Fully Grown Homos Podcast
Fully Grown Homos Podcast
Killer Queens: Gay Serial Murderers Through History
What drives someone to become a serial killer? Is it nature, nurture, or something more sinister lurking beneath the surface?
Through a blend of psychology, true crime analysis, and thoughtful reflection, we explore the minds of history's most notorious murderers—with a specific focus on killers from the LGBTQ+ community. From Jeffrey Dahmer's disturbing crimes to the recent case of Erin Patterson (Australia's "mushroom killer"), we examine what makes these seemingly ordinary people commit extraordinary acts of violence.
The conversation reveals fascinating psychological patterns: many serial killers are driven by a complex mix of control issues, childhood trauma, and thrill-seeking behaviors. We uncover how killers like Dennis Nilsen and Steven Port specifically targeted gay men, exploiting vulnerabilities within our community. Most chillingly, we contemplate how the most dangerous predators often appear completely normal to those around them.
This isn't about glorifying these individuals, but understanding them. By recognizing warning signs and addressing root causes, perhaps we can prevent future tragedies. As we discuss: could an ordinary person snap under the right circumstances? The answer might surprise you.
Between our darker moments, we share updates on our week—including a collaboration with podcaster Danny Boy, meeting our new friend Clay, and announcing four new original songs available on all streaming platforms. Plus, we rant about our latest pet peeves from queue-jumpers to noisy pokie machines!
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Speaker 1:Fully Grown Homos with Dave and Matt. On today's episode, we're going to dive into the deep, dark, mysterious or Mysterious or dark mysterious world of serial killers. Now let me just put a disclaimer out there. We do not find serial killers amusing, or we do not want to portray them as something like heroes or anything like that um, we um.
Speaker 2:Well, explain why.
Speaker 1:Explain why we brought the podcast because we feel for the victims, yep of the of the serial killers, and this is why we're talking about it, um, but we, I'm also really intrigued by it. But before we get into that, let's do a little wrap-up of last week, dave, because we've had a busy week. Well, busier, our weeks are always fucking busy.
Speaker 2:Well, we have, yeah, always, always busy. Yeah, well, we've done things this week anyway.
Speaker 1:We certainly have done things, and some people Done things and people and people have done us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we've had a bit of a fun variety week. We've had a very good week and some people Done things and people and people have done us. Yeah, again and again, bit of a fun variety week.
Speaker 1:We've had a very good week, a very good week. So where do we want to start? At the very beginning, because it's a very good place to start. Go on then.
Speaker 2:You sing the song and I'll do it.
Speaker 1:Let's start at the very beginning.
Speaker 1:It's a very good place to start saying anymore, yeah okay, um, that's from sound of music, just in case you didn't recognize it. Um, yeah, all right. Um, so we on saturday, we all we got it. So we've got a fellow podcaster who reached out to us when he was basically um setting up his podcast and because we'd like this show and things like well, he'd like ours, and he said he'd love to have us on. Now he does a question and answer style podcast. His name is danny boy and that's it. That, or his name is danny. These podcasts is the danny boy show and, um, it's, I think, only up to episode two. I've only listened to episode one.
Speaker 1:So far he's done more, but he hasn't done he hasn't downloaded um, but he reached out to us and asked us we would love to go on his, whether we would like to go on his show, and we said, of course we would. We'd love to um. We finally worked out how to do it and, as a result, we will be guests on his podcast in when he, when he publishes, yeah, yeah, he's he's got a quite a few in the bank already, um, but he said we were way better than any of them.
Speaker 1:I'm joking, he didn't say that to the other guests, he just said that we were way handsomer. Oh no, hang on. He didn't say that either, but we said that we're handsome but we're going to be on his show. It was a great fun experience it was.
Speaker 2:We chatted for a long time before we even hit record we need to get to know him because I mean, I've never spoken to him. You've correlated with him, yeah, just a little bit communicated. Sorry, um, but yeah, it was good to actually to have a good conversation prior to that and he's, he's, he's got a very good voice on him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he sounds great and he's a good looking guy as well. He is a bit hot, yeah, I like.
Speaker 2:I like it with his mo. He does a little mo. I like it with his beard, but I think his mo suits him even better. It makes him even more sort of like Take that for a ride. Yeah, absolutely so we were perving on you, Danny, when we were doing this show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we were, but it was really fun.
Speaker 2:It was actually fun to do because we've podcast before, so he took our cherry, he did um and um and it was a lot of fun. He made it really simple, really easy, but it's a very clever concept. Yeah, I think questions and answers what he's on to is good.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's good and, as I said, he he sort of he'd reached out previously and said to me um, how low can it go? And I said, mate, take it to the gutter, I'm there, I'm there, for anyone that's listening to this podcast knows that I'm down in the gutter.
Speaker 2:I mean I reckon we could definitely do another segment with him again. Yeah, you know, and I think, as I said to him afterwards, I think what he's got is quite good in terms of, like, if he was to go out to a club or a pub or something like that and they had like an introduction, intermittent sorry session between like a raffle and something else, I mean he could get on the mic and he could actually get all these tables.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he'd be great because A, he's got the voice for it, he's got the looks and I think he's got the personality to match it all. So you know, so, yeah, so, if you haven't listened to Danny Boy, go on his.
Speaker 1:Yeah, jump on, listen to Danny Boy podcast. You can find it wherever you download your favourite podcasts, obviously.
Speaker 2:And yeah, check him out because he's a handsome fella as well, which we appreciate.
Speaker 1:Now on to another handsome fella, that we met Clay. We met Clay. We met him at church a couple of weeks ago, caught up with him and had quite a fun day that day at church.
Speaker 2:We've met him twice, haven't we? We over the time, um, and basically every time we caught up with him, we've had good fun, we had lots of fun.
Speaker 1:It was, it was, it was, it was hot sessions.
