to do the podcast, okay? And they kept on saying, We really want to go to a check it out. Check it out, but we don't know they don't want to do anything there necessarily. So we said, Look, why don't we check it out for you and see if it's going to be suitable for your needs? Because both of them are keen to sort of like explore and basically just go and have a look and know what's going on, yeah, and answer questions that they've always been answered. Yeah, especially he's so inquisitive about everything, right?
SPEAKER_03:But even even Bonnie, Bonnie, she wants to know as well. She's she's engaged as well. She can see when when she's in that in that moment, she's this doesn't mean that they want to go and swing or they want to go and do any of this kind of stuff. No, right? We're not putting that on them, but and it's just a trip for fascination. They want to know, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:They want to know what the fuck. And and so we kept on saying, week after week, we'll do it. And they kept on saying, Oh, when are you gonna go? And we kept on saying, Oh, we have enough time, and yeah, we we so we made time, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:We did.
SPEAKER_01:So we made time, so we went, and boy, oh boy, but we went and got changed. Well, we are digressing slightly. So Alan the owner came and hunted me down.
SPEAKER_03:He said, and he's holding the card in his hand, he's looking, he's looking, and he's gone, are you Dave? Matt? And I went, Oh Matt. And he went, he says, Oh, I'm Alan the owner, blah blah blah. Um you met my wife, you met my wife at the at the entry, he said, You guys are the guys that do the podcast. And I said, Oh, yeah. And he says, Oh, just to let you know, he says, 'cause you've been a regular supporter of us, he says, I've left a VIP card at the counter for you guys, so it'll get your discount entry for like we don't care about the discount or like that. No, right? Because I'm happy to pay that.
SPEAKER_01:So, yeah, it's worth the pay.
SPEAKER_03:It's worth going there. But it was really, really nice of him to do that. Yeah. And then next minute we start chatting, and Clay's sitting there going, hurry up, I want to go and get magician. So we s we send Clay upstairs. We send him upstairs to play, and we're having a good chat with Alan. And oh, he's so engaging, wasn't he? Okay, okay, first thing, he's Brazilian. Hot Brazilian, yeah. Right, big guy, like tall, muscular looking guy, very handsome. I'm sitting there talking to him the whole time and thinking, I want to see your cock. I'm thinking, fucking hell, I want to put my lips around that thing, right? He was dressed in clothes, unfortunately. Um, but really handsome, hot, engaging, so friendly, no pretense, no nothing. There was no negativity about the business. Like it just it was nothing. And and he was in this business, and he was telling us how he had MCs at Blacktown originally, then they moved to Granville, which I knew of Granville, right? I'd never been. Um, but he explained the journey to get to where he was at Arrows and stuff like that. Um and and it was really, really interesting. Like really interesting. Now, Dave, I know it seems like I've been talking a lot, but Dave is the really chatty one when we're talking with new strangers. So Dave was asking him thousands and thousands of questions.
SPEAKER_01:As you do, as as you do, but again, because it's inquisitiveness, and I think the whole purpose of like when you meet somebody, this is like when you when we go to Arrows, yeah. If you find someone that you can engage with, I think it's worth every effort and every time to find out a little bit more about that person about what they do and everything else. I think it's interesting, and I'd love to sit down with him where I wasn't we had the following conversation, which we'll talk about later on anyway, with him later on. Um, but you know, the conversation sort of like led us to sort of like you know, go up and explore because he said, look, you know, he told us about what was going on because we asked him, and basically there was gonna be later on there was gonna be a strip show, which we we'd heard about, but never been there. Um and then he explained the whole thing on the top level of the floor, which is where the BDSM sort of like takes place, yeah. So, but that didn't sort of like start until about eight o'clock. We got there about six, didn't we? Yeah, we got there about six. But it was still busy, it wasn't unpacked, you know. I mean, it was still enough people there, yeah. Um a mixture of like I don't know, straight guys, I suppose, or by gay guys. I don't know. I don't know. There's a mixture of everybody. Everyone last night. Every every box that you could be. Not the sort of demographics that we normally see on a Sunday.
SPEAKER_03:Well, we normally see go men only Sundays, so we don't only generally see men. Yep. Right, and and men in the true form of being men. Yep. All right. So last night to say the demographic was mixed was an understatement. So there was cisgendered women, there was men, there was trans men or trans men, trans women, yep, um, as well. There's cross dresses, there was cross dresses, yeah. Um, there was straight people, um gay guys, heterosexuals, there was some gay guys, um all different nationalities, all different ethnicities, uh, different ages, there was there was like it was it was a mixture of everything. It was a mixed bag.
SPEAKER_01:It's like being a lollipop shop, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_03:It was the lolly shop with all the lollies. Yeah. Um right. So you had the Chick-ho's, you had the milk bottles, you had the pineapples, my favourite. Um the squirty bottoms. What? The Fruity Stars. Yeah, Fruity Squirts, that's what my favorite my Harobo Fruity Squirts. If you want to sponsor me, I've I need the sponsorship. I go through so many of them, it's not funny. Just arrows, yeah. But um, like I do with arrows, yeah. I like a good fruity squirt. Um but but oh my god, the the crowd was crazy, right?
SPEAKER_01:I think Clay was a little bit sort of like um, okay, I'm not really getting the vibe. Yeah, which again, I mean, we were there to engage in sex, I suppose. Yeah, 100%. We were there for a mission as well.
SPEAKER_03:We were there some we were multitasking, yeah, um, which everyone knows I do so well. Um, but the the the crowd now, so there was some absolutely stunning trans girls. Oh I I had I had Dave sat there and said, Oh, that's definitely Dave. I know, okay, because the thing is, he said, but she's got an ah, I said, Yeah, BBL, right? Which is an injection you can get to fatten up your ass a bit and stuff like that. And she had boobs. I said, Yeah, called hormones. Yeah, I get it. Um when she spoke, she had a feminine voice, and again, I said, Hormones, right? Um, and she was the one like, and there was a few really pretty girls there, but one she was the brunette was like a stunner. The blonde one I thought was quite pretty as well. Yeah, um, but these are all trans trans, yeah, female, male to female trans.
