Fully Grown Homos Podcast
Fully Grown Homos Podcast
Words Have Power: Navigating Homosexual Terminology Today
Words have power. When a homophobe at our local club referred to us as "the fucking poofters," it sparked a deep dive into the language of homosexuality – past, present, and evolving. What terms were once slurs but have been reclaimed? What words should never be uttered? And how does context change everything?
We journey through fascinating gay terminology from across the decades, uncovering forgotten gems like "Doric Love" (1920s term for gay relationships) and "fag stag" (the rare straight man who enjoys hanging with gay men). From "fairy" originally describing promiscuous women in the 1890s to "egg" describing someone pre-transgender realisation in the 2020s, we explore how language adapts to our expanding understanding of gender and sexuality.
Dave's Letter of the Day takes us through sexual terms beginning with F, from fellatio to face-sitting, leading to hilariously candid discussions about our own preferences and experiences. Then we tackle a sensitive listener conundrum: should our underwear model friend use a penis pouch to appear larger after a designer suggested it? We address body image concerns and the problematic nature of being asked to "enhance" what's already perfectly adequate.
This episode combines history, humour, and heartfelt advice – reminding us that while words can wound, they can also empower, educate, and bring us closer together as a community. Subscribe, share, and join the conversation by emailing us at fullygrownhomospodcast@gmail.com or messaging us on Instagram at @fullygrownhomospodcast.
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Speaker 1:Fully Grown Homos with Dave and Matt. On today's episode, we're going to cover off a few things, aren't we Dave? We're going to talk about the language of homosexuality and some of the slurs and stuff like that we're going to go through a few things. We're going to do our normal segment Dave's Letter of the Day and we're going to discuss something that one of our listeners has sent in to us. So it's going to be quite a broad spectrum of discussions. Yeah, we're going to run the gamut, but first of all what's been happening.
Speaker 2:Not a lot this week. I know We've had quite a boring week really compared to our usual week, haven't we really yeah?
Speaker 1:it's been very non-eventful this week, which is kind of good, Busy but non-eventful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nothing to report on. We haven't been out anywhere, we haven't done anything spectacular, we haven't got anything to report on but now I've gone back into my old role, yep, which is great. I'm enjoying that which is like on the bottom, but it's also up in the air, yeah, so no, I'm not bottom, I'm a verse. Thank you very much we do like it that way I do like bottoming, I like topping, I like.
Speaker 1:It depends on my mood um you like everything I do like everything, I do like everything, I do like everything. You are a Verse. Well, I'd be considered verse Verse.
Speaker 2:Yeah, verse, verse top More than verse. I'm verse top. Yeah, that's what's written on my Grindr profile.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Everyone lies on the Grindr profile. They do. When I say verse, you know what it means bottom.
Speaker 2:It's like sending a dick pic and saying that's me and they say no, it's not. I say, well, that's not your face either.
Speaker 1:No, correct. Well, yeah, where is your face?
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, got a few of those last night. Anyway, we digress.
Speaker 2:That's normal, and we haven't even got into it. You're not even two minutes in, so not a lot has been happening. We went out on Mother's Day, didn't we? Yeah, we did. It was in a club. That was nice, even though we didn't have our mothers there, because yours is no longer with us, unfortunately. Mine's in the grave, and mine is in the UK. And I'll leave that one there at the moment.
Speaker 1:But we celebrated all women. Yeah, we did All women all mothers out there, I celebrate you and it's a big job. I don't doubt it. I know I was an angel of a child to raise. Obviously, unlike my siblings, they were very hard work. That's why I'm the favourite child.
Speaker 1:I'm not the favourite child at all. Never was, never will be. I was, yes, but there is some phenomenal mums out there that we've got in our circle, so we celebrate them and happy Mother's Day to them. But straight into this week's, oh, I had a tooth pulled out. Oh, you did that's exciting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was exciting for the dentist because he got a bigger bank balance for the day, didn't he?
Speaker 1:He took your money. It wasn't as bad as I actually expected to be.
Speaker 2:Oh look, any surgical extractions is not good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I was expecting a thousand plus and it was only like and when I say only six hundred dollars, it's not like I have six hundred dollars just sitting there, but it wasn't the thousands of dollars that I was expecting and that's the sad thing about going to dentists a lot of people put off just because of the price.
Speaker 2:If the price was cheaper then people would be more inclined to go I don't like.