Speaker 2:But he's a nice guy. Yeah, he's a really nice guy. He's the same age as me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, age, yep same born 71 um and he's got a very interesting story as well.
Speaker 2:He's very similar to me. He was married and has got children. Yep Came out later in life and, yeah, he's still navigating the actual gay world, the world that we live in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the odd, strange gay world that we live in.
Speaker 2:But he's just such an easygoing guy, such a very engageable guy, very funny, yep, very funny. Handsome man as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I was extremely amused because I love my banter. I like having a joke around with people and things like that. We were sitting at one of our little cafes that we go to Nadia's Nadia's is called the cafe and the first waitress came up and he looked at her with a serious face. He said, oh, excuse me, are you Nadia? And she looked and she went no, no, no. And he's gone. Well, who's Nadia? And she's gone. Oh, that's just the name of the cafe.
Speaker 1:And then literally the next thing, another girl comes up to deliver her coffee and he did exactly the same thing. By this stage I'm having a giggle, which is funny. But then the third girl came up to deliver our food. She's quite younger, really young, right, probably 17, 18, if, if that. And he said to her are you nadia, right? And she gave some sass and I sat there and I'm going, oh my god, this is great right, and they were just volleying, so it was really really what was her response to that question when he asked her well, she said I'm way too young to be called nadia.
Speaker 1:She's do I look like? Do I look like a nadia? Or something like that. I'm too young to be called a nadia. Um, so it was like. It was like.
Speaker 2:Then it was, it was volleying and it was fun, but he just did it to everybody and we had like multiple staff members that came over to our table.
Speaker 1:And then when we went to pay at the end there was a young guy at the counter and he went Are you Nadia? By that time, so by that time everyone had gotten in on it, Like literally every person the lady that does the barista, kim, the lady that does the barista.
Speaker 1:She's basically in on it and she's like awesome. We know her very well because we're there. They do good coffee and good food there. So we've had many chats with her and she's basically sitting there and I go guess my name I'm not Nadia, but guess my name and we're sitting there and we're trying to work it out and she says all right.
Speaker 2:It's three, it's two words.
Speaker 1:It's two words, and so it can be two words, and we're all trying to sit there and we're going Kellyanne, kylie-anne, melissa-anne, karen, karen, and like she took advantage of that, yeah, but it was fun. It was fun, but he's a hot, sexy guy as well.
Speaker 2:So, yep, we had lots of fun on the Friday night here in my place you more so, because I went home and then I came back on the Saturday morning he attacked me. Yeah, and I came back on the Saturday morning and he was still attacking you yep had some more fun.
Speaker 1:we went out for the break-in, did all that kind of stuff as well.
Speaker 2:Then we had more fun again.
Speaker 1:Had more fun and more fun and more fun. So we'll catch up with him again very soon. So yeah, it was lots and lots of fun. What's better than two? Three, what's better than three? Four? What's better than four? Five? Any holes? A hole? Oh no, not just like that. There can't be any holes a goal.
Speaker 2:But, um, sex is fun, it is, and it's meant to be fun, it is. And, and when you've got people that connect and they can make it work, it's even better yeah, but the conversation and and the their friendships are always good as well.
Speaker 2:So hopefully we'll be catching up with clay again, um, and maybe this week, maybe next week for definite, I reckon, um. But yeah, I mean in the meantime. Apart from that, I made more progress on the house. So the house inside is probably about 98 done now, matt, um and uh, basically the outside's getting progress now. So the top half of the weather board has all been done. Yep, um, had the brick work done. I've got to wait for the renders to come in two weeks time. Um, the front lawn area is leveled off and the and the retaining walls now in place. We've got to demolish the carport next week and then dig up the old driveway ready to lay a new driveway um and then full steam ahead.
Speaker 2:It is, it is and it's getting exciting, but at the same time, with with that comes the cost of paying everything off and the more stress and everything else that goes with it. Yeah, um, but again I've got to deal with that as it goes along. Um, but otherwise, yeah, it's been good. Um went to the club this week and I I won on wednesday night. Yeah, you did, you did so, yeah, so that was really good and, um, yeah, so that's our week. Pretty much it's been good.
Speaker 1:It's been a good week. Now let's get dark, deep. Let's get deep. Let's get mysterious. Let's talk about serial killers. Yep, so we've done some Googling. Obviously, I love a serial killer podcast. I like True Crime myself and I killer podcast. I like true crime myself. Um, and I'm listening to shandy's story at the moment, which is about a, an australian, young australian girl from um, north queensland, who was, um, basically stabbed a number of times. I'm not at the end yet, so I don't know how it ends, but her main suspect is her um ex-boyfriend, um, but again, I'm not sure whether he's done it. I have my own opinion, obviously, but I've got to wait till the end of the podcast. How can these people find out?
Speaker 1:this Is it on a podcast yeah, shandy's story, shandy's story, and it flows into Shandy's legacy.
Speaker 2:And how did you find out about?
Speaker 1:this, I don't know, it's because I was listening to another one called Bronwyn, which was about Not relating to anybody we know. No, not relating to anybody we know. No, not relating to anyone we know. And it was again about her partner that they believe killed her as well, but her body has never been found, and things like that as well.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:That's currently on hiatus. I think that's still waiting to be wrapped up as well, for that one as well. Okay, yeah, so many interesting things about serial killers.
Speaker 2:well, the whole, the whole purpose of this, this, this whole segment today was brought up because of this, this one that's in the current um news, with us at the.
Speaker 1:Moment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that was with erin patterson, erin patterson the mushroom killer, yeah the chef that killed all her family.
Speaker 1:She had a dinner party and killed her friends.
Speaker 2:But it's bizarre, Like you said. I mean, you don't have to be like your typical stereotypical serial killer, the ones that we see as really psychopathic, you know. In that regard, I mean, she's got to be psychopathic to some degree, I suppose, if you want to do it. But she just came across as like a normal mother would be. But, you just don't know what's lurking behind those eyes.
