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The Gay-for-Pay Phenomenon: Sexuality for Sale
What price would you put on your sexuality? In this candid episode, Dave and Matt peel back the curtain on the fascinating world of "gay-for-pay" pornography while sharing their recent adventures as fully grown homos navigating Sydney's gay scene.
The journey begins with updates on Dave's ongoing home renovations before diving into a Father's Day outing that unexpectedly led to church—their code word for the sauna—where cruising codes and memorable encounters await detailed description. Matt's subsequent STI clinic visit results in an unexpected diagnosis that becomes a running joke when his friend's husband hilariously mistakes "STI" for a new Subaru.
Between recounting their exploits at light festivals and football games, the pair tackle their main topic with characteristic frankness: what motivates straight-identifying men to perform in gay adult films? They trace the evolution of gay-for-pay from its surprising origins in the 1980s AIDS crisis through to today's OnlyFans era, where performers like Andy Lee have built empires beyond traditional studio systems. The economic realities prove eye-opening—with some performers earning thousands in a single session compared to straight porn's relatively modest payouts.
Their discussion delves into thought-provoking questions about sexual fluidity, authenticity, and what truly constitutes orientation versus behavior. Is it really just about the money, or is curiosity always a factor? Would you go "straight for pay" if the price was right?
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Speaker 1:Welcome, Matthew. What's been happening?
Speaker 2:Ah well, you hit the button and I'll tell you you mean this button With some attitude, please, fully grown and feeling fine. Snap those fingers, sip that wine.
Speaker 1:Get your fix. No need to nap. It's Dave and Matt with a weekly wrap. It's a weekly wrap. Well, bi-weekly. This week, bi-weekly. Yeah, we've been lazy fuckers. No, we've been too busy. Too busy doing lots of stuff, lots of everything lots of everyone.
Speaker 2:It's been very productive. Well, we have been really busy. Yeah, we have In our own lives and also with friends, work and friends and family and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:So what have you been up to, Dave? What Work and friends and family and all that kind of stuff. So what have you been up to, Dave? What haven't I been up to? Oh, you tell me what you've been up to I'll tell you what you haven't been up to.
Speaker 2:I'll start with the non-naughty stuff. Okay, go, yeah, no, I've just been continuing, as you know, with the renovations. Obviously, I'm still waiting for this loan approval for me to continue doing the rest of. Hopefully this week I'll find out Cross all the fingers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and toes and everything else that goes with it, dicks. So obviously I've been a bit stressed, as you know, about that. But you know, hopefully this week will be a good week for that sort of things, but no, I've just been continuing doing things I know I can get on with that still need to be finished off, like painting, touching up bits and pieces.
Speaker 1:And if you can hear that noise, it's the rain in the background. It's fucking pouring down at the moment. It is pelting. That's what I was thinking. Such a beautiful I was thinking what have we done?
Speaker 2:No, it's just the noise of the rain. It hadn't just started as well, so, yeah, but yeah, I went over to the other house where Mike and my son live, yeah, and we were there busy cleaning, kept for a long time. That's called hoarding. It's well, it's not purposely hoarded, it was just stuff that we hadn't got around to getting rid of and stuff had been put outside ready to sort through to give to charity.
Speaker 2:Then we obviously had all that rain and flooding and stuff in between yeah so yeah, so it kind of ruined everything, so we got rid of it just like that. There's no point in saving it now, just get rid of it. So that was a productive couple of days at the other house, obviously coming back and forth to your place checking on the girls while you've been at work, yep, and then obviously then we've been doing other things together. We have.
Speaker 1:We've done quite a few, so let's go chronologically back to a couple of weeks ago, on a Sunday morning, when we went to Father's Day for breakfast Father's Day yeah, my dad, my older sister and my dad's girlfriend all went to and you and me, obviously, yep, went to Father's Day. I read a little cafe in Liverpool somewhere, great food.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was lovely Good coffee. It looked like it was just a hole in the wall.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't even know it's there. It was very deceiving, wasn't it? You'd walk past it. You would walk past it.
Speaker 2:But great food from great talent there, but prior to that, while we were waiting for your dad well, we thought we were waiting for your dad Me, you and your sister went off to that shop, didn't we?
Speaker 1:We did. Was it a chemist? It was a chemist's warehouse and it had the chemist's warehouse sign up the front still, but then had it said bargain shop or something like that inside. So we went in.
Speaker 2:It was like a Aladdin's cave, wasn't it?
Speaker 1:Oh, it was fucking so cool. We got cheese, a squeezy cheese can which tastes pretty awful. Just going to say. They were actually selling that in the other shops now, yeah, they were selling it for like $14 in the other shop, yeah, and there it was only like $5. So I had to buy it because there was some good stuff in there but then there was like crap stuff as well. There's some like candied bacon, but it looks like I haven't yet tried it.
Speaker 2:No, not yet. You should try it.
Speaker 1:I should try it after this episode. I'll report back next week.
Speaker 2:If he doesn't report back, you know what's happening I'm dead.
Speaker 1:I've fucking died from bacon. That would be the worst nightmare of my life dying from something bacon related. But you like pork. I know I love bacon.
Speaker 2:I live for bacon.
Speaker 1:I know I live for bacon, so the thing is that that would be the worst way to die.
Speaker 2:For me, being pork would be the worst way to die for me? Oh, being porked, you mean no being bacon related to death.
Speaker 1:I've been being russet, but no, I'm just anything bacon related. I would not like bacon on my death certificate, right what do you mean?
Speaker 2:the word?
Speaker 1:pig pig, piggy play, pig pig play.
Speaker 2:No thanks, that's on me no I'm very vanilla, I'm like well, kind of I don't think, kind of I don't think so Kind of, we'll talk about that later, unless you're pork scratching. Yeah, did you get?
Speaker 1:it. Yep, yes, I did get your pork scratching yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that was a good day. I mean, people said to me why don't you go with your son? I don't celebrate Father's Day. You know myself personally, it's just another day. If my son can't show, then I don't get it. He tells you he loves you every single phone call he does. Unless you're ending in anger. So for me, I mean, I know it's a nice way to spend family time. It's good in that regards, yeah, but I don't celebrate it myself.
Speaker 1:So he was working as well. We try and catch up with Dad as often as we can.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, Because he's funny. We did catch up last week anyway. Last week anyway because him and my ex came to the club with us all. Yeah, they did, and they did really well on the pokies.
Speaker 1:They did, they had a win. They both had a win. They did very good, they did very well. Yep, so we did Father's Day. That was nice that was really fun.
Speaker 2:Then we said goodbye to your father. Then we said goodbye and went and said happy.
Speaker 1:Father's Day to all the daddies at church, in church, yeah.
Speaker 2:Church, the sauna. You were reluctant to go back to Arrows.
Speaker 1:I was Because you wanted to go to the city, because you haven't been there for a while. Well, I said we should go to the city because it's only a half an hour drive from where we were anyway, and the last time we'd been was quite quiet, so it was like you know.
Speaker 2:You thought, okay, maybe it wasn't.
Speaker 1:Pretty shit, it was a really successful day.
Speaker 2:It was Kind of Okay kind of it was, and we met Clay there afterwards. Yeah, clay came and gave him a happy Father's Day.
Speaker 1:But we had a really good day and there was one guy there in particular, like there was so many really hot guys there, but there was one younger guy there who was so fucking fit and he had a big dick and he just kept following us a bit for a while there.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to think now.
Speaker 1:The really hot one that kept following us.
Speaker 2:There were a few hot ones.