SPEAKER_01:Um and they've had the full operation, I'm assuming.
SPEAKER_03:Well, so no, no, no, some yes, some no.
SPEAKER_01:No, well, we we talked about that one, you remember the one?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so the one the one so there was one there, and she was an older trans and she was quite pretty to look at muscular as well, wasn't she? Yeah, yeah, she was fit. Like, so if if you'd gone to um if you were in your in no, if you yeah, if you were at the gym, if you were at the shopping centre or something like that, you she would pass, right? Look, I mean she looked very feminine, right? Yeah, she was very femme, right? She had the tower around. Right. Um, but we went to the glory holes and I said to Dave, do a lap. Because I went to the glory holes. We'd done a lap at the bottom. There was nothing hanging through that I really was that keen on. But then um then I did a lap around the top and I said, um Dave, go for a lap around the top. And this trans woman um was at the glory hole and she was like pushed up against the glory hole, and somebody was definitely going to town on her cock, right? So she hadn't had the full um transition yet. Um, but then there was another guy that was very, very large gold that barely fitted in the cubicles with his neck through the bottom, and um thinking, okay, yeah, but but yeah, so it was um Dave then went for a wander around and it was just like oh fuck, okay, yep, because well I didn't I didn't disbelieve it. Clay did earlier, yeah. Um yeah, he thought she was definitely female, yeah, cis gender female, um, because he heard her voice.
SPEAKER_02:She well she looked at it.
SPEAKER_01:She had the tower around her, so you couldn't see the bottom half of her, really.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, um but she was getting chased hard. Oh, she was, wasn't she? She was like there was a lot of people after her, but um so we went upstairs.
SPEAKER_01:Which would be great for your fucking ego, yeah. No, right? It is so on the upstairs, what they do on the BDS night, they they sort of like close off the whole middle section. No, I'm just saying because we walked up from the I'm talking about us going to have a look because Clay had been up there and said it's very different up there to what it normally is. So we just had a quick look up there because obviously nothing was happening at the time because it was still setting it all up. So on the top floor, as we described, you walk around and the middle section was all blocked off with like gates. Yeah, they looked like pool fences, kind of thing. So you could still see through them, but you couldn't get access to it.
SPEAKER_03:Couldn't access, you can look, but you can't touch.
SPEAKER_01:So it was a big area, a big area, and you could see, and they have multiple devices all set up, didn't they?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Now, when we've been on the Sunday, we've seen these chains shackled on the walls, we didn't know really what they were for. We knew we knew, but we didn't know if that makes sense. We knew what they were for, but we didn't know what how they were used and stuff like that. But it all made sense last night. Once we get to that part, yeah, we'll talk about it.
SPEAKER_03:But that's what I'm saying, but we went, we went and having a look. But then, but so some of the other patrons that were there. So, like we said, we spoke about the the gay men that were there, the trans women that were there, but then there were some cross dresses, right? Now, not my bag, not for me. Thanks, but not for me. You like watching drag race, that's it. Uh I drag is different. Drag is an art form, okay, right? Cross-dressing is a different kink altogether. Yes, right. So it's a kink or a fetish. Yep. Right. Um, I can never get to work out what the two are. Or the kink, I think. Kink or fetish. Yeah. Fetish. Anyway. Anyway. Um, so they're both like so cross-dressing. So I was walking through the halls, right? Um This is on the middle floor? On the middle floor, yep. And Dave and Clay were somewhere else, right? And um I could hear this conversation. It was getting mate, how you going, mate? Yeah, good. Fucking, yeah, fucking Mrs. Blah blah blah, fucking kabad shot, fucking uh talking about fucking beers, schooners and footy and all this kind of stuff. Well, I turned the corner, and then all these it was like a trucker conversation, all right, like a really masculine manly conversation with masculine tones, deep tones, like really baritone, bassy kind of tones, Aussie fucking bogan conversations. And then there's these like four guys all standing there, and one was like fully dressed in red, like in a little mini skirt, a lacy little top, red heels, fishnet stockings. There was another one that was in white that was in this little white dress that was just come to the top of her, his their contact, their their above their yeah, yeah, just just covering their dick or whatever else that they were packing on that particular day. Um, but like then another one in black, but they were all dressed as women in women's clothing, right? With makeup so I with makeup, some really bad wigs. Um so I'm sitting there and I'm going like this is a mind fuck for me, right? It's a complete mind fuck, right? Because I'm hearing the voices, right? Um now again, I watch a lot of drag race. I'm quite involved in the LGBTQ community, uh, plus community. I'm a definite advocate for trans people. Um everybody. Yeah, for everyone, pretty much. Right.
SPEAKER_01:We just don't but we just don't follow a lot of people because it's not our taste.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's it's not I wouldn't be having sex with somebody that's trans because it's not my flavour.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but it doesn't mean that you wouldn't engage in conversations with them because you you know you support everybody.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, correct. And and again, like you know, um but this was a mind fuck for me because I could hear the truckers talking, but I was watching something else, right? Now, they were not pretty by any standard, right? They were men, yeah, but they were men in dresses and wigs and bad makeup, like they'd spent not even watched a tutorial, but maybe watched their sister do makeup when they were 12 or something like that. It was cute, yeah, yeah. It was cute, and and and look, to say my eyes were opened, um, and my eyes have always been open, but to say my eyes were opened um even extra wide was an understatement because I'm sitting there and going, why? And me and Clay had the conversation who is finding them attractive, right? Who wants to fuck them, right? Um Well, we found that out later on. Well, we did find that out later on, a bit later on, because quite a few people wanted to fuck them, right? And look, we walked in to the downstairs area where the cage is, like one of the video rooms, right? And there was one straight man straight man, right? And he was fucking one of the shit. She was bent over with her skirt. The cross dresses was bent over with her with her skirt hitched up, but and he was fucking her.