Speaker 1:I've had so many horror stories stories around dentistry, um, even from some of my family members where they went there and the dentist said, oh, you need to get this done, you need to get that done, you need to get that done and they're looking at like thousand, tens of thousands of, yeah, remortgaging the house.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah and this dentist didn't do that. He basically said here's your options. If I was you, I'd be going for the extraction, knowing the fact that you haven't been to a dentist in 10 plus years. Clearly your teeth aren't your top priority. However, like you know, they're not too bad.
Speaker 2:So I'm just looking at one of Matt's plants. He's got some brown bits on his monsterias, which is not good.
Speaker 1:No, that's normal. That's normal With the really white leaves. They go brown earlier. I usually just take scissors to them so you don't see them. Oh, I've never seen them brown before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's normal. That's absolutely positively normal.
Speaker 1:Okay, normal. Okay, he's not neglecting his. He's talking about my Thai constellation monsteria your cog, no, thai constellation monsteria. And they are very pretty, um, but when you get an all white leaf, it's all like, oh god, it looks so pretty initially, but I know this is going to happen to it because and I do give it um silica to try and prolong it.
Speaker 2:It's just like a white man sitting in the sun and he goes red, gets brown.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah it's got a suntan but it's crispy anyway, again digressing not even five minutes in, and we've digressed him multiple times already.
Speaker 2:There you go talking of being out of the Panthers. This is where our next topic of conversation is going to come into. So at Panthers, on Mother's Day, we run into our friends who we love very dearly Ryan and Tom from the club.
Speaker 1:And they had a chat with Dave. Yep, dave told them, they told Dave.
Speaker 2:So basically I was just asking them how their week was and they were explaining to me how it was and what they did for Mother's Day, et cetera, et cetera, and then Ryan said to me he goes's. Actually I mentioned about one of the, the members of the of of a member of of the club club, that's it. Yeah, sorry, because staff members not just remember the club, that goes their frequency every week. We don't tend to get on with him. I don't get on with him.
Speaker 1:I don't really like him, like to everyone, and matt is polite and because of his politeness this guy has decided that we're best buddies and he says hi to me every week and asks me how am I going to win today? Am I going to do?
Speaker 2:this and whether they're going to leave anything for him and everything else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and to which, when he says to me, you're going to leave anything for us, I usually turn around and go fuck, no, absolutely not. I'm going to win everything and I roll my he doing. And his girlfriend's a moron right. She walks around. She's on disability, she walks around with a stick in her hand when it suits her, when it suits her, except for when she's winning, and she suddenly forgets that she needs a said stick.
Speaker 2:And she comes running up the stairs on the pokies, or if she's walking from not well-liked in the club anyway. And they're not nice people, and that's between the staff members and the general public as well. So it's not just us that doesn't like them, but anyway the topic of conversation was I was just talking to Ryan about his week and then he said oh, this particular guy won't name names because there's no point, because he's a fucktist, he's not even worth having a name. Um, but basically he said, oh, that guy your friends.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he said I know your friends and I, like ryan, said who right? And he went.
Speaker 2:The fucking poofters right and ryan went really really you got a problem with that to which he sort of said, well, um, and then ryan then turned around and said, well, I'm one, but I'm not a pufter, I'm a gay man, and have you got a problem with it, you know? So that's where the conversation came, because, I mean, I was a little bit shocked, because I mean, this day and age, there's no need to discuss that sort of terminology with people. Anyway. Now he knows our names, so he could have referred to us as Matt and Dave, as most people in the club all know us. They either call us matt and dave or the boys, so that's how we're referred to all the time. We've never had a single issue with anybody in the club and they've never had an issue with us either. But for some reason, this guy who again, like I said, where I gave him many benefits of doubt of even calling my name, because to me he's like a amoeba, um single cell, that's all he is.
Speaker 1:So yeah, for me personally, I don't give a flying fuck what someone calls me, right, because someone's opinion of me is not my problem, right? Somebody's? Um? If they want to call me whatever they want, go for it. However, it's time to get educated, right? We do it quite frequently, right? I educate Dave on the regular about what's okay to say now, in 2025, and what's not okay. I also learn quite frequently what's okay to say and what's not okay to say. I often stuff up, but it's not with malice or with intent, right? So this moron was saying it in a way that was meant as a slur. It was meant as a derogatory term. Right Now, I've got friends that I've got one of my good friends' husband will happily call each other. Him and his mates will call each other fag, right? I don't get offended because they're him and his mates, right?