Speaker 1:No, but he held back, and held back, and held back and I said it's like he wants it but at the same time I don't think he does. Yeah, I know, but apparently we played with him before, apparently we played with him before, but when he had longer hair and I don't remember that, but he was fit as fuck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I thought maybe he wasn't interested. I thought he was and then he wasn't and he was like then we went upstairs and it was like game on. Turns out he was. You can sort of like tell where people have fallen. You, yeah, and we get the over the years. We've got to know this all of the code of like cruising and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Cruising code is a thing.
Speaker 2:But you know, so me and Matt will go in there and we'll sort of like walk around, and then we'll sort of like catch someone sort of like following us around.
Speaker 1:We'll just move around just to check to. Or we'll say, let's go hunting and we'll follow them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that can happen quite a lot which we do, quite a lot we go stalking, stalking the outbreak, then we'll stop and we'll start making out and stuff like that, and that normally is a crowd starter. Yeah, and we've managed to do that many, many times many, many, many, many times, but this guy was yeah, primo.
Speaker 2:So we walked into one of the back rooms open room, yep and me and Matt just start making out, and then he stood next to us and then you sort of like kind of reach over and start playing with them a little bit or touching them, yep, and then, before you know it, they start interacting, and that's the way it starts. And then by the time you then are engaging in sort of like playful mode, then there's a whole group of people standing watching.
Speaker 2:Watching, joining, masturbating, doing whatever they want, trying to join in some of them which you don't want to, some of them you go no thanks. So yeah, so that's the way it worked and then, basically, yeah, it was a good session.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he hadn't come in like three days, he said I thought he was longer than that.
Speaker 2:I thought five days Anyway. So yeah, he was dying to release his load, dying to release it.
Speaker 1:So he helped him with that, and he was a big boy, wasn't he? He was a big boy, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And he's fucking huge load.
Speaker 2:He was very sensitive with his balls. He didn't like his balls being touched that much. No, because they were very sensitive, yeah. But there was another guy that was really fucking hot as fuck. Remember he came in afterwards, headed guy, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Now I'm not sure his, yeah, but he was strange like he was really. His reactions were strange. Yeah, because like so he'd let you touch him, he'd touch you, all that kind of stuff I said but then, yeah, you sucked him. But then the the other guy went to kiss him on the side of the neck, I think no, that's why.
Speaker 2:No, that was, that was um, that was the other guy yeah, the other guy went to kiss him on the side of the neck.
Speaker 1:I don't want to mention his name, went to kiss him on the side of the neck and he just said no and he walked out in a half and it was just like holy fuck okay.
Speaker 2:That was definitely what we saw from the other room. I'm not sure whether he was after saying more with us. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:I don't know, it was bizarre as fuck. So yeah, it was um, it was really interesting, but anyway, uh, people had a good time we had a good fun day at church that day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So then next day, monday, we had our uh what we thought was our three monthly. Well, yeah, turns out we've been really bad boys and we hadn't been for a long time, well, almost six months, and that's the reason is because I had that kidney infection, remember, with last time and things just got bustling and we hadn't been for a long time.
Speaker 2:Well, almost six months, and that's the reason is because I had that kidney infection, remember with last time, and things just got bustling and we haven't been that busy in terms of going out and stuff I haven't been whoring around too much, not like we used to contrary to my results.
Speaker 1:So yeah, um, so yeah, we went for our regular checkups, as as we do so. You tell them what you do when you have your checkups, matt Mark, so when you go into the clinic you pre-book your checkups at the clinic and they basically take in there. You do a urine swab Sorry, a urine sample A urine sample. You do a throat swab and anal swab right on these little things. Now, if you're do, they take blood.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they take blood, and they take bloods, as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as well. So they take bloods and they test for hov and a number of other things as well.
Speaker 2:Right, um, anything that's sti related basically yeah, and hepatitis and all that or sti blood related stuff, yeah yeah, so they test you for all that kind of stuff so we did that. You saw the. You saw the nurse first, no, the doctor first. I saw her after you. She's so sweet and so lovely. She's very timid, isn't she?
Speaker 1:Look, all the nurses there at Penrith are so good and the doctors yeah, the nurses and the doctors are receptionists. All of them are really really good. They're really friendly, they care, they genuinely care they do. Right and they have a bit of banter. They've got personality, which is fun to actually go. You don't feel like you're going and being judged or anything like that.
Speaker 2:They're also very responsible for their own catering of you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. So they take their professionalism very, very seriously. 100. But, like you said, they are very caring, very open, very easy to engage with yep so it makes the whole process a lot easier, you know yeah, yeah, so yes, I see it.
Speaker 1:Um, so I had that test and we came back to your place and we came back here had some dinner or whatever it was.
Speaker 2:Then I got a phone call about this. We had our appointment about four o'clock in the afternoon, didn't?
Speaker 1:we yeah, yeah, I got a phone call from the clinic about seven o'clock.
Speaker 2:Yeah, normally you don't get any any information until the next day or maybe the day after that, because obviously it takes time for the results, yeah, um, but obviously because of my kidney functions and the way my kidneys have been over the years, um, in order for me to be on prep, even on daily sorry on demand because obviously I was on daily, but they said because my kidney function was low down well, coming down they thought that it wasn't right for me to take it daily.
Speaker 2:So they said look, you can still have the coverage just on demand, which is fine, and I've been doing that for the last year and a bit.
Speaker 1:And what is on demand? Demand, dave, for some of our listeners.
Speaker 2:So basically, on demand is basically so what is PrEP? For some of our listeners, prep is a form of medication that is a preventative to catching HIV HIV, so it's not 100% but 99.8%, so it's got a high percentage of protection.
Speaker 2:Now, unfortunately, you can still be unlucky, you know, depending whether or not you've taken the prescription properly. Daily means one tablet a day, every day, you know no missing it or anything like that. And then, on demand, you have to give yourself a minimum of two hours prior to engaging in sex for it to have any effect. So normally they recommend taking it at least 24 hours, if you can because it gives you that window of protection even more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then what you do is you take two tablets on the day that you're engaging in sex, and then you take a further tablet the day after and a further tablet after. So it's two one one, yeah. Yeah, if you do feel like you're going to carry on having sex, then he just asks you to take another tablet for the days that you're taking you're engaging sex. So it covers you for two days after.
Speaker 2:Yes, you take two tablets. You take two more tablets, one each day, after you stop engaging sex. Yeah, all right, um, so, yeah, and it's been known that he's got like 95 96 success rate of like protection.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, uh, yeah, so that's just bloody good yeah, so I I did that and obviously I got my script. They knew from my history about my kidney functions being up and down, so I think to be on prep you've got to be a minimum 60 to 70. 60 to 78, I think is a normal range for anybody with kidney um in our age group and stuff like that. Okay, um, mine, when he started yeah, mine started off around about 73 when I first went on prepping it came down to 65, 66, 68 and it kept it up and down. So that's why they were monitoring me more and more, yeah, and then so every now and then, depending on circumstances. But, um, I've got a virus.
Speaker 2:I've been on on medication myself in terms of like antibiotics or something else. It can lower your sort of like um, your elevations of your kidney function down. So mine came down to 56. So obviously that's what they phoned me for. So they obviously got my blood test back straight away. So without any doubt, they turned around and said look, we won't let you take PrEP, just don't take anything please. But we want you to come back the following week so we can do further testing just to see what the levels are next week.
Speaker 2:Now I told them what medication was on. I told them, you know, they asked me if I'd had any antibiotics because obviously, like I said, it affects the problems. Um, I couldn't remember being on any antibiotics, I hadn't been ill, um, but again I I was very stressed, as you know. Yeah, so the stress can also cause issues with your kidney function, which I didn't realize or didn't remember to mention it to them. So that week, so I went back the following monday with you. This monday, yeah, and this monday week week, yeah, we go today we're actually doing monday, monday session.