SPEAKER_01:That cross dresser was sucking another cross dress. Cross dresser's dick, and then that one was sucking another one's dick. Then in the corner, there was two other cross dressers that were fucking each other. Yeah. It was like it was fuck face.
SPEAKER_02:Fuck it was it was just like but we had to go watch because it was it just I needed to go and watch.
SPEAKER_03:I'm sitting on the dynamics of this is blowing my mind, right? Now, at no stage did I even get a fucking tiny bit of movement, right? My cock had gone soft hours ago, yeah, and it weren't going back up, right? It just it j so the purpose of being there to get laid last night was probably not really happening, like well no, but we were there. We played, yeah, we played around and we did fuck somebody. Yeah, we had fun, but um, but and he was a sloppy bottom. Um he was but he was engaging, yeah. He was he was fun, he was having good conversations. Oh, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:He was obviously bi at least, anyway.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, he he he again he was like he was a bit sub, yeah. Um so he was like, Do you like my ass? Was my ass good? Was it good? Was it good? Was my cock did I suck good dick good and all that kind of stuff? And so he was like very polite, very friendly. Introduced himself before he looked fucking jumped all over. Clearly introduced him to us because he had been fucking him early. Yeah, yeah. Um, but it was like, yeah, but um, but the the cross-dressing scene thing, it it was something new for me. Yeah, um, and look, we've got friends um Cleopatra and and Marc Anthony, right? And all I could envision was that Mark Anthony may have eating one of these dresses. That's the kind of manly man. So for my girls, Cleo and Amber, and my girls that listen and Helen that listen to this podcast, right? You know who's Cleo's husband is, right? So this is the kind of man, right? But he is so much more than he wouldn't be there, he wouldn't have been there, no, but. That's the kind of man when I say that that man was in a dress, that's what it was like.
SPEAKER_01:He is fucking he is like fucking like A-less fucking style. He's prime B so handsome.
SPEAKER_03:But that's but they weren't handsome. No, no, but that style of a man, the masculine, the masculinity of them was was like him, but just in a dress and heels. And and it was it's it's like I said, it was a head fuck for me. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um so but it was interesting, it was fun because we we were like laughing and smiling. We were, and it was just like not not berating anybody or not. Not grading, or even you know, even judging people, it was just a very interesting concept for us to be around.
SPEAKER_03:I will never yuck somebody else's yum. No, never ever, ever.
SPEAKER_01:Because that's it was just it was just like we went there and we embraced it because we wanted to learn more. Yeah, and did we learn more?
SPEAKER_03:Fucking hell, talk about every day a school day. Yesterday was a day where I feel like I had my final exams. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I learned so much. And that was just the tip of the iceberg. So that that was that was the beginning of the night. Yeah. Right. Now we were, yeah. We went downstairs, had a little bit of a break, because like we'd had some fun and stuff like that. We always have like a drink. We have a bit of a and and Alan actually said, You it's quite funny. He said, because you see, you know, when everyone's had a fuck because they come down for a bit of a sugar reload, right? And they have like their chocolate bar and their can of drink, and I'm sitting there and I've gone, You've just fucking described me to a tea. Because literally, once I've been up and up by my load and everything like that, I usually go down for my Mars bar and my car, but I'm sitting there going, Oh my god, he he really does pay attention to the community, he does, and about exactly what happens in his venues because he's described to perfection.
SPEAKER_01:He's tried so many different options there, and yeah, we will discuss later on what he talked about. Yeah, um, but he was very keen for us to go up and assess the BDSM thing. Yeah, now the BDSM thing you have to be invited only because it's a femdom, yeah. Um, and she is amazing.
SPEAKER_03:That's when the femdom is when the females are the dominatrix and their subs. Any man that enters, any any male gendered um identifying people that these are the heterosexuals, yeah. Yep. Well, any any male identifying, yeah, um, gendered identifying.
SPEAKER_01:She said any female dominatrix, isn't she?
SPEAKER_03:Anyone female subs up there as well. She said, but any man that enters that arena is a sub. Absolutely. There ain't no questions asked, right? Um in in that. And like um Miss Maddie, Miss Hattie, um is H-A-T-T-I-E. Um what a fucking knowledgeable. But what a great person she was. Oh, she was right. She was so funny. She was sexy, and her boy, yeah, her sub, naughty boy, right?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, he's he's so cute.
SPEAKER_03:He was very sweet, yeah, and he was kind, and he was a gentle, you can see he was very much sexy as well.
SPEAKER_01:He was like beautiful. So anyway, so Richard got permission to take. So Alan said, Look, guys, I want you to go up and speak to them, like explain to them what you're doing. Yeah. So this is where we wanted to get this information from, all right? Yeah. Because you would never get the information we got without being invited into that. Into the in the same table. Right. You could walk around, but you would never know what happened.
SPEAKER_03:Now, normally in that zone, right? You if you are in that zone, you need to be in kink fetishwear. Yeah. Right. Now, because we hadn't gone prepared to be in that zone, we were just still in our normal towers.
SPEAKER_01:We weren't ever going to be doing that.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, no.
SPEAKER_01:It's it's not it was for I've got some of that gear though. Yeah, but what I'm saying is we were there to find out the information, yeah, which we did tenfold. Oh, then some. Yeah, absolutely. My brain was oh my god, we we're gonna get her on to do a podcast with this. She said she wants to do one, yeah. But talk about wealth of knowledge, talk about an amazing person.