Speaker 1:You don't know, do you, dave? You don't know who could be a serial killer, isn't that, right, matt? It could be one sitting straight across from you. Yeah, who knows? Yeah, it could be. But I want to touch on a couple of them, right, you don't want?
Speaker 2:to touch them.
Speaker 1:You just want to touch on them, true, all right. So oh, you would do. Right, I have a crush. All right. Now again his victims. He had 17 victims. Right, he was known as a milwaukee. They've got at least as a milwaukee cannibal, but I'm sure it was a milwaukee milwaukee murderer. Right, doesn't matter either. He's from wisconsin, um in the us of a he was.
Speaker 1:He's no longer alive. No, he's no longer alive. I don't get a chance to date him ever, um, which is probably a good thing because I stay alive. Then, um, but he used to lure young men from gay bars often and killed them and committed acts of necrophilia and cannibalism on cannibalism on them. Jeffrey dharma, yeah, now he was hot, right in my opinion. I used to find him extremely attractive, right. I also watched, um a show where they had darren chris portray him, um, and he was great. You know, I'm sure darren chris. I think so. I think it was pretty sure it was. I think so, um, but he was jeffrey dharma, literally, because I was in my youth, when he was basically active between 1978 and 1991. So then you're slightly older than what we would have been. No, that was.
Speaker 2:That was when he was born, that's when he was active yeah, but that's what I'm saying, so I think he was a little bit older. He was only in his 20s, yeah, when he started.
Speaker 1:Yeah um, so, so, 1991 sort of thing. So I would have definitely been in my prime and my hormones would have been running wild, yep. And I just remember reading his books, or yeah, because I didn't have audio books back then so I would have had to read stuff about him. Oh, wow, right, and being really interested in his murders and what they were happening. Obviously, being a young gay man at that time, I was thinking, fuck, this could actually happen to. This could have happened to anyone. It still can it still can it still does.
Speaker 1:Well, it still does. There was those guys that were luring people in from Grindr and beating the shit out of them and robbing them recently.
Speaker 2:So be careful out there, boys yeah definitely, but Jeffrey Dahmer is like he's.
Speaker 1:When I asked ChatGBT to give me a list of gay serial killers, he basically gave me he came top of the list. Now he isn't the one that's murdered most people, right that? I guess that accolade I don't want to say that because that's really wrong goes to a guy called Randy Craft and he was active between 1970s to 1983. That's 13 years, right, and he's estimated killing between 16 and 67 people, right? Wow? He targeted young men, many of whom were US Marines. The victims were drugged, tortured and mutilated. So it's pretty fucked up. I gotta say, yeah, pretty fucked up indeed, um, but yeah who's that?
Speaker 2:well, I got one very similar from the uk, matt, which was um, a guy called dennis nielsen and again a gay guy, and he would lure people back from London. It seems like most of the people that commit these serial killings are from London area Yep or UBIS. Yeah, yeah. So, capital cities, big capital cities, and again, he would lure people back to his house and then basically drug them and then basically mutilate them. I think he had sex with them when they were dead and then he would cut their bodies up. And what he was doing he was stuffing these bodies down the drain, yeah, in his apartment. And over time people started complaining of the smell that was coming from the apartment. You know rotting flesh, as you would imagine. So there was.
Speaker 2:I think the police had come out several times. They hadn't charged him, they couldn't find anything and they didn't know what it was. They thought maybe some animal had died in the sewage and they got the. I think they got the plumbers or whatever, out the sewer. People had to come and try and clear it all away and they thought they had got rid of it and they thought they had got rid of it, and then, obviously, this continued more and more. So obviously he got away with maybe a few and that got flushed through, and then, yeah, and eventually they actually came in and opened up the pipes, and then that's when they found all these bodies.
Speaker 1:Well, they said he's victims between 12 and 15 victims.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And again, all gay guys, yeah, yeah. So you, I know, we, we, we are doing an lgbtq podcast as such. You know, I mean it's not all about no, no, exactly, because I mean I've got other, I've got other um serial killers like fred and rosemary west. I mean you've obviously heard from them, haven't you? I don't think I have spoken to you about it. There's a netflix um series at the moment covering them.
Speaker 2:So they were basically husband and wife in the uk and rosemary west was fred west's second wife and, uh, basically fred had had like multiple kids and I think even had a couple with her as well, and he was basically um convicted of murdering I think about eight women and of which two of them were his own daughters, oh, and they found one of them underneath the floorboards in the house and the other one was in the wall.
Speaker 2:So he'd actually pretty much cemented his own daughter into the wall and he was abusing them. So he was basically having sex with them, he was having nannies over and then he was killing them as well. And his um, his wife rosemary she was also subjecting to the um, the raping and um assault on the girls as well. Okay, even though she didn't technically kill them, she was an accessory to the crime, yeah, and she didn't report it and she obviously had, because she was almost like a lesbian as well. And if you look at pictures of her and she's still alive at the moment, because fred west took his life in prison literally about a year or so after he went to jail, but with rose, when she's still alive and, yeah, if you look at her, she looks like a typical, I would say, a very butch looking lesbian you know I mean.
Speaker 2:So I think she was doing it for her gratification and obviously to stop the you know, stop them from reporting the actual crimes. Then I think fred just killed them. I think, um, so very, very sad. I remember hitting the news. I was in my teens at that time, so you're talking like the late 80s, mid to late 80s when it happened. Um, but yeah, it's, it's horrific when you can be living next to somebody and not even know that that's happening, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, but, like I said, we could have serial killers amongst us.
Speaker 2:We don't know that Exactly.