Speaker 2:Today. We were busy yesterday, um, and yeah, so I went back and I did my tests again last Monday and then again they found me back on the following Tuesday and said your levels have gone back up to 61. So bear in mind, 60 is a minimum, but they're still very cautious about, you know, prescribing me medication because it's still quite low. So they've requested that I have further tests done with my GP, which I've done last week. I get the results back on Wednesday and then hopefully they will request me to go and see a kidney specialist and then he'll make the call. He'll decide whether he believes it's safe for me to have it. So this is where they're going. So it takes the ownership from them giving me. I can still say yes, she told me, yeah, she said if you want to take it, that's your business, it's a risk you run.
Speaker 2:You have to sort of like you know, say that you're happy to take it and we will give it to you. Yep um. But it can't come back to us saying you know, we've given you this medication. Yeah so that that makes it 100%. Yeah, so for me, I mean I would rather take it if I had to, because to me it's another level.
Speaker 1:I I I do worry, it's a level of protection and look, and there is, I mean, but there is now other, there are it's injections injections yeah, but they're still in the price range is a ridiculous next level like at the moment and then at the moment, yeah, sort of and stuff like that, pbs will um hopefully bring that price.
Speaker 1:Hopefully hopefully, because they're six monthly or yearly um, yeah, that's all right um, yeah, six monthly or yearly, so the'm just going to have a cup of coffee, sorry, yeah, that's all right. Yeah, six-monthly or yearly. So the thing is that that will be really beneficial because there's frequency of actually taking a daily tablet and stuff like that as well. So it would be really, really good I'd get it myself.
Speaker 2:Quite honestly, the success rates they've had have been really outstanding, yeah the same success rate from from a 99 point percentage as well.
Speaker 1:But there is also and I don't want to go down the path of talking medications today but there is also a new drug that's actually targeted the HIV antibody and it's killing it.
Speaker 2:Yes. So it's actually it's in studies and it's like it's being tested now so that it will actually kill. Hiv. I think it makes it come out, doesn't it?
Speaker 1:It brings it out of wherever it is hiding, and attacks it and kills it and basically gets rid of it out of your system somehow, I think they've got a very similar thing with cancer at the moment as well.
Speaker 2:They Basically gets rid of it out of your system somehow. I think they've got a very similar thing with cancer at the moment as well.
Speaker 1:They're doing trials with cancer very similar With certain cancers, so it brings a cancer out and it attacks it and kills it. So that's very clever. It's certain cancers and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:So yeah, but anyway, but I hear that you were given a new. Subaru this week.
Speaker 1:So I did get a follow-up phone call on the Tuesday from the clinic. I was at work, I was doing some stuff and I had probably about six or seven people around me.
Speaker 2:That's quite a low number for Matt normally.
Speaker 1:Oh ouch, I was at work, I said, and doing something, so I couldn't just walk away from this, and I said look, said look, yep, yep, yep. Then they were asking is it okay to talk? I said yeah, yeah, of course it is. Um, it's not like I was on speakerphone or anything. And they said just letting you know that we've got some your results back now. You're clear for hiv.
Speaker 1:Um, you're clear for this, you're clear for that however you have come back positive for gonorrhea in the throat, which is quite funny because, as it turns out, my regular buddies being Dave and another mate, clay, they both come back as negative right. So they both sat there and they said have you been cheating on us? And I said no. I said I guess the glory hole I chose had the good lollipop.
Speaker 2:But anyway. So you were rewarded with a new car, weren't you?
Speaker 1:So hang on, there's a story to this. So I come back positive with Forgotten Rory of the Throat. So there's a couple of funny stories that have come out of this with the gonorrhea of the throat. So there's a couple of funny stories that have come out of this. Now there's a couple of things that I guess that unless you've got it, or unless you're actually in the circle and talking about STIs or what they used to be known as STDs in the old days, unless you're actually talking about these, you wouldn't necessarily know. So first funny story which again we found funny, but again, it is quite common that a lot of people don't know is that when we announced I didn't announce it. It's not like a birth Congratulations, I've got a baby, got a rear, oh no.
Speaker 1:But when I was talking on our group chat with our hoes, a couple of our girls, brittany and Miami. Miami said no, sorry. Brittany said but I kissed you and I sat there and I went yeah, you're fine, trust me. But I didn't even think that because, again, she's not a hoe like me, so she doesn't know about STis like why would she know? She's like she's a mom that's not married, but a mom that's been with her partner for a long time, so she wouldn't know that. Yeah, so we had a chuckle and we're going as if you can get her from kissing. But then we thought, well, hang on a second. She wouldn't know the answers, she wouldn't know why. So it's like hang on second. So we did a bit of I did some chat, gbting and asked a lot of questions about how can you transmit it, and kissing is definitely not even on the card. You basically have to have a dick in your mouth to catch it.
Speaker 2:And it's all blood to blood.
Speaker 1:No, it's blood to blood, basically, and it's yeah, you can get it. It's usually, it says, can gonorrhea be transmissed between sites as well? So for myself, could I then get it in the right other parts of my body? And that's a hard no as well, yeah, um, unless I can suck my own dick.
Speaker 2:it's almost like in your cock and then then, then, I suck their dick and blah blah if you had it in your ass.
Speaker 1:Then you get it in the ass yeah, so anything stuff like that, like that. So yeah, but you can't pass it on through kissing and stuff like that as well, which I found which was good to know, obviously very good to know on that, but you can't do that either, so you can't catch it through drinking it out of a straw of somebody or anything like that. But yeah, main transmission routes is vaginal, anal or oral direct mucous membrane contact, basically From mother to baby during childbirth. They can actually get it as well Rarely, but via contaminated fingers, toys if in contact with fluids, but that's the same with all STIs as well, yeah yeah, so that was actually really cool to know on that as well.
Speaker 1:But then the funniest story came. So, talking to Miami, and Miami, who we'd know a lot more about, who knows? Because she was a hoe. You guys have heard her episode, hopefully. If not, go back and have a listen, because it's fucking brilliant and she'll be coming on again soon. Yeah, she will be coming on again soon, but she was a hoe, definitely um, a retired hoe now um. But she was talking to her husband and she said, like you know, matt's got an sti. What was his response, dave?
Speaker 2:he said oh fuck, what he said is he got a new subaru he said did he get the new subaru? We were on speakerphone and we justphone.
Speaker 1:We were killing ourselves laughing. So he thought again, he's innocent, he's a very innocent, naive man. He was never a player or anything like that, he's just a really lovely guy, yep. But he didn't know what an STI was because, again, when he was probably younger, they would have been called STDs as well and he probably would have been used to safe sex as well?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he's been married for forever and yeah, so it was just like oh yeah, of course he wouldn't know either, but you could hear in his voice he was like oh, what kind of Subaru is he?
Speaker 1:got. He got the new ST and you could tell he was genuinely believing it was a new car. A new car. So it was funny as fuck. So we've now Miami's basically said like you know, did you go and get your fuel injection and stuff like that? Did you pick up the keys? Are we going to park it in your garage?
Speaker 2:this week Are we going to?
Speaker 1:So we've had a lot of car chat that's covert for STIs, basically for gonorrhea, but the cure for gonorrhea is a big-ass needle right in your ass, right? So we went because I had to obviously do a follow-up appointment with the clinic.
Speaker 2:So I had to go back for more blood. So you tagged on.