Speaker 2:but it's not derogatory towards it.
Speaker 1:He's not no no, he's not meaning it as a derogatory term, right, but that's just part of their language, right, which is not actually offensive, because the way it's said when he says it is not offensive, right, and that's um mark anthony claire's okay and him and all his mates and, and he's called me names, but again, he doesn't say it with any hate or with any vitriol or anything like that, and I do not take offense to it, right, I do not and will not.
Speaker 2:But he's also said it's your face rather than behind your face, as well, correct, correct.
Speaker 1:And that's even worse when people are talking behind your back if I thought for one second it was meant to be something that was a negative statement, I would stand up for myself. Um, you know that? Um, and I am waiting for this moron at the club to actually have just just some kind of balls to say hi to me again well, my army he's been annoying, he, he's, he, um.
Speaker 1:hasn't even looked my direction since then. So he must have realized from Ryan that that's not okay and he must know, or must have known, that Ryan's come and said something back. Well, we were at the club last night.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we were. We had Miami with us and her husband, Now Miami's a firecracker, she is All right.
Speaker 1:So she is a fucking short fuse. All right, so she is all right. So she is a short fuse, all right.
Speaker 2:So she has been charged for assault in previous years, but she took offense to what we were saying.
Speaker 1:She didn't like it she's very protective of her friends, especially me. I'm her, her person and she's, and she's one of mine and she's very protective. Well, she got up to go and get her son and this fuckwit walked past and he's going oh, is it you? I mean because the raffle number had just gone out. He's going no mate, might be one of the fucking poofters, right? Well, he legged it. He didn't look backwards. There's no way he couldn't have heard it. Yeah, but yeah. But let's move on from that. Yeah, because that's brought us to today's topic. Right, and that is what is acceptable, language and what is just some.
Speaker 2:Just classified as normal these days, yeah.
Speaker 1:And we've gone to, I guess, some Googling yeah, because that's our go-to right and we've actually looked at different words from different times and some of their different origins and things like that, and we've actually learnt a little bit today. Well, there's a lot.
Speaker 2:I'm still learning there's so many words here, so so if we go to Fag, Hag right now, which is what Miami is, and that's not an offensive word to her and so is Cleo, and Cleo owns that word, right, she owns it.
Speaker 1:She's been a fag hag for years and she knows that, right. So a fag hag is typically a woman, a heterosexual woman, who basically hangs out with gay guys more than she does other straight people generally, and stuff like that. Um now, cleo and myself used to go to um Ark, which was a nightclub in Sydney back in the day, and I don't know whether she was hanging around with gay men because it was cool and because we were like awesome, or because every freaking time we went to Ark she would pick up. Ark was a gay bar, right, she would pick up a straight man there every single time without fail, right, every single time. Right, it was freaking outrageous. But fag hag was actually derived or invented I don't know what the word is discovered in the 1960s, right. So that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2:But, dave, there's a word that we didn't know existed and it is very similar to fag hag, but it is a fag stag.
Speaker 1:A fag stag, which is a heterosexual man who enjoys the company of gay men and then it's got in brackets.
Speaker 2:rare, because a lot of straight men don't normally hang around gay men.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like the same with women or get enjoyment out of it by association.
Speaker 2:yeah, because normally they turn to become gay themselves.
Speaker 1:You know I mean but that was actually from the 1990s. That came into play. Yep, um, and again we're 2025. I can't believe I'd never heard of that. Because exactly like and and it is quite rare, because I've got a lot of straight mates right, but they don't really hang around. Even when I was in the scene, it wasn't the straight boys that hung around the gay scene so much, it was just if they were there with their girlfriends and stuff like that. And I've got a lot of guys that have definitely hung out at gay bars and that with me, but only because they had the better music, the better dance floors, the better DJs or better drinks the better music, the better dance floors, the better DJs. All the better drinks. The better drugs, the better everything. But they weren't there to hang out with the gay boys, they were there for the whole vibe of it all.