Speaker 1:We don't know that, like you really don't know people, because a lot of the times and I know with Jeffrey Dahmer they said, oh, he was such a nice boy, he was so polite, he was so kind, all those kind of things, so he wasn't sort of a fucked up kid or anything like that. So they Well, no. He? I think no, there was. Them was stuff that came out saying that he used to torture animals when he was younger.
Speaker 2:And again, that's where it starts. It starts when people start mutilating animals.
Speaker 1:But initially his parents all said, oh, he was a nice boy.
Speaker 2:Like he used to sort of All that kind of stuff. But ticking in the background was something going more and more, something deeper obviously. But yeah, so you've also got like past ones, like the Krays. You've heard of the Krays, ronnie and Reggie Kray. They were again in London. They were back in the 1950s, 60s era I think it was 60s and they were gangster murderers and they would cut people's ears off and then mutilate them first of all, to the point where they would then go on and kill them properly. So it was more gangster-related murdering, okay, but again they were classified as serial killers because they killed multiple people, you know. Then you've got the people like the Menendez brothers who we just watched that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we watched that not long ago, didn't we?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but one of them was gay Because that we watched that not long ago, didn't we? Yeah?
Speaker 1:but they one of them was gay, because that was set in the 70s, 80s, wasn't it but they killed their parents.
Speaker 2:Yeah, basically, well, I mean you know, if you watch if you want yeah, exactly, if you watch the thing, I mean there's there's a retrial going on at the moment. Isn't it trying to get them freed? Yeah, saying that they didn't kill them out of spite, or they didn't kill them. I think they were provoking to killing them.
Speaker 1:I think what they were trying to say well, they basically were trying, I think what their argument was that they had a fucked up childhood that was basically all because of their father and all that kind of stuff. So it was just like, yeah, it was a bit messy, yeah. But then you've got like steven port, who's also from the uk. Now he's got four confirmed victims, but more. He's probably our most recent one on my list, yeah yeah exactly, and he was called the grinder killer Yep.
Speaker 1:He lured men in via dating apps and he drugged them with GHB, which is obviously a legal drug, staged their deaths to look like overdoses. Yep and four possibly more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it does say on mine. He said that there could be possibly 58 other people that um, and this is like 2014, 2015 this happened very recently. So this is recently. Yeah. I mean, when you got dennis nielsen, when I mentioned it, he was 1983, so you're talking like a decade two decades before, um, but you know they've said that this guy paul stevens. Is it paul stevens?
Speaker 2:uh steven paul yeah, um, he buried his victims like 500 meters away from his house in the shallow grave. I mean, it's like you don't even go that far out of your way to to just go, you know, to disguise what you've done. You know. I mean, yeah, you just. But could you imagine if they found 58 more people? That's, that's horrific.
Speaker 1:That's horrific, and this is the thing is. I mean, you look at a lot of serial killers and I guess that's why they're called serial killers, because they've murdered multiple people.
Speaker 2:Well, I've actually Googled what makes serial killers tick. Yeah, and this is on Google Wikipedia thing. It says serial killers are often driven by a complex mixture of psychological factors, often including desire for power, control and the thrill from act of killing. They may exhibit traits of psychopathies.
Speaker 2:Psychopathy, a psychopathy I can't say the word properly well you can't yeah yeah, um, such as lack of empathy and remorse, and can be highly organized and manipulative. Some serial killers also have specific motives, like financial gains, revenge or sexual gratification, which become intertwined in their desire to kill. So many serial killers exhibit psychopathic traits, including the lack of empathy, remorse and guilt, combined with the manipulative and egotistical personality type. So that's one type. The desire for control is the act of empathy, remorse and guilt, combined with the manipulative and egotistical personality type. So that's one type. The desire for control is the act of trying to kill someone in a way a serial killer to assert a control over the victim itself and their own lives, especially if they feel powerless in other areas. So you know, to basically compensate for their own lack of power. They then kill someone to make them more powerful, if that makes sense. Yep, thrill-seeking. Some killers are motivated by the excitement and the arousal of experience from the act of sexual gratification and murder in itself.
Speaker 1:See, I'd just rather have the sex part.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, but some people have. Necrophilia is quite big on, I know, but some of them do, some of them kill when people don't react well.
Speaker 2:Jeffrey dharma was having sex with, like some of his victims, really, he was he was, but and then also it goes on to other contributing factors like childhood trauma and I think this is where jeffrey dharma had that, that moment where he was abused by his father, yeah, and basically experiences like abuse, neglect, exposure to violence in the childhood environment can contribute to the development of violent tendencies towards individuals. Mental illness again, which is again is becoming more and more apparent, yeah, um, while not all serial killers are mentally ill, some may have underlying mental health issues and conditions which influence their behavior, like schizophrenia and stuff like that. Yeah, and then the social environment factors as well. If there's social isolation, lack of opportunity to expose to violence in the community, can also play a role in some cases as well.
Speaker 2:But it says here it's important to note that it's critical to remember that serial killers is a complex phenomenon, phenomenon right. Sorry, I kind of said that with a man yeah, that's the oneomenon with no single cause. A combination of psychological, social and environmental factors can often contribute to the development of a serial killer. So that is what they sort of analyzed from what makes a serial killer tick and what is the background to people doing these sort of crimes?
Speaker 1:yeah, and I guess you don't know like you could turn, like I have definitely had not serial killer thoughts, but times where I actually really do believe that I potentially could kill someone.
Speaker 2:This is where I was going to ask you. I was going to say to you, if you could this is hypothetical, I know you would never do it and everything else, but do you know?
Speaker 1:yeah I know, I do know you, I know you enough if I'm not everything else, but do you know? Yeah, I know, I do know you, I know you enough if I'm not here next week.
Speaker 2:Guys, you know what's happened, um, and yeah, if you obviously, if you obviously mushroom wellington beef, then obviously I might be the beef, um, but no, um, it might be that I know it's interesting to know mushroom can't say things like that no, he was the mushroom. He had the mushroom head what like a fun guy to be around um what?