Speaker 1:You had to go back for more blood. So you tagged on you had to go back for more blood, so you tagged on. And so then they said, when they told me I was tested positive, so I said, all right, cool, no worries, I'll come along on that same day. And we went back and I got my shot in the ass.
Speaker 2:When we first arrived we had to book in and the receptionist same receptionist. She goes oh, you're back, boys. And I said, yeah, I've got to come back and have a blood. She said, oh yeah, she checked my details. Oh yeah, you're on the list here.
Speaker 1:And I said, no, I've got to come back for an injection. She said, oh, you're in the naughty boy column and she laughed. And she laughed and I went yep, that's me. And then the nurse came out, basically, and she said oh, you've been a bad boy, I shouldn't talk to you. She said, but come with me, right? So we went in and we were having a chat and I told her about the STI and the Subaru.
Speaker 2:Which she thought was funny.
Speaker 1:Which she thought was amusing as well. But she's basically propped me up on the bed, sort of pulled my pants down, stuck a freaking needle in my ass. She said you're going to feel a bit numb here as well, right, because we put a bit of anesthetic in there as well, right around it and, holy fuck, my ass went dead for pretty much the afternoon. It would have been great to get bottomed in, but, yeah, get pounded, but it was like numb as anything. It was actually quite a painful needle.
Speaker 2:How long have you got?
Speaker 1:to wait now. I had to wait a week, which is today. I'm back out of dick-stillation now Dick-stillation absolutely. Dick-stillation. I'm out of dick-stillation so I can go and suck dick again now. Probably not going to, because I'm a little bit weary after this weekend, I'm just saying but I can at least do it now.
Speaker 2:anyway, we digress because we and then four tablets as well oh, okay, yeah that's what.
Speaker 1:That's what you had to take as well, but yeah, so what? What else we've done? We've done we went to that festival we went to the real festival in penrith right which was in sydney, western sydney, which is in western sydney people all right. It was really really good. It was so cool. We went with Dick and Fanny and with… Miami.
Speaker 2:No with Brittany and Justin. Justin, yeah, yeah, and their child, their spawn.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But it was a really really cool night, wasn't it?
Speaker 1:It was such a fun night, like the company's great, obviously, so people that are from Australia and from Sydney more so would know about Vivid.
Speaker 2:So Vivid is a light festival that they have on the harbourside every year and it's a bigger festival with lights and it's a theme and everything else. It used to be good, yeah. Well, it used to be free as well, yeah. But what they've done is a very smaller version. It's on the river. It's not really vivid, it's a light show, but it's more interaction. Lights isn't it. Yeah, they have a dj they had lasers on the light on the on this from the river, which was absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was cool and they just had like market stalls and stuff for that.
Speaker 2:So it was a really engaging family event, wasn't?
Speaker 1:it. You know bars, food trucks and and I didn't think the food like what we got, like some of the food, yeah, was ridiculously priced, some of it was stupid, but you're at a night market type thing, you're at like an event. I always expect to pay a little bit more at places like that.
Speaker 2:I mean, you still had the other side of the road you still had the restaurants and all that kind of stuff. So if you wanted to go and get the cheap meal.
Speaker 1:You could probably do that.
Speaker 2:I want cheaper but you know no well, you got more, probably substantial, for what you got.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but just the atmosphere, the music that they put on, the entertainment that they put on, it was great.
Speaker 2:We had a lot of fun, didn't we?
Speaker 1:Took a lot of photographs, had an absolute ball it was lots and lots of fun.
Speaker 2:Like I said, the company's always great.
Speaker 1:It's the back of my head. I'm fucking, I'm sorry. Because I've got no protection up there, because I'm bald as a badger. It just like ripped the top of my head open and I swear to God it's almost healed now.
Speaker 2:I think it's almost healed now it looks like it's healed, but like literally even on Saturday at work.
Speaker 1:No-transcript, it's just like idiot. But yeah, so that was pretty much it.
Speaker 2:But we've been to the NRL games as well too. Oh, we have, we have, and we had yesterday was the Panthers Bulldogs. Yeah, it was the prerequisite to the semi-finals technically, and obviously we had Justin with us, who is a Bulldog supporter, and obviously Brittany and her daughter.
Speaker 1:And Miami, and her husband and their son as well. And then there's you and I.
Speaker 2:And obviously we were all Panthers supporters apart from Justin, and yeah, and basically, who won? The Panthers won and I, and obviously we were all Panther supporters apart from Justin, and yeah, and basically, who won it? Panthers won, yay, so it was fun, so that means we go into the next round, which is basically the playoff for the final. Now we're playing up in Brisbane, so unfortunately we can't travel up there, so we're going to go back to the club again next Sunday, yep, and we're, hopefully going to come away.
Speaker 1:Check out more hot guys.
Speaker 2:Oh, it was great.
Speaker 1:Fucking. So many beautiful men On game night. It's so good, isn't it? So many men and we get to visit the blue tile wall. So there's all the urinals that are all side by side and there's probably about eight of them. Yeah, yeah, eight of them, yeah, something like that. So it's a decent amount of urinals of men standing and they're quite close to each other. Yeah, you don't even have to look, because the tiles.
Speaker 2:are that glossy?
Speaker 1:But the tiles are blue, shiny gloss and you can see cocks, everything, everything. You can see the fucking sleep. You can see the hood, you can see the fucking nice uncut cocks and like there's a few that were there yesterday and, holy fuck, talk about hungry. I just wanted to drop to my knees at a couple of points there and go oops, sorry I fell down. Can I just put that in my?
Speaker 2:mouth. I've got a card because I've got a nasty eye.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't put that in my mouth just yet. Can I give you a card to come back and this is a free token for a BJ for next week?
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was some really nice cock there, but, like before, we'd caught up with Dick. Dick, yeah, and we went to a different club.
Speaker 1:Different club, the Gemmo. We watched another team that were playing, but it was a shit game. It was a shit game, but we were still fun.
Speaker 2:It was still fun, but we were sat next to a group of three guys. Yes, they were fun, they were funny. And what did one of them say?
Speaker 1:Okay. So one of the players dropped the ball right Dropped the ball Let me find this because I want to quote it, because it is fucking funny Right, one of the players dropped the ball right and he's gone. He just yelled out you got the ball handling skills of a lesbian right.
Speaker 2:And I went oh fuck, that is great Because it was funny, because lesbians don't handle balls, but apart from that, there was like 16 and 12-year-olds in there, wasn't there, oh look, apparently they were over 18, because they must have been ID'd to get in there, but children are looking younger.
Speaker 1:What is with that? I know right. What is with that? I think it's just we're getting older. No, I'm not possibly.
Speaker 2:No, you can't be.
Speaker 1:You get wrinkles on my balls, I know you are.
Speaker 2:I saw them the other day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know you did. Anyway, yes, I was allowed to receive, I just wasn't allowed to give. It's like Christmas time, hey, but yeah, and then we finished watching a show a little while ago.
Speaker 2:Yes, we did.
Speaker 1:But we don't know if we've mentioned it yet. It's on Stan. It's on Stan. It's on Stan. It's called Hunting Wives. Oh, my army got us onto that. Yeah she did. Get your pens out, get your fucking notes, type it in Hunting Wives. You need to watch it All right Now.
Speaker 2:It's not gay related.
Speaker 1:No it's not.
Speaker 2:But it's a fucking awesome series.
Speaker 1:But if you are gay, be very cautious watching this because, like dave, he's now straight again. All right, dave flipped back um, at least for a few moments.
Speaker 2:The sex scenes, which are quite often in them, oh, you know, mainly between the women and the wives. Yep, but fuck, are they fucking full-on. They're hot. They have got amazing bodies on them great hits.