Speaker 2:As such, so yeah, that one actually was quite. I've got one here, matt. It's called Doric Love. Have you ever heard of that before? I've not heard of this, neither have I, and basically it's a term used from the 1920s as an expression for gay sex or romance relating to classical greek terms, sometimes with overtones of pre sorry, ped, drastic, pedrash katia can't say the word now pederast, pederastity yeah, yeah, which you looked up that word and what does that mean? And it basically Pedarascity, I can't say the word now Pedaracity.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, pedaracity, you looked up that word and what does that mean? And it basically says that it's men in a relationship with older, men in a relationship with a young boy, or sexual relations, sexual relations with a young boy.
Speaker 2:Which now turns into more like Pedophilia Pedophilia Almost Right, so yeah, like pedophilia pedophilia almost right, so yeah, so again, and that was, that was from. Let me just go back into 1920s, 1920s.
Speaker 1:There you go. Okay, you invented that. Oh, thank you. Yes, um, you've got curry queen, and um, what do you think that would be dave? I don't know, I haven't looked that far ah, that's a gay man who was attracted to indian. Oh, so you're a curry queen then?
Speaker 2:You were a curry queen for a long time.
Speaker 1:That was an offensive racial overtones that had, and that was in the 1990s, again in the USA that came about. So I do know of the term rice queen, which is again that's similar to the curry queen and that's somebody that's actually attracted to young Asian men as such.
Speaker 2:So I know about that one I got another one called an egg egg. What's an egg? An egg is basically a slang term originating online, so it's from the 21st century, so modern times. For a person who has not yet realized they are transgender, has not yet come out or is in an early stages of transitioning, usually used fondly by trans people to recognize when some, when aspects of someone's personality or behavior remind them of gender related aspects of themselves before they realize they were trans, is necessary to refer to this in description, use, speculation about trans or discussion about pre-early transition experiences.
Speaker 1:So an egg just like an embryo hasn't hatched, I suppose, yeah, and I guess it is the 21st century that one was discovered. So, um, and I think there is, I guess, as we open up our gender barriers, a lot more, um, that is very, very common for people to actually sort of, and and again it's it's like us, I guess we spot young gay boys not boys, but young gay men. We go, oh, they're going to be gay when they get older. Um, and sort of, you can you can sort of pick certain things if you're part of that community.
Speaker 2:What's your feelings on the word being called a fairy?
Speaker 1:oh, look again, I don't care, I know, but I'm not, I'm so I guess the the definition of it is like very effeminate and all that kind of stuff and that does not fit with me, unless of course I've had a couple of picardy breezes that I can be fairy like um, but it's not I. I don't take offense to anything right like literally, unless it's said with vitriol. Then I will be offended, right and fuck. If I get offended by something you better watch out, because you'll know you've offended me.
Speaker 2:Well, it was originally a slang word used for the meaning of promiscuous women oh, okay there you go, so I'm just putting you right on a few things here. Yeah, basically it's been around since 1890s, 1890s.
Speaker 2:Wow, so they slid it around, so, yeah, so promiscuous women were fairies back in the day, okay, and then it's been, then reclaimed by the gay men in the 1960s, only used as an individual self-described in this way. So if you want to be called a fairy, you can be called a fairy. We know people that that then call themselves fairies in the game and it's just a term that they like being called. It just makes them like a community base or like um group, doesn't you know? There you go again. You learn from from factual information. Sometimes googling is pretty good, sometimes it's not what about this one?
Speaker 1:d Dave? Go on then. Have you ever been this one Called this one Rough trade?
Speaker 2:A rough trade. I'd like to be called a rough trade.
Speaker 1:Well, rough trade is slang for a man who identifies as straight but sometimes has sex with queer men, usually as a top All right, okay, queer, men. Yeah, with queer men. So that was derived in the 1960s, oh wow. So that was a long time ago. So I've always said I like rough trade, but I didn't realise what I was actually saying. So I'm going to come out of this session a whole lot more educated.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you're going to rename yourself. A lot more different things, aren't?
Speaker 1:you a whole heap of things. You're going to change your birth certificate now. That just jumped down.
Speaker 2:I don't know why that disappeared. Do you reckon sam smith will appear on this soon?
Speaker 1:stop it I can't go into oyster territory again. He's had too much hair play so there's a word, dave back it. If you can remember, all the way back to our very first podcast, what was the word that I actually schooled you on back then?
Speaker 2:You schooled me on yeah.
Speaker 1:I told you that's not an okay word to say anymore.
Speaker 2:Oh Well, I'm allowed to say it now You're allowed to say it for the context of this.