SPEAKER_03:So her and Naughty Boy host the event, the Femme Dom event, um, the fourth Saturday event.
SPEAKER_01:They've ever been together seven years, haven't they?
SPEAKER_03:They've been they've been a couple for seven years, yeah. As well. Um, and we we've got so many more questions that we just couldn't get there, and even if we did, um But she invited us in, she didn't have to.
SPEAKER_01:No, no, no, no. But she willingly invited us in. She and she gave up a lot of time to walk us through everything, didn't she?
SPEAKER_03:But she has her own dungeon. She does. Um, all right, and she brings a lot of her equipment in um to utilise there, but she also creates her own furniture and her own um equipment. Yeah, equipment, I want to call it. Yeah, right. Works with a uh torture torture devices. No, no, not torture. I'm joking. Um her equipment. Um what's that what do you call them? Those people that engineer works with an engineer to build this equipment, yeah, like they've like they've qualified to do, um, technically. Yep. Um but works with the engineer, and some of these pieces of equipment were amazing.
SPEAKER_02:They are heavy, yeah. And she brings it when she claims four, no, three stories with that.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, no, they store them there. Oh, do they? Yeah, they store those ones there. No, no, she's gonna be there. She stores them there, right? Ah and that's why I said I fucking I said, I said, Do you bring a U-Haul every week for this shit? And she's gonna no no no she says uh I store them here, they let me store them here, which is great, right? Um, but the pieces of equipment, oh my god, what like there was there was a chair that you sat in, right? And it's got a V cut out, right? Um It's like a throne, isn't it? Yeah, because she's really into cock and ball torture, yep, right? Um but you sit down on that with your balls and your dick hang down. But on the bottom, on the bottom there's a little bowl, and she said you're pissing it and basically just let somebody drink it, right? But and again, not something for me. No, I'm definitely not in.
SPEAKER_02:Like I said, but she covers everybody's fat issues.
SPEAKER_03:Now, I want to just when we say not something for me, all right. Just getting turned off. There was a couple of things that happened while we were in that zone, yeah, right. And it's ours to talk about because we can, because we're they're ours, right? Yep. Um, like I would never discuss other stuff that happened in there because for those people, but for me, we talked Miss Haydy talked about choking and about different things, spanking, and she talked us through different levels.
SPEAKER_01:Well, she was explaining one of the chairs she's got, and it was like you you kneel on it and put your head into like a head headrest, and then you get shackled down normally, okay? Yep, and then the femme dom takes control and she pushes her body into, which she said, look, have a go, lay in it, and I'll show you. So she got behind me. But the day did he lay down, she put her weight on me, but it felt so good. Yeah, it felt so so good. It felt like I felt I didn't feel constrained because obviously I wasn't tied up, but her her pushing against me felt quite erotic, right? Yeah, but also then she started putting her hand, and I was quite ticklish, but she put her hands into the side of my rib cases and up and down, right? Yeah, but I swear to god, I thought she had nails on that. It was like sharp, but it was like really pleasurable, you know what I mean? And she says, No, I've got no nails, and she showed me she had no nails, so whatever she was doing with her fingers was like pressure points, and she was just fucking great, she'd be a good massage person, she would be amazing, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And then Dave said, You've got to have a turn, and so I did, right? Um, but but even just watching her with Dave, yeah, like it was like she's a powerful woman, and it was sexy because like the thing is that while Dave was in this chair, she said, You do this, and she's like literally just got her knee and just kicked his leg open, and it just he just obeyed, right? And it was sexy just to watch somebody just go boom, yeah, and it was just like you'll do as you're told, kind of thing, and then she just laid on him, and it was just like she wasn't degrading, but she said that degrading is one of the things that she actually loves doing, right? Yeah, um, but it was like but then when I got in the chair and did the same thing, the chair itself, I could have had a nap in there, it was very joke, and she designed that as well. She designed it, right? Um, but again, it just she did the same thing for me with like it stuck her fingers in my thing and my felt like and it was amazing, but it was like it was sexy and and erotic, um, and all of the things that are above. And then she said to you, there's other things I can do. And she talked about choking, right? Now, so I was sort of kneeled up on the chair by that stage, but sort of still it was very secure and safe, right? And I she said, But like you don't get choked by just anyone, like and stuff like that. And she said, then you don't choke around here, and she was explaining the different levels of she knows her stuff inside of it. But when she pressed on my um like the pressure neck and stuff like that, and like to choke me out, like a seat. Which I had consented to like a seat matt's face, and he was like almost passing out. I was literally, it was just like their blood just rushed to the top of my head. It was such a bizarre, strange feeling. And it happened so quickly as well. That but I really enjoyed it. Yeah, yeah. So when I say it's not for me, I can't say it's not for me now, yeah, with with full integrity, because the thing is that I really enjoyed it, so I I wouldn't and now I was trusting her wholeheartedly because she is amazing, and the thing is that I felt safe with her. Like I I everyone that knows me knows that I have quite a lot of control issues, absolutely, and I don't give in to anyone, right? I've the kind of person that we're driving somewhere, I have to be the driver. Everyone knows that I have control issues, everyone right that knows me, right? So for me to just go trust her implicitly within meeting her for seconds, yeah, her level of integrity, everything about her was just up, up, up, up, up there, sort of thing.
SPEAKER_01:So but but going back just as we walked in as well, because it was quite busy in there, they so they had quite a few couples in there.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:Um, but everybody was clothed, there was nobody that was just fully naked, okay. So everybody had a level of attire where there was like um harnesses, kingway, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it wasn't sort of like you know, you're going in there and you're you're you're surrounded by naked people because it wasn't like that at all. Um, but there was a lot of different people there, different people with different fetishes. Exactly. And I was like blown away by that as well because for me they're just normal people, yeah. And you don't normally see that, you know, you don't get to see that very often in terms of you know the general public going in there and taking part in these kinks side of things.