Speaker 2:I was gonna say, um, yeah, so if you had the opportunity to kill someone, yeah, and this is one of the questions that danny boy asked if I had, if you had a power that you could kill someone, yeah, how would you do it? And what would you be doing to cover up your crime?
Speaker 1:well, um now, obviously this is all hypothetical, because I've never done this. Just based off what?
Speaker 2:you've watched?
Speaker 1:um. So I used to watch csi religiously right now I don't think I would get away with it because I'm also I'm extremely good looking. For those of you who have seen my photos Jeff and I are looking. I'm way better looking than Jeff right, I'm quite charming and all that kind of stuff. You've got the egotistical things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh shit, fuck, I have too. I'm ticking some boxes on that as well. Look at these traits as they're going along, guys.
Speaker 1:Yep, I would.
Speaker 2:I think You've got too much empathy, haven't you?
Speaker 1:Not really. No, you have. No, I don't think so. I could definitely kill someone. I really think I could, no you couldn't.
Speaker 2:I could, I couldn't kill someone you couldn't. As much as I would love to kill Dougie in my head, I wouldn't be able to do it.
Speaker 1:No, I wouldn't want to stab someone because I don't want to cause people pain, so I think it would be like a sleeping tablet or something like that. I'd actually give them mixed into their food, or maybe some mushrooms or gas them no, no, the gassing, because I could worry about them choking and all that kind of stuff and hearing the noises right injecting with something yeah, probably something like that.
Speaker 2:I'd probably inject sleeping drug and then just overdose them on. Yeah, and, but they'd have to go nice and calmly like this, this, this talk about this now brings brings up that that the whole nurse things you know that nurses, that, that nurse in the uk she was like going in and killing people in hospital yeah, but there was also, I remember the other one that was actually I think she's only just been charged, I don't know where it was reading it she was actually killing babies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as well, and like yeah.
Speaker 2:But, like I said, overdosing them. You know, giving them injections and overdosing them.
Speaker 1:And the mother came in and basically stood over her and said, what are you doing? And she turned around and she was like, oh, nothing, nothing. And luckily, the mother then said that the baby was struggling and so like, and she was like I think they were preemie babies or something like that. So they basically called a nurse and everything like that. And yeah, she's just been charged as well, I believe as well. Um, so, so, yeah, some fucked up people, but I think, uh, and if I was going to kill, I'd kill somebody that wasn't worthy of being on the planet right now. I have had this campaign, so would this be like a revenge thing? No, okay, no, no, I've had a campaign. Remember that when I said, if I'm ever president, one of my campaign promises would be one of my thing country living in. I'm gonna be, I'm making my own country. We know that. All right, the country of matt, right? Um, so we, um, I would be an advocate for you're allowed to kill one person in your lifetime, right, with no recourse whatsoever.
Speaker 2:All right, so you're still allowed to pick, but you still have to go through the process of, like disposing the body and hiding the crime no, not necessarily.
Speaker 1:You wouldn't have to hide the crime because you're allowed to do it so you could just go and point to someone, and there was caveats. So you had to be over 21 years old to actually commit the crime and basically, yeah, and that was it, but you're only allowed to ever have one Sounds like a game of Cluedo to me.
Speaker 1:You're only allowed to have one. So, yeah, what do you do it with? What would I do it with? Well, I don't know, I'd just like disintegrate them or something like that. I have a magic gun, a ray gun that went and they were gone forever. How does it go? Yeah, forever. How's it going? Yeah, yeah, but yeah. So, yeah, I could. I think I could Don't give this podcast to the police. All right, I'm not about to kill anyone. I don't hate anyone.
Speaker 2:And you've never killed anyone.
Speaker 1:No, I don't hate anyone, I just like a couple of people Hate's a horrible word Hate's such a shit word Like yeah, so I don't have hate for him, I don't forget, this was my question to you, just hypothetically. So who would you kill?
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 1:Dougie, no, not Dougie. Dougie's a poor little prick, he's an angry little man.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't kill anyone. You wouldn't kill him. I wouldn't kill anyone.
Speaker 1:Okay, hypothetically, if you were going to.
Speaker 2:Oh okay. How would it be Okay if have to be a dictator from a country you know?
Speaker 1:yeah, oh, because you've just done some past life stuff, so would it be somebody from the past? We're gonna do a podcast on that as well, which is gonna be really, really cool.
Speaker 2:I'm looking forward to doing that. I know you will. Yeah, oh, it's been fun. That's another thing I've been doing all week as well. I know you have chat.
Speaker 1:Gbt is consuming dave. Um, all right, so who? How would you kill? Would you kill somebody from a past life or from?
Speaker 2:a future, oh no, from this life, from this life Well, there's a lot of dictators out there. I'd love to take out. Okay, I would love to take out, like the North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un, un, un.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now you're going to get us cancelled because he listens to this. I know, but anyway.
Speaker 2:Would you have someone in North korea that listens?
Speaker 1:to this?
Speaker 2:we do maybe you might take him out for us. Hello, that's really shit. Sorry, I apologize, sorry, um, do it again. Do it again. No, I will not, don't look. No, this again. I mean I, I just I just have a dislike to dictatorships and I think you know anybody that is a dictator, which is quite a few, a few of them, don't say the C word. No suppression. When the masses are held accountable by one person and it's their desire to control them all, that's when I think okay, fuck you.
Speaker 1:I might go with that, as long as I'm the one that's controlling everyone.
Speaker 2:Look, I'd like actually to do to them what they do to others, like a firing squad or something like that. That'd be cool. I'd like to see them all lined up on a fence line and just being instantly killed together. That'd be awesome. Or tie them all up and make them look like like he's gone from killing no one because he's got too much energy to killing all of them but you could tie them up and put, make them look like drag artists and then kill them hang on, why.