Speaker 1:Okay, the word is tranny, that's correct. Yeah, and here it says highly offensive slur for a trans person. Originally used to conflate transsexual people, transvestites and drag queens, mainly used about trans feminine people, but offensive to all trans people. Tranny is extremely offensive and avoid speaking it aloud. And that was the 1970s. It was come about which, again, I know this and Dave now knows this because he's actually sort of been taught by myself. Yeah, but it's not an okay word. The words that are great to use is their name. Ask the person what their name is or what their preference is to be called. And because I have heard other trans folk call each other tranny and again, that's like me calling Dave a fully grown homo.
Speaker 1:That's what we are we're homos, but it's actually.
Speaker 2:It's offensive to them, isn't it? That's an offensive word as well.
Speaker 1:I wonder if that is actually on the list. Homo, it is here. It says shortened form of homosexual, often derogatory, always used in the full term in description, and that was the 1920s. All right, so, and obviously we don't take offense to the word homo, because otherwise we would never have put it in our title.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly Of the show the fully grown homos. But we own that anyway in terms of like, we own the word homosexuality in terms of for us, we're happy with that, yep, homos and stuff like that, because we are homosexuals and that's a word that's. It describes the gender of people we are yep, you know, or the group of people we are not gender yeah our gender is male. Yes, exactly. Have you ever heard of a, a gay cat?
Speaker 1:no, what's a gay cat?
Speaker 2:a gay cat is a slang used primarily in unhoused sorry in in unhold, sorry. I'll start again. Slang used primarily in unhoused or criminal communities from the first half of the 20th century in the us generally donatinga younger homosexual companion oh, okay, there you go.
Speaker 1:Okay, and um, there was one in here I've seen before and I can't find it now, but it was something about prison and all that kind of stuff and you like prison.
Speaker 2:You love prison, sex. You love everything about prison, don't you? I like the idea of going. What about you know, gold?
Speaker 1:oh, here it was here it was um, it was a gump, a slang used by incarcerated men in the us to denote a person in a passive role in gay sex, and that was in the 1980s.
Speaker 2:So so, what going on yeah so yeah, gump.
Speaker 2:Well, I got one very similar. It's like gonsel or gunsel or gun shell or gunsel, and it's slang used by incarcerated and unhoused communities in the us to donate young gay men or boy. Okay, so again, this is very interesting as we're reading through. Oh yeah, it's above your one, you just come. Yeah, um, I've got one here which I've written down, so I'm going to go to on my list because I want to make sure I've got it right. Um, yeah, do you know what a prussian is? A prussian p-r-u-s-h-o-n? I think I've got one of those. That works for me. Well, it's a slang, slang word used by unhoused communities, again in the us, to donate a young gay man who travels with an older companion.
Speaker 2:Okay so a cushion is like a cushion, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's actually from the 1890s to the 1980s Exactly.
Speaker 2:I've never heard of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, again, there's some, but, to be fair, never heard of. There are a lot of words that you say that I've never heard of and I don't.
Speaker 2:I'm.
Speaker 1:English. You're Australian by birth. That heard of, and I don't. I'm english. You're australian by birth. That's probably why it's like you run. I speak australian, um, and you speak english. Is that australian or australian? Australian, australian, australia, australia. Welcome to australia, buddy. Yo, um yeah, so there's lots of interesting words on here, um any other highlights that you need to call out before we jump there's?
Speaker 2:one, like I said to you earlier, the word stud. Now, if I said to you stud, I mean my interpretation I'd say thanks, yeah, I know I am. Yeah, well, we refer to, like you say oh, look at that stud over there, and it's not like a bit of wood which, like trainees would use like a stud wall, it's like referring to a hot looking guy technically, isn't it?
Speaker 1:yeah, well a stud is usually the the thoroughbred it's no, it's usually the masculine version of the slut. So it's like if a girl's fucked a lot of people, right, it's usually usually in my brain before reading anything. It would be like the slut would be the girl that was promiscuous and fucked everyone and the guy that, and it would have like the slut would be the girl that was promiscuous and fucked everyone and the guy that, and it would have like the slut would have the negative connotation and the stud would be the male version that's fucked everyone, but that's a positive connotation, which again, I think is wrong.