SPEAKER_03:And I meant to I meant to sorry, I meant to say this the BDSM what it stands for is bondage, discipline, dominance, and submission, right? Um and then sadomacism sad sadism sadism and machine masochism. Yeah, yeah. So that's what I meant to say it was back in the early thoughts.
SPEAKER_01:But when you walked in, she um had all this like apparatus set up on a bench. It was all whips and different types, and again, it was like I was like really blown away because for me it's just like a whip is like normally and really hard, yeah. But she had latex ones, she had soft ones, she had hard ones, rubber, she had paddles, strings, and I was like, Oh, I don't like pain. I I'm I've got a very low pain threshold because obviously I have back surgery and stuff that I don't deal with pain very well. Yeah, she said, look, you know, I'll just let me slap you with hand. And I was like, okay, that's not what I thought it was going to feel like at all. Because no, you'd be surprised. Everyone's different, you know, different ones give different feelings. Um, and I think she at the end she paddled my ass, isn't she? Yeah, no, she was she slapped up with a whip. But one thing that she is so on point with is she makes sure that people are safe in every single way, right? Yep, she she knows that you're not meant to hit anywhere near the kidneys, and she has like she has so much medical knowledge and in regards to what she does, and I and I I think that's great. Yep, you know, I feel very safe with her. Oh, extremely safe. Very, very safe, you know what I mean? Extremely safe. Um, but look, I mean, would I go back again? I probably would to find out more. Yeah, um, I wouldn't do everything. I don't think I want to be dominated too much because I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, I can't, I mean who knows? The thing is that I to say I enjoyed it is an understatement because I didn't like we said, what time does things kick off here? And like, and Richard was telling us, oh, you know, a little bit later this happens, a little bit later that happens, and all that kind of stuff. And and so we were like I'd been awake since four o'clock in the morning. So there ain't no way I was gonna stay too late. Yeah, however, because it was so interesting and so intriguing, I wasn't tired. Like I was not tired. I could have stayed there for hours and had her talk for hours and hours. Like they had some of the apparatus um or the equipment, like they had um we spoke about the chair, right? We spoke about the the face-down chair, we spoke about the sit-down chair that again, everything had places for shackles, right? Um, they had the rocking horse, right? Which was really, really cool. It reminded me of a sled. Well, this is the it looked like a sled, but what it was used for is that as a human, as as a dom, you would get your sub to basically kneel on this thing, right? Hold on to restrain them in and restrain them in, right? And it actually rocked like a rocking horse, right?
SPEAKER_02:Use it as pegging people, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And they used it for pegging or anything like that, and everything like that as well. Now she was saying to one of the subs, right, he'd make a great pony, right? We should ride him, right? And basically, and and it didn't happen at that point in time, but I could imagine that that would have been happening later on in the evening and stuff like that, right? Yep.
SPEAKER_01:Um, which was this area is viewed from the other side, so people walking around can see because why the whole of the fence pool things are fed up. So people can actually see what's going on, but they can't take part. You can't get you can't be a creep and just go in there and get involved. So it's really safe. So we have full exclusivity to the area because she allowed us in. Yeah, and I'm so grateful for her doing that. And I and I learned so much in the short period of time. Like you said, hopefully she's gonna message us and we'll get her on to do a full podcast where we can ask her and her partner questions more because it's like taking up. Just have conversations with them because we we asked her how she got into it, didn't she?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and look, she discovered look back when she was younger, right? She discovered the sex book by Madonna, right? Which everyone knows, it's an iconic book. If you don't know it, go and Google it because it is online. Yep. And she went, Oh, I like that. That was like around the erotica era and all that kind of stuff. And she went, That's my thing, that's what I like. Yeah, um, and so got into that. But that's her story, so we'll let her tell her story.
SPEAKER_01:But it was just interesting how she developed into it, right?
SPEAKER_03:And then a lot of people just disc and when we were talking to some people in there, they said, Uh I said, 'How long have you been doing this?' And they said, 'For as long as I can remember, it's been my thing.' Yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Um, but there was But while you were talking as well, well, wh while I was talking to her, there was that couple that came in, weren't they? And what happened with that then two? They don't you you heard the conversation I was talking. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So there was again, there was This is where the rocking chair thing was, wasn't it? Another Dom and her sub. Yep. And they were standing there. Dave was having a chat with um Miss Haiti, and um and with there was another couple that were standing there, right? Um they'd be following us around a little bit. Yeah, they'd been walking around a bit. She was leading him around a bit and everything like that. And um standing there, and she just turned around and like and she said, turn and face the wall. And he did. And I almost turned and face the wall because it was sexy, and I'm sitting there going, Fucking hell. I kind of get it. Like I get it to let go of as a man, as a mask man that's in charge of shit from m Monday to Sunday in my life. All right, yeah. I get the giving into somebody completely. I do get the power in that, like, and the power that it would take, like for me to give in to somebody completely would be tough.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and it's all based on trust.
SPEAKER_03:It would be tough, right? I can cannot lie. But I get the power that that must give you as a man to give into that, yeah, but all the time. And the power of a woman, right, to actually be able to control, but not control in a negative way, because this is a it's it's a fishbowl kind of situation where you both agree to these terms. Yep. So when we said like that these Miss Hade and Naughty Boy have been in a relationship for seven years, happy anniversary, by the way, um, for today. Um, when they've been in that relationship, to be able to communicate that clearly in a relationship, that's a relationship that's gonna work. Yeah, because so many couples, and I can speak from experience, my communication with most of my exes has been shit. Yeah, because I didn't say what I wanted from a sexual, from a everyday, from a whatever. Like our communication was fairly crap, yeah, right. Especially as a general thing. But if you've gotten to the level where you can say, This is what I like from this level, from the sexual level, from the non-sexual, from the BDSM, from the from the kink space, that's pretty fucking clear communication, yeah, right. That you've actually been able to develop in a relationship. So I think it's I think it's a relationship that will actually last for a long time.