Speaker 1:Why would you put them in drag?
Speaker 2:no, no to offend to offend them, because that's what they do. They persecute the people. Oh, okay, okay, you make them do what they.
Speaker 1:Let's say, let's say, dress them as the thing that they like, they hate the most exactly, okay, okay, yeah yeah, okay, not as drag artists, because they might like drag yeah but yeah, um, so yeah, um, but yeah, okay. So any other serial killer chat? Not really. I think we covered most of it. John Wayne Dacey was apparently a cross-dresser. Who John Wayne Dacey? Who the fuck was John Wayne Dacey?
Speaker 2:He wasn't a country boy.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, he was awesome. Like he was not awesome Again, he wasn't a gay serial killer, but apparently he was a cross-dresser. So yeah, oh, dresser, um. So yeah, oh, they had. Oh, ivan millet, we didn't talk about ivan.
Speaker 2:No, he killed quite a few people. He was from australia. Has he died now? I think he died recently. I don't know, um, but um, what was gonna? Oh, there's one more I was gonna say. Then we said that I forgot. Oh, the guy from canada. There was a the the base commander of the air force in toronto, right? So he was the actual base commander, yeah, and he had a fascination for women's underwear and he liked dressing up in women's underwear and he would go.
Speaker 2:He was actually nicknamed the panty thief okay and he would go around and steal women's clothes off the line, but he got to the point where he was then wanting to dress up in those, those knickers and bras and everything else, to the point where he then actually ended up killing two victims, which were two of them were members of his own staff members Okay, so he stalked them, gone to their house and then basically Stole their knickers and fucking killed them, Stole knickers and then killed them because they came back or caught him in the act and he's in jail now.
Speaker 2:But to look at him, you know high profile person, a pilot, you know a station commander who's in charge of the whole station, and yet you know he just turned to that because of a fetish he had.
Speaker 1:There you go. We can all turn in a second, we can all right, absolutely so. That concludes that little okay, serial killers, we hope you enjoyed it. Yeah, don't plan to kill us, please, no, but yeah, all right. Now on to our next segment. Dave, we need to do what Denny Boy does. He's created little jingles for every segment.
Speaker 2:Well, we can do that. We can and we might just do that because I'm stuck on ChattyPT and also making music on sonar and we've got two, four more new. Oh, we've got four new tracks out. Yep, yeah, we'll plug them in a second. Is that spotify? Yep, yep, yep, yep, um, yeah, so yeah, I think we should go on to our pet peeves, let's do pet peeves and ics all right, let's talk about it.
Speaker 2:Let you go first mr rant, can I, can, I, can I? Again, it's all noise related with me, I fucking hate.
Speaker 1:That's unusual. Do you know what I'm getting?
Speaker 2:some hearing aids just to turn it down. Do you know what? I just can't stand fucking noisy things, and my pet peeve this week is fucking pokey machines. Why the fuck do you have to have a pokey machine? That is fucking so loud that the person sitting on it is just looking at the machine and it's going ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding ding.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I'm thinking turn your fucking machine right, the fuck down.
Speaker 1:I get your pain. You do, right, I really do, and I understand it, because when we're sitting there playing the pokies or whatever, you can hear it so fucking loud and there is a volume button, right. But you've got to look at the demographic of the people that are playing it, and they're about 90, they do have hearing aids to what they're not wearing, so they're not hearing it right. So it should be up to the staff to go and give them a tap on the shoulder and say, hey, dickhead, let me adjust that volume for you.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm actually contemplating even maybe making a formal complaint to the club and also saying that my ears are now being traumatised.
Speaker 1:Well, they'll tell you to wear headphones and wear earplugs.
Speaker 2:Well, they can pay for them, then can't they.
Speaker 1:I'll give you some earplugs.
Speaker 2:I'm sure Mrs Brown's still got some in her bag from when I gave her to go over country. Yeah, yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do get it, though it is really annoying. It's again. I go straight, literally, because I'm going to win every single time. Obviously I go straight away and I just turn the volume down as soon as I get on the machine. Then when you win, you just start screaming at me, Then I go yay, I win again.
Speaker 1:But yeah, yeah, and you're good at doing that. I'm good at doing that, you are, I'm very successful. But anyway, what's your peeve? One of my first pet peeves is one-upping somebody in a conversation. Who One-upping somebody in a conversation?
Speaker 2:What does that mean?
Speaker 1:So when and I know people that do this frequently. So if I say, oh, I'm really not feeling well this week, I'm a bit off, I've got a bit of a sniffle- so they're putting it back on themselves?
Speaker 2:you mean no?
Speaker 1:no. Then they turn around and go oh yeah, I've got a cold, I've got a flu plus my shoulder's aching, and you go. It's not a competition right Right. Or if you sit there and you go I worked really good today Like you're just sitting there around with friends having a chat, you'll go I've been really good, I've been making sure they clock up 10 000 steps every day today so they're trying to overdo your sympathy, oh I'm now doing 15 000 steps a day.
Speaker 1:You sit there and go. It's fucking annoying. You don't have to be better than everyone, right? You can just say well done to some people, right? You don't have to, because it's like they're pulling the focus from whatever it is, no, not your sympathy, it's just from whatever you're, if you're actually saying it's an achievement that you've actually made, but then they've got to be better again. They've got to be better again.
Speaker 2:They've always got to have a. It's outdoing you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, always got to outdo someone one-upping somebody. It sounds a bit rude that, but it sounds good. It's rude, well, not putting one up. That's what it sounds like to me. Trying to be better than everyone else, regardless of the situation, because it can be a negative. It can be like oh, my uncle passed away this week and it'll be like oh, my uncle and my aunt passed away last week, especially when you brought the conversation up and they haven't mentioned anything in there. Yeah, they haven't. It's a fucking grind in my gears.