Speaker 1:As a man that definitely is not into women, definitely not have no desire to ever go there.
Speaker 2:The way they filmed it was so fucking erotic and so fucking sexual. It's sexy. It was just like you getting in on it and you're like fuck, I'm getting fucking turned on by this.
Speaker 1:Dave was getting a boner. I was getting so turned on, dave was batting off in the corner like a creep. And then obviously.
Speaker 2:then when we saw one of the wife's brothers Brothers, he's got a swinger. He answered the door and he was fucking hung like a fucking donkey Hung, and I went holy shit, it wasn't a prosthetic, you could see, it wasn't a prosthetic at all.
Speaker 1:No, it couldn't have been.
Speaker 2:I think they actually stated because we Googled it and they said they typecast him because he had a big cock.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but, yeah, but the storyline is.
Speaker 2:I won't give it away but the storyline is fucking amazing. It's so Be prepared for a wild ride.
Speaker 1:It twists, it turns, it changes, it does all of those things. So, yeah, it's a great show. I'm looking forward to season two, hunting Wives. Check it out on Stan or wherever you stream Google. I don't know if you're listening from overseas, which many of our Maybe even on Pornhub, many overseas, which many of our people do, because we do have 48 countries that will tune in to us here at the Fully Grown Homos.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Thank you very much, everyone from international and obviously local, as well, but yeah, so that pretty much wraps up our weekly wrap. That's probably a bi-weekly wrap, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's probably why there's been so much. And that's why I said we're like 30 minutes in, so we're not going to have to. We're going to have to fly through this one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so we do apologize.
Speaker 2:But we had to tell you the stories because it was fun.
Speaker 1:Because we had fun? Yep, definitely. So this week's topic, main topic we don't have a, but we should create one, shouldn't we?
Speaker 2:But anyway. So we had a bit of debate as to what we're going to talk about this week, because sometimes we struggle with content, because we don't want to repeat ourselves too much, but also because Matt having his STIs and stuff, we thought we'd do something more, sort of like gay related again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because that's how I got it from me.
Speaker 2:So the other day we were watching this documentary again, weren't we? Yep? And you got is it Broke Straight Boys, broke Straight Boys, right On our TV. So it's basically gay for pay, yeah. So we thought, why don't we do an episode on gay?
Speaker 1:for pay, gay for pay In the porn industry. What makes straight?
Speaker 2:men do gay porn for money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, correct, and look, I think the simplistic answer there is….
Speaker 2:Because they're curious, I think Well, no Well, no Well, I do. I know.
Speaker 1:If you watched instead of snooze through that….
Speaker 2:Excuse me.
Speaker 1:Excuse me, you would hear that the general consensus is that they all do it just for the money, right. A lot of them don't like it at all, right, but they seem to be enjoying it. Yeah, and when you?
Speaker 2:mention money and they'll do anything for it. You think well, you know, surely would you do anything for it.
Speaker 1:Would you jump off a cliff? I told you I was going to give you $1,000. Well, I think getting a dick in your ass is a bit different than jumping off a cliff, I know but what I'm saying is they say I wouldn't do anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the thing is that I think that, like I said, a fucking dick. But if you're straight, as in straight, straight would you suck another guy's cock? You wouldn't. So there has to be some element of curiosity.
Speaker 1:There's a dollar figure Exactly, and this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Everybody should try it, because I think once you've done it, you'll enjoy it. That's why I have this everybody's gay until proven straight. Proven straight.
Speaker 1:So yeah, to our friends I know there's one guy that really protests he said and that was Cleo Anthony, anthony, cleo's husband. He said nah, definitely straight, name your price. Name your price, mate. Dave's up for it. Yeah, I'm still saving. Name your price. Dave will let you blow him or he'll blow you whatever. But yeah, we never do anything with our friends. Blow you whatever.
Speaker 2:But yeah, We'd never do anything with our friends.
Speaker 1:No, we wouldn't do that, because we're not all that sort of people Would we no we wouldn't Depends how much money in the payers. How much? Yeah, what's it worth? Everything has a price tag. I'll go gay for being gay. I'll go gay for gay, gay for pay, gay for being straight.
Speaker 2:Hang on, I'll go straight for being gay.
Speaker 1:If I'm sucking a guy's dick, would that make me?
Speaker 2:straight. If he's straight, well, it depends if it's straight or bent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know. But yeah, I would do straight for pay, like I would fuck women for money?
Speaker 2:You would, yeah, for money. You would not. For lots of money. You gag looking at a vagina.
Speaker 1:Okay, yes, okay, yes, okay, you just sent me some links in looking at this, right, and they're apparently straight guys that actually have sex with men for money, right. But literally every link he sent me has got a guy penetrating and puss. And it was gross because there was one in there that was a squirter. And I'm sitting there and I'm just I couldn't, I like literally couldn't. I sat there and I had to shut that down. I thought I'm not scrolling down to the bottom where the good bits are, because I just can't get through that much vag. But I think if we're talking lots of money, right, lots of money.
Speaker 2:Name a price, I'll do it right. What's a minimum you do? I'm not talking like dollar figure.
Speaker 1:What do I have to do?
Speaker 2:Get your hands on these.
Speaker 1:I'm not eating no one. I'm not ever eating a pussy. It's not happening. That's gross.
Speaker 2:Well, if they offered you, what figure would you do it?
Speaker 1:It has to be five mil Five million.
Speaker 2:Yeah, come on and let's face it.
Speaker 1:Probably say yes, who'd want an amateur because I've not done this, right? So who's going to want me to eat their pussy for five million, right? If there's anyone out there that wants me to do it and they've got five million, I'm happy to oblige?
Speaker 2:is that five million? Dollars five million dollars, not lira not fucking lira, not fucking pesos, not anything.
Speaker 1:5 million Australian or American dollars.
Speaker 2:American would be better Right Okay or British pounds.
Speaker 1:I would do it for that price, all right. Okay, hit me up. Fully Grown Home Right.
Speaker 2:Podcast Hit me on Instagram. Just rate these piggy banks and make this worthwhile.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, come on, start a GoFundMe Dave.
Speaker 2:I dare you All right Far out. That'd be fun to watch.
Speaker 1:If you could reach five million.
Speaker 2:You wouldn't get it, though you would gag at the minute you saw it, you would never make the money.
Speaker 1:Oh, God, no, I'd do it, I'd force myself.
Speaker 2:You would not.
Speaker 1:I'd force myself, anyway. Anyway, this is funny. Let's get back to what we're actually supposed to be talking about.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So the so the gay for pay phenomenon. It started. It's a serious video. See, I know it actually started way back, way, way, way, way, way back in the 80s. Right Now the timeline. I've asked the timeline obviously my best friend.
Speaker 1:ChatGPT. Right, it was basically underground curiosity, so gay porn was still stigmatized. The AIDS crisis shaped how queer sexuality was viewed. Right, the gay for pay begins in the 80s, when a handful of straight identifying men were recruited into gay porn, often marketed as trade, a slang term for masculine working class gays. Right, the appeal of it was obviously the taboo factor. Right, the audiences were excited by forbidden idea of straight men engaging in same-sex marriage, which is still very common now.
Speaker 2:Which is still so common Because the gays love that. That's like a king fetish for them.
Speaker 1:It is a fetish, almost it is definitely.
Speaker 2:Like it's happening in what you can't have, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love a straight acting guy I do.
Speaker 2:Well, there's a lot of straight acting guys in the gay world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there is.
Speaker 2:There is. I'd say there's probably more you know.