SPEAKER_01:But what I I liked as well is the fact that it was so nice to see the women having that empowerment. Yeah, and Miss Hade was very respectful to them, even though she liked berating them in a way that they wanted as well. And you know, she was like, you know, you know, dominating them as well. Yeah. I mean, she was the ultimate mistress, wasn't she? You know what I mean? Yeah, um, and there's things that she didn't like being called as well, which we won't mention because she'll tell you about that herself. Yep. Um, but look, I I I I I I just love it when I I I'm a very full advocate of women, uh empowerment of women. Yeah, I think the world needs to uh understand that there are equal opportunities on everybody, right? Yep, and I think women have a voice and they just they might not be physically as strong, but she was I fucking wouldn't be taking I swear to god I would go I would go anywhere with Haiti because uh she would look after you, she would know how to defend herself to the T. Yeah, she was amazing, yeah, amazing. She was so cool. But I just like the way that she interacted with everybody and she was talking to us, but she was still interacting with other people, yeah. And I love that about her.
SPEAKER_03:She we were there on a tour, but at the same time, when people where she could see, like, and she's so intuitive, yeah, um, to the people that were actually in that venue. Um, and she'd see somebody and she'd go, Look at that peachy ass, isn't that a beautiful peachy ass? And we were okay, not for me, but because again, girls, I think uh I spoke about it, I think, on the last episode, or when we were watching Naked Dating. I think girls' asses are attractive at all. I think they're freaking horrible. No offense, girls.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but that's because you're a gay man and you look at men in a way, the same as me as well, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03:But but we just said yes because we knew that we weren't allowed to say no, which was quite quite cool.
SPEAKER_01:At the end of the day, I felt that she was in control of herself as well, which is great, and she was like embracing her own femininity as well, which is good.
SPEAKER_03:And we had spoken with somebody about the B at ESM night a while ago, and we said, Oh, well, one of our friends, Miami, is quite dominant, and she'd give her a run for money. No, she wouldn't. No, not after seeing this.
SPEAKER_01:No, no, Miami would she would have a lot to talk about, and I think I think Miami would learn she would learn a lot. Miami would be. But I think she would gel well with Miss AD. Yeah, 100%. Because she's such an engaging person as well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and I think they would have a good old chat together. I think her Miami would come out, Miami would need another alter ego, right, to come out and take this role on. Um, but I think she would fit into the role. She'd be amazing. She would be, she'd be amazing in it. And I can see the outfits that she would actually wear, like the the the latex. She could actually be like Miss Haiti's like second in command, or something. The latex and the corset and the fucking everything. I think she'd look so fucking hot in some.
SPEAKER_01:But there was also a guy that was in full um latex. And that again, it was so soft. I almost want to go and get an outfit. I was so soft. No, I don't. But yeah. But look, I mean, it just like it was just like mind-blowing. I mean, yeah, we can talk about this all day and all night, right? It was what we will try and do is we'll try and organise for Miss Haiti and her boy. Come on, and we will hopefully do a full podcast where we can get her take from you know everything because she's she's the expert at the end of the day. We can only tell you what we saw and what we learned. But boy, I walked away from that thinking, holy fuck, I'm so undereducated in terms of what I know. Oh, yeah. And I've judged things in the past and never given it a second thought. But when you it's like anything, you try it once, and if you like it, you go back for more.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:And I think it's one of those things that I will do a little bit more exploring because I think it's opened my mind a little bit more to I'm gonna buy some nipple clouds for Dave. I know I don't think I I'm not sure about it. You'd love nipple clouds. You can buy a whip. Yeah, yeah. That'd be quite good. Look, I mean, at the end of the day, I'm willing to learn and and and and develop myself. I mean, I've been suppressed, like I said, all my life until I came out. Yeah, so for me, I think everybody out there, everything everybody out there should explore more. Yeah. I mean, we live once supposedly, hopefully more, because obviously I believe in reincarnation. Well, I do believe in reincarnation, but yeah, what I'm saying is living in the moment at the moment.
SPEAKER_03:You know who'd be actually, I think could be a good dominatrix? Amber. I think she would. I think she'd actually be really good.
SPEAKER_01:I think she would very much so, yeah. Yeah. And she she because she's got that power. She's yeah, she's the strongest. Even Helen. Oh, Helen would be. Oh my god, Helen, yeah. I think they would both be very good.
SPEAKER_03:I think a lot of our girls would be actually. I think even I think even the next level. Cleopatra would be oh god, can you imagine her with power? Yeah, Cleo would be fucking next level.
SPEAKER_00:I think all of them, yeah. I think all of our girls would be like, yeah, we'll have to discuss this with them because I think all of them they would love it. Yeah, that'd be great.
SPEAKER_01:But the thing is, the good thing as well is it's you know, we went there because obviously with Bonnie and Clyde, they wanted to know because I know that Bonnie was one that she didn't want to get undressed and stuff, and I get that 100%, you know what I mean? But everybody was closed, so she'll be able to go there and be herself. Yeah, I mean, obviously, wear an attire that suits the actual event, but I think her and Clyde that it would suit them well. I do.
SPEAKER_03:I think this is where they would the whole evening there was people in clothed. Clothes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like there was that Indian guy that was walking around with his um I think partner and their third. He would he would they were all fully clothed, and they were walking around all levels fully clothed. Yep. So it wouldn't be unusual to be fully clothed there.