Speaker 2:But that's not what stud means you told me no, so you're talking the 20th century. So you're talking only sort of like just before the 20th century. Yeah, so 2000, so up until 1999 he was described. So, basically, community term used for african-american or latinx masculine queer women, also known as ag. Ag only use if someone self-describes in this way and avoid using for white people, as this is a term specifically developed by and for african-american and latinx communities only. Yeah, there you go, which is so. Would that be offensive, then, if you, a lesbian, was to call a white woman a stud, I suppose it would be, wouldn't it?
Speaker 2:because it's not really meant for them, is it? Yeah, so it's more like African-Americans and Latinx women. I don't know.
Speaker 1:So I also went. So I also before we end this part of this session, right, because we've still got lots more to do today. Yeah, but I went to Urban Dictionary to look up the word pufta, because I love Urban Dictionary, it's got some great examples and stuff like that, and it actually tells me that there's a. It's a slang word originating from australia in the 1960s, meaning homosexual word can be derogatory depending on the context and user's intent, right? He is so effeminate, mate, what a pofter, right? But then it's got it because, because um urban dictionary always gives you a little bit of a um, a little bit of um a sentence, to put it in, so a bit of context. And it says here, um. And it says andrew, running around in hot pink, arseless chaps and muscle shirt and a little shih tzu with him, me, oh jesus, andrew, you're such a bloody poof um, okay, well, that's not a derogatory word, no, no, but this is like that's just again.
Speaker 2:It's like society, I mean, it's like there's. I mean poof is not really, in my opinion, an offensive, offensive word, but when it's used in the derogatory sense it was which was no need for. Then it becomes derogatory and offensive to me then, yeah, because there was no need for that comment to even even being entertained. Yeah, I mean, he knew our names. He didn't have to refer to us anybody, you know that way. So that that just summed up his negativity to being a? Um, what do you call it?
Speaker 1:a homophobe, a homophobe, a homophobe, a moron.
Speaker 2:Just at the very end of this little segment here, matt, it's got a list of slurs that generally refer to gay and feminine men. All of these terms are offensive and should never be used or replicated unless necessary as part of a title or other identifier, in which case enclosed in question marks only. And these words are arse banditse, fucker, booty bandit, brownie you never heard of brownie before um bum bandit, bum boy, um butt pirate, bender bent. The words go on and on, yeah, yeah. So you know these sort of words are ones that really are quite offensive to the gay community. I suppose when you get like a fudge pack of filthy girly boy, mincer, pillow biter, I don't mind, pillow biter, pillow biter's all right. Shirtlifter, you know these sort of things are turbo. These are words that we've actually heard in the community and they can be offensive. I get it. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:They can be Correct, they can be.
Speaker 2:And it you know. I mean they can be correct, they can be, and again, I think it's all relevant to where the context, what's the context and the intent that it's said with. So if you've got any special words that you want to tell us about and we'll investigate a bit more then let us know on how they're going to do that matt, yeah, they're going to let us know on any of our socials, mainly instagram, because I really don't check facebook because it's really you don't even listen to the podcast, half the time I'm joking he always listens to the podcast.
Speaker 2:Yes, he has to, because he has to okay, you do um.
Speaker 1:So I would say you can contact us on our socials at fullygrownhomospodcast, or you can email us at fullygrownhomospodcast at gmailcom. Yep, but right now it's time for for Dave's Letter of the Day.
Speaker 2:So you're going to have to get into my bag of balls again, Matt.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I'm going to reach in to Dave's balls. You've got to move over so you can grab the balls and I'm going to yep, oh, okay, you haven't shaved in a while.
Speaker 2:Dave, that's not my. Yeah, that's not the one you want. Pick another one.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right.
Speaker 2:All right, want oh pick another one.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, all right, reach it in grabbing, grabbing. Oh, what's you doing? No, oh yeah, fuck, you've just come on my hand um, okay, that's not come, just me that's pissed sorry reached in. I've got your ball here. It is dave. What letter have?
Speaker 2:I got, you got the letter, so you got letter f matt. So I'm just gonna have to go through my diary all my letters.
Speaker 1:Sorry, we're there okay, so day's letter of the day today is the letter.
Speaker 2:Find where f p f here he goes. I think we've had that before, but I've got a different list here as well well, there you go, there you go okay, so different list of f balls, f bombs, f bombs.
Speaker 1:So first word is fellatio, fellatio love it um it's basically oral um given blowjobs not basically it is, it is it is oral. It's um the technical term for for blowjobs, and I love them. They're my favorite.
Speaker 2:No, they're not my favorite oh, you can't do at the moment, because you can toothy.