Speaker 1:But I do like the idea of being someone's.
Speaker 2:Straight men, as in identifying a straight, man yeah yeah, I do, or someone's husband or boyfriend that you know would be so fucking hot that you never know that you could get your hands on him.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm look, I'm just doing a service for the community. For yourself, Fellas. I'm helping out your wives. All right, Helping your wives.
Speaker 2:Helping them out more like.
Speaker 1:That's a job that she doesn't have to do. Right, I've told Miami.
Speaker 2:I guarantee you when you have a go you'll know.
Speaker 1:I've told Miami and Brittany that I'll happily help their husbands out. Yeah, I've told them several times, you've just got to let them do it.
Speaker 2:You've just got to send them to me. They'll have a boys night out and we'll I would never do that to them.
Speaker 1:I would never, never never, never never, never, never. Probably not, anyway, unless they wanted me to. But, I'd have to have it written in contract In blood or semen no in their semen all over my face. But yeah, so it started in the 80s, right?
Speaker 2:Which a lot of things, which is really weird because that's when the height of the epidemic, of the gay AIDS crisis was. Yes, that's, correct, so that's really strange that the straight man would be wanting to be part of that.
Speaker 1:Well, it's taboo, I know, but what I'm saying is I think the taboo is really exciting for people.
Speaker 2:But you're talking about the height of it, where they started happening. So why would men decide you know this healthy, Now's the time, yeah.
Speaker 1:Because porn? Because everyone was going to porn then Well, gays made porn successful, didn't they? Just everyone rather than everyone, I'm pretty sure Linda Lovelace and John.
Speaker 2:Holmes and things like that. No, but what I'm saying is there's more money to be made in gay porn.
Speaker 1:This is the thing is that more money was on offer. So the average porn actor and I don't know what they were earning, we didn't look at that part. I said male actors, male actors like heterosexual straight porn right, they weren't earning anything nearly as much like the women.
Speaker 2:That previous episode we did regarding s scores made us course, and they said the same thing, didn't they?
Speaker 1:women were earning a bit. Yeah, right, especially, like I said, your big hitters, like linda lovelace and stuff like that. Now obviously you're john holmes, who was fucking super hung, and all that kind of stuff, and here and you're ron jeremy's a bit later on, and all they earned some money because they also they did a similar thing that a lot of people do now and that's called creating a brand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, so a lot of them. Johnny holmes, yeah, johnny holmes. And what's the other one? That one, ron jeremy jeff striker just no.
Speaker 1:So he was gay was he?
Speaker 2:oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely was. He was gay, was he oh?
Speaker 1:yeah, of course he was. Jeff Stryker was gay. Of course he was. Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely was.
Speaker 2:He was one of my favourites.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2:Anyway, we're talking about straight guys anyway.
Speaker 1:So the straight guys basically did it because it paid 10 times the amount of straight porn basically, which is significant numbers, absolutely Right and at the risk. I guess If you're talking, if you're lucky to get in and get out and you'll remember a lot of porn then was condoms right?
Speaker 2:It wasn't bareback like it is now. Well, it's a mixture.
Speaker 1:now I'd say no it's very rare to see condoms getting used in porn now?
Speaker 2:No, I do, I have seen. Oh really yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen condoms used in a long time.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of, especially for the gay, for pay ones there's a lot of production teams that will insist on you wearing condoms because of the STIs more so, not because of HIV anymore. It's more to do with them because they have an obligation to, as we saw in that episode.
Speaker 2:they take their job very seriously. The production team have got a responsibility for the models and they do take it very seriously. So they protect them, they make sure they're tested for STIs and everything else that goes in between it. So the chances are they would more likely have them wearing condoms and plus, a lot of the straight guys would rather wear a condom because they probably don't even know how to douche properly anyway.
Speaker 1:That's part of your job.
Speaker 2:I know but what I'm saying is you know, for those episodes I see a lot of porn with people still wearing condoms, and that's fine. I have no problem with that. It doesn't turn me off at all.
Speaker 1:I've not seen a condom, one in porn. I'm obviously looking at different stuff.
Speaker 2:You're probably looking at older stuff. No, no, I'm obviously looking at different stuff. You're probably looking at older stuff yeah, no, no, I'm looking at new stuff. You're probably just looking at gay for gay rather than gay for pay?
Speaker 1:Oh no, because Andy excuse me.
Speaker 2:Andy Lee yeah, but he doesn't penetrate.
Speaker 1:No, I guess. So yeah, there we go, I guess. So look, because I was going to mention that later on, but yeah. But then we had the 1990s VHS and marketing. So big names like Falcon, Catalina and others started doing some marketing like the first time straight gays and guys and all that kind of stuff never been with a man before, straight jack seduced becoming selling points and stuff like that yeah but so the gape gave. A pay label became an actual category, not just a rumor.
Speaker 2:It gave studios a rumor of a rumour, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then in the 2000s it became mainstream, right? So online studios like Sean Cody, corbin, fisher, college studios.
Speaker 2:So these are the names I know. Now you know. Yeah, I don't know so much of the previous ones yet.
Speaker 1:They exploded in popularity and stuff like that. So like the straight guy fantasy was big, it was huge.
Speaker 2:And the gays will pay big money for these sort of things, because it is a fantasy, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is. It's a fantasy and all that kind of stuff. Now I guess there's a bit of an argument as to like gay baiting right, that's a legit term and there is a lot of guys that I guess in current day that use um their of platform and basically gay bait and they've got never got any intention of ever being with a man or doing anything with a man, but they'll market their whole um oaf towards men yeah, this is.
Speaker 2:This is for the gay, for pay ones, because I know that I listened to a podcast session with um two gay actors and they were saying it doesn't. As gay actors, it still doesn't pay well for them. They they had expectations of having massive amounts of money, but because the studios own the right to all the content, they get paid a one-off fee and that's all they get right. But because the studios own the right to all the content, they get paid a one-off fee and that's all they get right. Yep, and then obviously, the studios make the money that way. So what they've worked out is, if they do their OnlyFans, they can allow themselves to create their own content, but also own that content fully.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean? Yeah, and they said look, that's the way they've succeeded. So the gay gave a pace slightly different, because I think, again, it's more people wanting to have that, that, that straight people playing in the gay world, so they're prepared to pay more for that. You know I mean, whereas the gay people, because it's so out there now, you know, there's a lot of gay actors that will still have sex and they're enjoying it, you know yeah so you, but they don't get as much money.
Speaker 2:They were saying in their own rights. You know so. Well, this is the thing is that I guess it's and remember the episode we watched where he said that they never the two, the people that are in the actual episodes of Gay for Pay never discuss their financial. They Don't talk about what their fee is Because one of them might be getting paid more than the other and they don't want them to know what they're getting paid. No, so it's very discreet and very off limits, off limits.
Speaker 1:So yeah, correct. So if me and Dave were doing porn, I wouldn't tell Dave how much I was earning, because obviously I'd be earning more, but you'd be in the STI clinic more often as well, wouldn't you? But yeah, so I guess. And then 2010 became the amateur era in fluidity, so with sites like Tumblr and Clip sites and even X now I guess, yeah, it was 2020s now, oh, Jesus Christ yeah, more performers openly identified as bisexual, pansexual or fluid, and studios still marketed them as straight though.
Speaker 1:Look, I mean mean. So this is where you said like bait bus, yeah right, you sat there and went. They can't be straight like the guys that are on bait bus, can't be straight and like, and they must know because? Because contractually it'd be called rape, otherwise of course it would right.