SPEAKER_01:So again, that's where and again, I mean everybody was with a towel minimum anyway, because it wasn't one of those ones where people walk around naked anyway. Well, there's a couple of guys. There was a couple of guys, yeah. But then you know, that's not the norm anyway, unless you're on a Sunday night. Yeah, yeah. Um, but look, I mean, at the end of the day, um tick tick, I got off a lot of information from that, and I'm so glad I did. Got off. But then that didn't end there. So we we we we we thanked the hosts for inviting us in and obviously making contact and opening our arm our minds, like we said in our podcast, you know, open our eyes and open our minds, and we're happy to discuss anything. Yeah, nothing's off limits, and it isn't, you know what I mean? Correct. Um, but we then went downstairs to debrief, didn't we? We debriefed a bit, um because Claire had gone at this point, and he'd left because he'd gone. Yeah, so we've got to mention that Claire had left because obviously he was tired and everything else. So um, yeah, so me.
SPEAKER_03:But then we went downstairs, we chatted a bit more with the a lot more with the owner, yeah, right. And again, he showed us his son and so just photos of his son, which he's also fucking beautiful.
SPEAKER_01:But he's such an engaging man. Alan was just I was just like I could have sat there and talked with him.
SPEAKER_03:He's been and and I want to say a part of the community. Now, okay, it's a business, right? And I get where the pink dollar is that you make some money, right? But he genuinely cares about the community. He does. He was the way he was ha showing concern and showing um care in the conversation, and it you ain't you can't fake that.
SPEAKER_01:But this is why he was saying he's tried so many concepts to try and make it work, and he was explaining to us.
SPEAKER_03:He was explaining when he said when they initially had strippers and all that kind of stuff, and how they had female, no, they had male strippers initially because he wanted the gay community to do it because he wanted the gay to embrace the gay community because it was a gay venue and all that kind of stuff. Um, but he had male strippers, but a lot of the patrons were actually put off by the male strippers because he always hired the best of the best of the best of looking guys, right? And everyone like that. But then when they went, then one of his trans girls said, Well, let me show you how to draw a crowd. And he said, I don't want to do this up there and she said, No, I'm gonna strip, right? And he went, Okay, go. And then he said, Next minute, she's drawn the crowd, she's fucking finished the show off by coming all over some guy's face, um, right? And it was the biggest hit ever, and so they did it again and repeated it, and all that kind of stuff. Now he said that unfortunately she got beaten up, yeah. She got beaten up in Queensland and all this kind of stuff. So and he was heartbroken. You could see he was heartbroken for her. So the thing is that when when I say there's no fakery there, you could see it in his face.
SPEAKER_01:His emotions were 100%, yeah. You know, and he he wasn't scripted, or I think he just went off. And we were having a great chat. And he gave up his time because he was busy.
SPEAKER_03:And he's saying, 'Yeah, tell him I'll call him back. Like you'll tell him I'll call him back.' I'm busy having a conversation with the show. I just felt yeah, I felt quite privileged. I felt really privileged in that as part of it. Now, when he says he hires only top talent, now when the strip show came. Because we'd heard we weren't gonna stay where we were with. Okay, we went as well. Because we were then chatting so long, it was literally five minutes time and the strip show will be on. Everyone come downstairs, like Richard did the PA announcement and stuff like that. Now, so we said, and he said, I'll go and enjoy the show. Okay, cool. Well, we're here now, and we're we're we're gonna so we're gonna go and sit down. And he said, Don't sit in the front seat because she will pick on the people in the front seat. And this is a cis cis woman. Cis woman, yeah, cis gendered woman. But um female.
SPEAKER_01:She was in the police outfit, wasn't she, to start with? Yeah, yeah, like chaps. Holy fuck. Talk about being tall. She's tall, glamorous. Her fucking figure was absolutely amazing. Stunning. I'm I'd say she was probably in her 40s. Yeah, early late 30s. Yeah, early 30s, early 40s. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But just again, what a what a what a statuesque glamour of a woman. She she was doing pole pole dancing. She was doing yeah, similar similar sort of figure to um Brittany, sort of thing. About that sort of height, a little bit taller, I think, with a few more curves and stuff like that as well, I think. Um so about that that build of a woman, sort of thing, and stuff like that. But yeah, so yeah, so so she was a gorgeous woman, right, as well. Um, turned up in her outfit and then started peeling back the layers bit by bit. Can dance, yeah, can move up that pole, down that pole for a while.
SPEAKER_01:Well, she was interacting with the audience as well. Yeah. Um, she she started off, obviously, she took her top off first. She had like a bikini top on, and she had a meat for a police outfit. And she had great boobs, great little boobs, yeah. Natural boobs looking up. They weren't they weren't. But they were nice. Little perky ones. Nice, nice nipples and stuff on it. And she was like loving, she she had long hair, she had glasses on, which took off. Whipping it and floored and playing. She was getting engaged, uh, she was engaging with the getting getting um what you call it, whipped cream and stuff like that, and getting putting it. I said if she comes to me, I'm telling her I'm like, with a lot of the females there, weren't they? From the from the from the from the femme, yeah. Yeah, from the femme. So they were licking um but they were licking the cream off bits and stuff like that. And then she then got pretty much naked completely, didn't she? Yep. And then who did she pick on, Matt? She's picked on Dave.
SPEAKER_03:She came and did a handstand and ended up with her joy to right away. Right in Dave's face, and I've gone, oh god, thank God that wasn't because she literally went bam, bam, and you could hear it into his face, and I'm thinking, oh fuck me. That didn't happen to me.
SPEAKER_01:I would have been gone, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, I I was I was touching her ass the whatever because I didn't know what I was meant to do. I thought I might know to, but obviously she didn't mind anyway, but fuck she's so athletic, wasn't she?