Speaker 1:I can't because I've got a tooth, but I can certainly get one if you want to give one. I had a wank this morning, so it's okay. What was that last night?
Speaker 2:You can't freaking remember, because you're so busy.
Speaker 1:I had one last night actually. But fellatio, I love it. I like it with a little bit of teeth, sometimes not too much Teeth, yeah, not scraping, but just the feel of it a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's some really bad people out there.
Speaker 1:I love it when people put my balls in their mouth.
Speaker 2:And suck them hard, oh yeah. Really hard.
Speaker 1:I like it when they're squeezed. Do you like them being smacked, not smacked?
Speaker 2:Some people like them being smacked, squeezed. I don't know. I'd like them squeezed definitely.
Speaker 1:Sucked is good, smacked or whatever, um, but I yeah, I'm not good on pain. I like the sound of balls slapping.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's good. Yeah, that's really good. Or?
Speaker 1:even your ass cheeks being slapped, yeah, yeah, lightly lightly.
Speaker 2:I don't like being slapped or smacked or anything like that no, no, yeah, david I'm precious doesn't like pain um no, um, all right, all right, I think we've covered off. Yeah, moving on to that, otherwise I'll get hard. We'll go on to food play food, play food play. We were talking about this the other week, weren't we about dressing someone up and eating off them? Yeah, we were. We were talking about that. That was one type of food. That was last weekend we did go.
Speaker 2:I can't remember half the fucking time, but we missed it because it wasn't that exciting.
Speaker 1:The company was great, but anyway, we were on food play. We were going to put the birthday boy down, which was Justin Brittany's husband, and eat off him like a sushi plate, weren't we? No sushi, just pure cream, and then make some more, but food, food play. So in the past I have actually and then make some more Yep, but food food play. So in the past I have actually gone the whole chocolate sauce and stuff like that on nipples. Don't do chocolate sauce when you're rooming someone.
Speaker 2:That could get messy.
Speaker 1:And if somebody actually has an accident it could taste bad. But I've done the chocolate sauce on nipples and stuff like that before cream cream.
Speaker 2:I've never done honey because I'm always quite hairy about things like strawberries and stuff like that strawberries yeah, I've never bananas.
Speaker 1:I've seen somebody put skittles under their foreskin. Yes, we've seen that, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And what do they say?
Speaker 1:let's shoot the rainbow yeah, yeah, what shoot the rainbow? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Taste the rainbow, taste the rainbow, yeah, yeah what shoot the rainbow?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, yeah, taste the rainbow taste the rainbow um food play.
Speaker 1:What else have I used? Well, I haven't used any things like carrots, but I know someone that has yeah, that wasn't really food play, so it was an object that was used which is food, play that's what food play is.
Speaker 2:No, I associate food play with more as fun fun stuff. You're eating, though it was fun. Yeah, what I'm saying is it's not I don't know. Yeah, it's difficult. In my mind, food play should be sort of like whipped cream yeah, strawberries, custard, honey, ice cream melted on your skin. I've got to make ice cream, but you're an ice cream maker now, so just let you know we are don't build in as we do always all's go next, but food play, would you? Would have you done the milkshake man?
Speaker 1:oh, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah gojo, yeah gojo, our representative from eurovision, who unfortunately didn't make it to the finals.
Speaker 2:I don't know why, but he was phenomenal, it's a bit like benson boone in his outfit wise, he was fucking packing money was, and he loved it as well, and I think the audience loved it. Yeah, where there was a yum-yum, weren't they? Yeah?
Speaker 1:Yum-yum, yum-yum. Yeah, it was awesome. Talking of yum-yum, talking of things have you ever used things like spaghetti and stuff in your body? No, I haven't like spaghetti. You know this. I'm not a fan of spaghetti bolognese. No.
Speaker 2:No, but Tin spaghetti, I don't mind, no, I just mean pasta, then Pasta on On you For food play, For food play.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, no that would get too messy, Really no no, isn't messier, the better. Well, no, because I've got to clean up. I'm a single man. I'm going to clean up half for myself, yeah yeah, what's the next word, dave?
Speaker 2:okay, next one is face sitting face sitting.
Speaker 1:Oh well, we know what happened the last time I sat in someone's face.
Speaker 2:You shut yourself I'm joking, he stuck his tongue right in my hole.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I fucking came everywhere and I hadn't done that before.