Speaker 2:Um, because I think I mean they, they might be straight curious that want to do it. You know, they know what they're letting themselves in for. They wouldn't allow it to happen without their consent, because it's all consensual, isn't it? Yeah, it has to be so you know you can't trick someone into having sex with you because it's like you said, that's like that's illegal that's right, yeah, so there is a preced precedence, but I've got a list of um of these sites that are classified as pay for gay for pay sites, right?
Speaker 1:have you, dave so andy lee have you been to any of them?
Speaker 2:I've been a lot of them, yeah so andy lee he's got his porn star university one, but we watched the episode with him, didn't we? And he's so good, right, yeah, I, I take my half to andy lee, and if you've never seen him, he's an irish guy, right he's a straight guy, but he's opened himself up to the gay world and he's a very good ally.
Speaker 2:He he said that, look, what he said was I'm not, I don't, I, I don't mind having the sexual side with boys sucking me off or whatever. He said I don't kiss, I don't, I haven't penetrated anybody. But he said that's not, it's not off the table. That's not the table so that could happen later on. So he's very open to you to pushing his limits and doing these things because he knows the content's there, but he said that he didn't find men attractive, but he was happy to be in the gay world in terms of doing the porn star stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he's also created an empire within himself.
Speaker 2:I know he's supporting people, isn't he?
Speaker 1:He's supporting people that are up and coming in that as well, so he's taking them through the legals of setting up your own OF sites and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:He's a self-membranian there now, but fair play to him. He's such a decent person. He looks after them so well yeah.
Speaker 1:But he is so Taking them through how to do their taxes properly.
Speaker 2:He's hot, he's fucking. He's got a massive cock, yeah, but he's got a massive cock, yeah. But I just think you know he's one of these people that has been baited and been berated by people but saying, oh, you're gay.
Speaker 1:and he said well, I'm not, I'm just doing a service, right and he said if people want to buy it, then I'm happy to do it there's another one. Um, oh, his name is something daddy, uh, crush daddy. Okay, daddy, who was straight? Initially but then he has actually come out as bi. Now People are saying how can you be bi? Clearly you're gay, right, and he's gone.
Speaker 2:no, I enjoy sex with women and with men, but these guys have actually said that these straight guys have had anal not anal, but had oral sex by other guys giving it to them, right? They said it feels fucking amazing. They said it feels really, really good. So they don't sort of turn their head and say, fuck, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1:I'm not closing my eyes through this whole process. They get off and they enjoy it.
Speaker 2:But, like I said, it doesn't mean that they're gay, it doesn't mean that they're attracted to men.
Speaker 1:You don't have to be.
Speaker 2:But again, it's all relevant to what you're putting out there, because people will still buy the content, you know. Yeah, and still people are interested. But again my argument is there's a lot of people out there that I believe will be curious and once you give it a try, it's like anything you suck a lollipop once and you like the flavor. You'll keep on going back and buying that flavor.
Speaker 1:You will okay and that could be why. Yeah, I guess that's what I'm saying, I'm not saying, and that that's for both.
Speaker 2:That's for any sex. You know what I mean. Yeah, I mean, I think sex is just one of those things that you don't have to have any sort of connection with the other person technically to get off on it. Correct, correct.
Speaker 1:As long as it's legal and it's consensual, that's the only thing I would say is important, and the thing is that you don't have to have feelings to make sex better. Sometimes sex with strangers is way better. Yeah, and is it? Massage parlours? Here's that one for Brittany. But then you've got 2020s to now, right. So we've got the OnlyFans and the self-branding director fan platform, so there's plenty of them out there. Now it's not just OF, obviously, but you've got the performers that control their own image and their own content, so they no longer rely on studios to market them as straight they're doing their own work.
Speaker 2:This is what I was saying, because they own the copyright and they own the content and they can mass produce it. They're the ones that are getting off most.
Speaker 1:So they own everything and they can make some good coin. Well, he was saying that Josh Moore.
Speaker 2:He was saying Ever since he went and did his OnlyFans, his expectations have exponentially gone beyond. He's got houses, he's got cars and he's got the lifestyle he was looking for.
Speaker 1:One of the guys said that basically he was hesitant, right, but the first time he did it where he got his dick sucked by a guy, right, he made $7,000 that week, $7,000 in a week just for letting some guy. That was pounds that was pounds yeah, $7,000 just to let some guy suck your dick. Is pretty impressive.
Speaker 2:And he said it wasn't bad, didn't he? No, he said he quite enjoyed it and he was married with kids, yeah, yeah. And he said he was worried what would happen if he got out there with his kids. And he said in the end he just thought well, I'm providing them with a life that I can afford to give them.
Speaker 1:Which is a pretty good lifestyle. And he said look, I don't care.
Speaker 2:He said at the end of the day it's only sex. It's not like it's going to make my life any different.
Speaker 1:Do you know what I mean. So, yeah, it's pretty cool. Pretty cool. The thing is that the boundaries, the authenticity matters. Today's audience prefers performers who fully embrace fluidity and at least acknowledge their choices rather than pretending right. And let's face facts.
Speaker 2:Sex is so available these days now, yeah, sex. You can find sex on every single platform. You look at, you know what I mean. Yeah, Whether it's graphical or you know, full on Instagram. But you still get soft porn. You still get lots of that happening on Facebook and stuff. You get people putting their bodies out there and making them look sexy and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:All of it.
Speaker 2:Exactly that's right. So for me, I'm a big advocator for it, as long as it's consensual and it's legal and people that are looking at it are of age. Yeah, because that's where it goes wrong correct.
Speaker 1:I mean correct. So I'm not going to get into the whole porn debate, no, no. But what I'm saying is I mean you know that, that's my parameters.
Speaker 2:I mean I I stand by those yep um, and you know anybody that is on that page. I totally understand, or you know your reasons for it as well yeah, so I.
Speaker 2:So I think, but yeah, so you know, gay for pay, do it. I'd say, I'd say anybody, I'd say give it a go, even if you're not getting paid for it, just do it. Gay for free, do it. Oh, I think you could actually start a new site Gay for free. Gay for free, free BJs. But the other thing is the marketing side of things. Remember we watched that episode and then they went to Vegas and they made them work for it. They didn't give them the money to say you know you're going to be. You know, because they were saying that you're famous in the gay world. People pay good money to have photographs with you, because you are the current model that they like.
Speaker 2:Yeah correct, so why not? You know?
Speaker 1:Correct, anyway. So I think that's pretty much. I think that wraps up that, dave. Now we're going to just do this. They're grumpy they're gay.
Speaker 2:they've got something to say, From traffic cues to crooked cues.
Speaker 1:they'll bitch it all away. Gabe and Max Pepys. All right, you cranky old prick. What have you got going on?
Speaker 2:You're more cranky than I am I was going to mention what about you, but I didn't go. No, I'm not no Bitch, hey, Anyway, yeah. So my first one is do you know when you go to these servos and it's late at night?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, and all you want is a fucking cup of coffee. Yeah, and the fucking door's a lot, yeah.
Speaker 1:And do you think you can? No, you cannot. You cannot make a cup of coffee because I'm closed. Oh, the machine is cleaning. Yes, you've had fucking three hours to clean that machine. Buddy, open the door, let me in make my own coffee. That fucking gets my nose up. Don't have a coffee machine available.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry again, I'm winding up, I noticed that I noticed on one of the podcasts we did with Daddy Boy I swore like I mean, obviously it just shows me when I get rattled I swear a lot, you know what I mean, yeah, so I just caught myself swearing then.