Speaker 2:It's fucking grind my gears. I probably didn't grind mine so much, but I know what you're saying.
Speaker 1:You wait, now that I've pointed it out, to you, there's some people in our circle and you wait and see.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:What's the next one?
Speaker 2:My next one is people queuing on the wrong side of the fucking ropes and shit like that. Now we got All you know is get to me. Yeah well, it's even like last night. Last night.
Speaker 1:We're in the club. Let me state the scenario. Go on then. We're in the club. There is a big rope right.
Speaker 2:They've got two registers.
Speaker 1:They put it out there, haven't they recently? Yeah, you've got two registers right and you've got the left-hand side and the right hand side right of the big rope.
Speaker 2:Right now, the left hand side is where you're supposed to. This is basically the the barista, the eatery right.
Speaker 1:The left hand side is where you're supposed to queue, because that way everyone's in line.
Speaker 2:When you get to the front of the line, you either veer off to whichever register is available next yeah, right, and the right is kept for people moving back and forth, carrying their food, carrying their food from where they pick up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the server to their table To their tables and stuff like that Right. However, of late, these fucking morons have been queuing on the right-hand side. Right Left-hand side is empty and the left-hand side is's empty. So when you pick up your food, you basically knock people as you're walking past.
Speaker 2:You can't even get past the people, or you can't even get past three abreast.
Speaker 1:Excuse me excuse me, excuse me. And you're sitting there and thinking it's really obvious, it's really obvious that they should be queuing on that side so what did we do last night?
Speaker 2:because it happened last night when we turned it, didn't they? There was all these people on the left hand side, the right hand side, sorry. We got there so we thought, oh, we're going to kill the left hand. I'm not having this, but we stood in the area where we were, the same line as where they were, so where there's finished. We started on the right hand, left hand side and then what happened?
Speaker 1:people then came on the fucking right hand side come on the right hand side and then think they're jumping the gun and I went no, no, I said you're supposed to queue on this side. That side's supposed to be left open so people can come back with trays.
Speaker 2:And they looked at us and she looked at us and I said yeah so you're behind us.
Speaker 1:She thought she was going to like stand up there and jump in the front. I said so you're behind us, right? And so she sort of looked at me really hesitantly and then did it and lo and behold, right, right. The queue then started forming on the correct side and made it a lot easier for people to walk up when they were getting their food. And we went back later to get coffee and we went back when we went to collect our food and it was all still flowing the correct way. So we did a social justice yep, we were fucking.
Speaker 2:We're going there tonight and I guarantee you we're heroes we're heroes. We're gonna get there tonight. You know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1:We're local heroes is what's going to happen, and then they're going to give us our award. Okay.
Speaker 2:But we're going to go. We'll be telling you next week whether or not they're on the right side of the game tonight, and I get that. I bet they are. Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 1:Yep and hoes. It's the hoes. They're actually having a big chat. They're talking about something I don't know. I'm not actually listening, because we knew that it would be britney um, but it was actually miami that started this conversation right, so she's back in there.
Speaker 2:Actually, yes, I think they were on they don't even know we're here.
Speaker 1:That's the thing. Yeah, but they do secretly.
Speaker 2:It's funny, it's funny but yeah, um.
Speaker 1:So my next one are people that talk during movies, right. So if I'm going to watch a movie, right, I want to watch the movie right now. I'm not necessarily talking about people, I am talking about I'm giving multiple. I'm going to give you multiple, multiple scenarios here, all right. So the people that are talking, like another group of people that are talking during the movie, where you're sitting there trying to watch the movie, that annoys me. But then the one thing that even annoys me more if somebody is sitting next to me in the movie watching the same movie I'm watching and saying what's his role? What's that happen? What happened there? What happened there? Huh, how come that happened there?
Speaker 1:And I'm sitting there thinking I'm watching the fucking movie the same fucking time as you. How would I know? Right, I don't know any more about this movie than you, right, and I'm not talking like okay, when we went and seen wicked. Obviously, I know everything about wicked because I'm a big gay man, right, and I love musicals, right. But so I'm okay with people saying who's that and what's that character? Right, I can give them a little bit of a summary, in that I would much prefer you to do it prior to us walking into the cinema. Right, why is she green? All that kind of stuff, ask me, ask me and I will Google it. Or I don't know, ask Google. But it really grinds my gears. People sitting there explaining the whole way through or trying to talk the whole way through the movie.
Speaker 2:And what about eating?
Speaker 1:Eating. I'm fine with the noise of the. I can get past that. I can get past that.
Speaker 2:We've got people on their phones Because I'm usually the one.
Speaker 1:Oh, I hate people on their phones in the movies. I fucking hate it because it lights up the screen, right, and they just. I'm thinking to myself you're going to ask your friend, oh, what did I miss? Because you're busy on fucking Facebook.
Speaker 2:But what happens if they're on Grindr and they're in front of you?
Speaker 1:Well, if they're hot, then we miss the movie together.
Speaker 2:You move to the back, we go to the back and suck my cockle and put my hand down my popcorn box. Your popcorn box.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but box, actually my balls are set. Yeah, but yeah, there you go. Yeah, so yeah, but yeah, so that's my second one and go dave, what's my last one is weather forecasts.
Speaker 2:Now, I don't know about you, but most of the time weather forecasts are pretty accurate. I get that okay. But every fucking now and then they'll say it's going to be fucking raining, so you make arrangements, so it's going to fucking pour down rain, and and you get up, you've made arrangements, you cancel things, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and it's the fucking beautifulest, nicest, perfect day ever. And then, alternatively, they can say, yeah, this is going to be fun, sunshine and fucking brilliant.
Speaker 1:Rainbows and all that and you go out.