SPEAKER_03:But she was so athletic and so fit, yeah, and like it was a show, and I'm sitting there going, We're in arrows, which we've always okay, we're if we're talking saunas, right? Because Sydney City Steam is pretty high-end, it's pretty luxe and stuff like that. Um, bodyline, again, they've recently renovated, so it's fairly new and fairly fresh and all that. Yeah, so we've always sort of seen arrows as the bottom pegging level. Well, in terms of like night. But I'll change my opinion because I tell you what, like the the entertainment factor, right? The the money that that that he would have had to pay her, the stripper, right? Was she won't she weren't some fucking five dollar off fucking Sefton Playhouse kind of crap stripper, right? Not at all. She was a pop-up, proper legit, real deal, um, worth her money. And and I was actually expecting her to walk around for tips at the end, yeah, right? Yep, but none of that. So he's paid her well enough to not warrant to get tips, yep. Right? So this is where I think Alan's done a phenomenal job at building a business.
SPEAKER_01:And again, because we've only been on the Sunday, we've only just taken, I mean, I think we need to go back a few more times during the week and stuff when we got when we get the opportunities and stuff.
SPEAKER_03:I need a Friday night for all these trading.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but what I'm saying is we we need to explore more as well ourselves, you know what I mean? Yeah, and we've become so mindset in our ways that we just like on bam bam. Bam bam. Yeah. And I think again, like our podcast says, you know, we explore and we're gonna, you know, open up our minds. Yeah. And I think after last night, I think even my mind is blown away. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mine is definitely. So to Bonnie and Clyde for you know installing us to go and check it out. Checking out, thank you again. Yeah. And we want to take you. You have to go for a road trip. And I'd like to take a lot of the other women as well. Because I think on that sort of night they would feel safe. Yeah. But it's not all about the sex side of things there. You know what I mean? I think it's about them learning about stuff as well.
SPEAKER_03:Yep. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I do honestly believe it's like it's it's like a schoolhouse, wasn't it, last night? It was it was a school day. Yeah. It was and it just it was just so mind-blowing. I think it was so cool. Yeah. And there was just you didn't feel threatened in any way at all.
SPEAKER_03:Our energy levels were next level.
SPEAKER_01:And we never saw any any drugs or we never saw anything, did we? Because there's not anything like that. Because they got rid of all that. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03:It was great. There was not.
SPEAKER_01:And to be honest with you, I think there was it was probably a little bit better than what it is on the Sunday. Because sometimes you get that really sort of like you get some pretentious dickheads. When you get people following around and harassing you and stuff like that, but there was none of that last night, was there?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but also I think if we had been cross-dressers, cross dressers or trans, we might have had a bit more following. Yeah. Because there was when when when the crossdresser orgy was happening, there was a lot of onlookers that were piling in there, and there were some creepy men then, like um of certain national that were fucking filing into that room.
SPEAKER_02:Look, I mean it was they had there was over 200 people there last night, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_03:And he said normally there's an average of about 300. You said that's an average of about 300 normally.
SPEAKER_02:So look, they're doing well to get the crowds to come in. It also shows that people out in the community are just normally.
SPEAKER_01:There's a need for it. Exactly. You don't know who you're sitting next to on the train. And this is where I like people like Alan that and that provide that service for people out there because they they, you know, people say, Oh, it's a sex house, it's a brothel, whatever. It's not, it's something completely different. It's somewhere safe. It's community, yeah. It's community. And again, he's probably paying more for that night than he's taking, I think. You know what I mean? To be honest with you. I know you'd have to make some money. Yeah, but not a lot because you know the running cost of that place as well is a phenomenal because it's open 24 hours a day, isn't it? You know, yeah, pretty much. Yeah. But look, I mean, at the end of the day, I mean, you know, last night was a huge, huge tick, and I'm so glad that we went. Yep. Um, and would I go back again? Yes, I would. Yep. Um, and I think you know, taking other people there will be a good thing for them as well. Yeah. Field trip. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I think I think you know, it just explores people, it allows them, it allows them to see what we've seen.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And they might understand what we're talking about more then, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And look, I yeah. But I think anybody out any of our listeners, if you're in Sydney or if you're in anywhere in the world and you've got one of these sorted, go and have a check it out. You know, you be any demographic of people you want to be.
SPEAKER_03:The thing is that like if you're curious about like a femdom event, like they like I said, they happen on the last Saturday of every month. Yep. Take your get up with you. Yep, right. Check it out.
SPEAKER_02:It's 30 bucks, it's it's well worth the money.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, speak to Miss Haiti and say to her, hey, look, and I'm not sure if there's an additional cover charge for the Femme Dom. I'm not sure. Um I'm not sure, don't I? I'm not sure. But talk to Miss Haiti and get her to explain you through some things and stuff like that. Like she's more than willing to. Um, like I said, like there were people in there that were brand new, and she said she has quite a lot of people that are brand new to the whole thing, and she basically almost runs a school for them to teach and explore their own limits and stuff like that. And that's a safe place to explore your limits because there are people around there that will help you.
SPEAKER_01:And it's like anything, you go to the experts and you'll come out an expert yourself. I think, you know. Yeah. Um, and I think, you know, at the end of the day, you know, you live once in this lifetime. Yep. Go and have fun, enjoy your life, and basically don't listen to what society tells you you have to do. As long as you're safe and you're happy and you're interested in doing things, fuck it. Go and do it. Go and have fun. Sex is a very, very powerful thing. Yeah, and it's I think it is exactly right. You know, it's there to have fun. So I would say to anyone, just get out there and yeah, definitely have that have that time of your life.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, definitely. All right, this week I've been Matt. And I'm Dave as usual. And we'll talk to you. So wrap from us, we've been your Fully Grown Homos, and we look forward to opening your mind, your ears, and your curiosities. Don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe, and share our podcast with your curious friends. You can contact us on Fully Grown Homers Podcast at gmail.com or any of our socials fully grown homo's podcast.