Speaker 1:I didn't even realise. I just said, fuck it. Oh, it's okay to swear, dave, you're an adult, I know. But what I'm saying is my level of it was absolutely shocking. When I was listening to it, I was like shaking my head, thinking what the I tick the box that says explicit content All right, so that people that want to hear swear words are okay. I'm not afraid.
Speaker 2:No, I know, but I'm just saying it's funny for me listening. I don't always swear on a daily basis I say fucking cunt so often. It's not funny, but that's for a reason.
Speaker 1:No, I just say cunt, because it's my favorite word and not my favorite flavor. Anyway, that's my first pet peeve. That's your first pet peeve. All right, yeah, that is duly noted and that is fine. Yeah, so mine's a bit current because I took my girls for a vaccine today, right, they're yearly vaccines and all that kind of stuff. Now they told me about a new vaccine that's available for flicking tick, and oh fuck, how's that hard to say Flea and tick treatment, right. But it works out to be nearly $500 a day a dog, right. So I'm sitting there kind of like I love my girls, but I'll keep them on their current simparicotria.
Speaker 2:They're still getting the same stuff, yeah yeah. So they're still getting treatment and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but yeah. So I thought I will keep them on their current treatment. Thank you very much For a third of the price. For a third of the price, I'm sitting there going 500 bucks for a freaking injection, like it just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2:And even then you've got to have them tested. You said as well, didn't?
Speaker 1:you, oh yeah, you've got to do tests and all this kind of stuff as well.
Speaker 2:They've got heartworm and they can't have it so astronomically priced that people can't use it that's what I said like with the current HIV prevention medication as well, that's like I said, that's astronomical.
Speaker 1:I think it's about five grand. It's like holding it hostage, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get the fact that they've made these vaccines and stuff like that and you know they're getting paid for doing these anyway and they hold the rights to it. So, yeah, they'll still make the money. It's like the tolls. I've said to you why build a road and toll it? Because nobody's going to use it, right, correct?
Speaker 1:Stop overpricing things. Exactly, that's right. That's a good P. I like that one yeah definitely.
Speaker 2:Next one for me is when you go to 50 or 100, right, yep. Why is it you can't get 20 and 10 denominations out of a fucking cash dispenser? These days it's all hundreds and fucking $50 minimum. Because, who uses cash right.
Speaker 1:Well, we had to the other day, when the fucking CBA fucking didn't fucking have their Well, they had an outage, didn't they?
Speaker 2:On a Sunday morning and nobody could use their F-posses.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but so yes, I get that.
Speaker 2:But yeah, look how are you going to play the poker? If you?
Speaker 1:haven't got cash? Who puts less than a 50 in apart from? You no one I know puts less than a 50 in anyway, apart from Dave and puts $5 notes in at a time and says why has my money not gone too far? That's because I'm cautious.
Speaker 2:I know, not me, and I have fun.
Speaker 1:Not me 50 in at a time.
Speaker 2:But do you not understand? Yeah, I do. Why have denominations of notes if you can't get them?
Speaker 1:Well, the thing is that all you need to do there is you walk into a service station.
Speaker 2:Sorry, into supermarkets. Yeah, there's always 10s and 50s, it's all 50s. No, you can get $2 out. And we don't charge you. I don't want $2. I want notes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, but if you want certain denominations, you can get whatever you want out and there's no actual fee either, which is a benefit.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, well, most of these cash machine machines don't have fees, but yeah, Well, I've written.
Speaker 1:This is okay. This is a work-related one, right, and I don't talk about my work very often, but this is shitting me to tears. And it's a society one as well, right? Minors like, as in, younger people knowing too many rules about what they can and can't be in trouble for. So I work in a retail environment.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:All right, and had a bunch of little fucking cunts right from the western suburbs right walking in and just basically helping themselves to whatever they wanted from the shelf. All right, and walking straight out right Without paying for it.
Speaker 1:Without paying for it right Now. They know they can't be stopped because they're minors. They know you can't grab them. They know you can't hold them against their will. They know you can't take a photo of them. They know you can't upload the photo. The only recourse we have is to actually call the police, which they know. The police can't do anything because it's under a certain amount. Right, but literally any crime that they want to commit they can commit. Right, and it really grinds my gears, these dickheads that ride around on their fucking no, their little dirt bikes in this area, and that as well, right Again they don't no helmet, no license, and they know the police won't do anything.
Speaker 1:They can't do anything because they just get let off all the time. So, like parents this is a note for you and a call out for you Keep your children on leashes, right. If you can't control them, all right. Keep them at home, keep them locked up.
Speaker 2:A lot of it stems from, like society repeating itself history. It's like alcoholism and, you know, drug taking.
Speaker 1:If you don't break that cycle, they're going to continue thinking it's the right thing.
Speaker 2:It's not everybody. It's not everybody.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, a lot small percentage, my, but it's the same ones all the time. My sister, my brother-in-law and and a lot of my family and a lot of my friends. I wouldn't. I wouldn't tolerate my friends having children like that right and say for myself you know, yeah, like they're good kids, everyone that I know, right, but these ones that come into supermarkets and stores, yeah, oh, I want to punch them in the throat worldwide, though it is worldwide.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is worldwide again, it's. It's the generational thing where entitlement is given to them, though, yep, and that's what we got wrong.
Speaker 1:This is a meal, but anyway. Anyway, yeah, that's a very valid one.
Speaker 2:Yep, going on to supermarkets and other stores, many supermarkets. My pet peeve is when you go in there and you've got no internet access at all and you're trying to pay for stuff using your phone or your whatever your apps it's 2025. And you've got no internet. You have to walk outside the store to activate what you want to do, even just get your fucking car details to come up and pay for it. Yeah, simple stuff. I mean, this is a supermarket, or?
Speaker 1:a shop. You know what I mean. It's 2025. There should be internet access the world around If you're giving me you're telling me to make everything digital. Put it all on my phone.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Right, so we should have access to access that at all times.
Speaker 2:I just don't understand how it's not available.
Speaker 1:We were at the pub the other night and because we've been to this pub so many times, I now know to load that app before we even get there, because otherwise and have it open and not shut down because you can't access it otherwise.
Speaker 2:But there's houses and servers and everything else around it Everything.
Speaker 1:Why is it a pub?
Speaker 2:Or a recreational place that has all these blackouts.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I don't know why it has black spots.
Speaker 2:I'm sure they can be solved. Maybe that's why you need cash, because you can't use your fucking phone to pay for it. You can't use anything.
Speaker 1:But yeah, and I think my last one is it's being told you're in a mood when you know you're not in a mood. Someone told me that I was cranky, and I hate being told how I feel, because I know how I feel. If I'm cranky, I'll tell you I'm cranky, won't I, dave, will you?
Speaker 2:Yes, I'll be cranky if I'm cranky, we do it, huh. I'm not cranky. I can make you cranky if you want me to. You do he was fucking moody, I was fine.
Speaker 1:He was a princess, I was fine he was a princess, I was fine and I wasn't upset or anything at all. I asked him You're in the mood, well, his voice raised.
Speaker 2:I'm not in the mood, I'm fine. His voice raised up, my voice raised up when he said you're in the mood, Of course my voice.
Speaker 1:You told me I'm in a mood. I'm going to whack you.
Speaker 2:I didn't say. You said you're in the mood. Show them how you go and do it. You're in the mood and I went fuck you.
Speaker 1:Fuck you, Welcome to my life. So that's also a pet peeve of mine. But yeah, I think that's it pretty much for our episode this week, so we've enjoyed it. I think I don't know. I'll tell you I might be cranky.
Speaker 2:But yeah, no, we've enjoyed it. I'm definitely Dave this time. Always I'm Matt and he's Dave, and we've been your Fully Grown Homos.
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