Speaker 2:And then it fucking hammers down. Taking an umbrella, yeah, and then your whole fucking day is just a fucking disaster. It's ruined. It's ruined your haircut, so that is a pet fucking peeve of mine Get it fucking right. You've got technology, You've got satellites. You're paid a fortune to do weather fucking forecasting. So get it right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's Steve Jacobs, it's on you, he used to be a weatherman, did he? Yeah, it was actually quite hot, yeah, okay, yeah, very hot. And Sam Mack, I blame him.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, I think they should just make the weather like it's perfect all the time, all year round, so it rains at night when you're asleep, and then it's bloody and dry and just the right temperature, like the Goldilocks theory. Okay, that would be brilliant wouldn't it?
Speaker 1:That would be perfect.
Speaker 2:That would be fucking amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1:Right, my last one Go on and I don't know I'm going to have to start recording my pet peeves, because I don't know whether I've talked about this one. But shopping trolleys in car parks right, Not in car parks and such, but when they're left in the parking bay right. I think we did discuss this other last week?
Speaker 2:No, I don't know, we already did it last week. If we did the, we did the uh maybe the show and I think we were talking about this to him. Maybe I don't know, I think, because it's sort of like I have recollection.
Speaker 1:Yeah I have recollection, but it really does get me when I'm going to reverse, or I drive up to a spot because I reverse, park into everywhere, right, and then I get there and I go fucking trolley in the way right and the trolley bay two days up. I think it was with danny boy, you're right, there was a trolley bay two days up. I'm sitting there and going like, oh, it's not okay, it's not okay, I'm not happy about it. It does my fucking head in um and and it's not that far. It's not that far away. Usually it's just got money. It's not that far away usually.
Speaker 2:If it's got money in it, then I don't mind.
Speaker 1:You like it? Yeah, you're fucking collecting that, hey, it's worth doing. No, no, find a penny, pick it up all the time it's two fucking meters away. And it's got fucking $2 in it. I'm going to fucking get my $2 worth. It's when you.
Speaker 2:When you take it back and you realise there's no fucking chain that's why they haven't taken it back Then you get pissed off. I've just put that back and someone else is going to take that fucking $2 now, the fucking feeding bastard fuckers, even though it wasn't mine anyway. Yeah, it wasn't yours to start with, but yeah, that's our peeves. All right, that's our pet peeves for the day, so we're just going to released um check out, check out.
Speaker 1:We've got four new songs available on itunes um all streaming services, all streaming services that you can possibly imagine um, one of them is called welcome to the world. I wrote that one around um. It was about my new little niece, a great niece, lakelyn rose. Absolutely adorable little bundle of joy. She's a sweetheart, so check that one out, it's really cool. And then we've got one another one that Dave wrote and composed, all with AI, right.
Speaker 2:But we put a lot of the work into it.
Speaker 1:We don't just say give us this song, we change the lyrics, we tell it what style we want, what singers. So there is some artistry to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you can change any format. So we come up with a concept and you know, I sit down and think of something and I even work out collaborations with different people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because the title of this one is not something that AI would have created, so the title is called Unification of Humanity and it's awesome and that's kind of that when we, when we or when dave put that one together. His vision for that was eurovision sort of style and I had delta good room he wanted delta good room to sort of to voice it and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Um, with darren hayes someone like darren hayes now it hasn't come out like darren, but it has definitely come out sounding very similar to Delta. But we'll use that as our track for this one when we upload it, and I might even include it at the end of the podcast.
Speaker 2:I like it. It would have been a great song. I think it would have been a good Eurovision song contest entry, such a great song and obviously now Delta is talking about doing it for. Australia Eurovision yeah, I mean obviously we can't subject that because we wouldn't be able to do anyway, just meet the practice. But it's a good song and then she's listening, yeah, and she wants to cover of it. Then we'd be more than happy for her to do that because it's so good congratulations on your wording um.
Speaker 1:You looked amazing um, so did your husband yeah, and husband too, yeah, um, then outback boys, and I don't know whether I wrote that one.
Speaker 2:No, I did that one, I did that one as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you dirty little fucker yeah, um, but it was it was to do with you as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was like. You know, it's about gay cowboys. Yeah, it was. It was a bit like brokeback mountain, but not like yeah, it's a cool track as well.
Speaker 1:It's nice to come up nicely and then funky little secret, which was another one that you did oh my god you do hundreds. Well, I have been busy, haven't I? Yeah, you do, but this one, I like this one a lot. Funky, funky Little Secret is one of my favourite tracks so far.
Speaker 2:It is, so it's really cool. It's a George Michael sort of like take on his coming out in the yeah, it's like Funky Little Secret.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's good, but it's really cool, yeah, really cool. So jump onto your favourite streaming service, like whether it's iTunes or Spotify, check them all out and we've got a few more coming out.
Speaker 2:I've been playing around.
Speaker 1:We've got lots more coming. We've got a few dances coming through.
Speaker 2:Yeah, abba style ones. I love the Abba style ones we've done. You're such a homo, I know right. Yeah, I just love that genre it's really cool.
Speaker 1:But yeah, check us out no-transcript. We'll have three, four albums out already between our catalog of podcasts and music we should keep your ears we should keep your ears really, well and truly we can, we can actually start looking at merchandise.
Speaker 2:I'm joking, I'm joking.
Speaker 1:I'm joking yeah, because I make so much money from this podcast? Well, zero dollars, but we have so much fun. Yes, we do. But yeah, all right. So that's been us. I've been Matt and I've been Dave, as usual, and we've been your fully grown homos and we will talk to you soon. Bye, that's a wrap from us. We've been your fully grown homos and we look forward to opening your mind, your ears and your curiosities. Don't forget to like, comment and subscribe and share our podcast with your curious friends. You can contact us on fullygrownhomospodcast at gmailcom or any of our socials. Fully Grown Homos Podcast.