Speaker 2:That was fucking amazing, but I do like to get my hole eaten, yeah, but you don't even have to have your hole. It could be your balls, it could be your cock in his mouth, just basically squatting over someone's face and letting them use their tongue.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as long as I know, I'm completely douched and cleaned and everything's safe and there's no chance of anything else coming out. Because, if there's no chance of anything else coming out, because if there's any chance and somebody goes to go down there again, no, no, no, no, thanks, yep, yep, um, so yeah, but I, but I do love it's good with threesomes as well, because you can have one sitting on the other person's cock, riding them, yeah, facing you as you face them.
Speaker 2:Sitting on his face yeah, and that's interesting. That's gonna be good as well.
Speaker 1:I can help, yeah so, face, it's a good one to have you to have a go, yep. Then you're looking at frot or frotting, frotting, oh my God. I haven't heard of this for years. I know right. Oh, wow, that's lovely. I love watching the videos on X, yeah, and basically what frotting is is accidentally rubbing up against someone.
Speaker 2:It's the art of rubbing against each other's cocks, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I've also seen it done on trains, in public places and stuff like that, and you'll see like one guy with his hand on the bar holding the bar and another guy will be like rubbing his cock on the bar and they're both consenting right. Well, the bar, Well, and you can see one. They'll be looking at each other and it's obviously staged.
Speaker 2:When you say a bar, what do you mean? What sort of bar? The bar you're holding on the train Right, not a bar you get drinks from no.
Speaker 1:Okay, like the pole. Okay, sorry, fucking, I forgot he speaks English. Sorry, listeners, come on. So yeah, and you'll see somebody like rubbing their hand against the other guy's crotch and it's just like, oh, that's kind of hot, I want to do that. So yeah, frotting is good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's actually a French word which means frotter, which also means rubbing or to rub. Yeah, so frotter is the French word for frottingting. I hadn't heard of it for years. There you go, so now you've got your little bit of memories back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah a little fun time you smile on your face onto x again, yep, yep, um, you got uh, foreplay, foreplay what's foreplay? Who cares? Um, get straight in there now. I do like foreplay because foreplay is kissing and it's touching and it's caressing and it's getting those juices flowing, whether they be pre-cum or just your other kind of juices, your energy juices are flowing Pretty much yeah, yeah, I do like foreplay and it can be individual or together or multiple.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's an important aspect, I of any sexual act I suppose yeah, 100% okay, um you got. What about facial facial?
Speaker 1:haha, we know someone that got a facial last weekend. Um, don't we miami? Yeah, um, so miami sent us some photos in our um in our group chat that we have called hose up the hose chat, right, and um, she basically had given her husband all this self-care stuff and he conceded to do it all because he got to basically give her a facial. Um, and when I said to her how to go and she said well, he's not stupid, he's known me for years he made sure he got his first before I had to deliver on his. So that's why he was so relaxed in the photos, because he'd already fucking dumped a load. He was just ready to let her do whatever at that stage. So, yeah, but yeah, look, I've given a facial to somebody.
Speaker 2:And what's your best terminology of facial? Is it in the mouth, on the face?
Speaker 1:All over the face On the chin.
Speaker 2:Some people like it on their chin, some some people like it on their chin. Some people like it, some people have I've seen a lot of videos where they just fucking squirt. It goes in their eye, goes every fucking way yeah, I'm not a fan of that you can't help it if you're fucking a big squirter.
Speaker 1:Yeah if you're a big squirt, I'm not a massive squirt, I can come pretty hard. You're talking younger guys, you know I mean but that guy that came over to your house, that straight guy, yep, um straight bisexual bisexual guy. I'm sorry um and he wanted me to basically come all over his face um and so I did.
Speaker 2:And then he went into the mirror and just stood there looking at himself like this is like the fucking best thing ever. It was just like, yeah, this is hot, this is very hot and he'd get turned on by, wouldn't he he?
Speaker 1:wanted to fucking do it again, and again, and again, but we Dave's moved now so he can't find him.
Speaker 2:So yeah, the last one is foot job.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, no, I don't mind foot jobs. I've rubbed my foot on somebody's cock to get them hard and all that kind of stuff, but I can't say that I've given anyone a foot job.
Speaker 2:I don't have to be sucking your toes no, obviously no.
Speaker 1:We all know that that's a no for me, it's a yes for me I know it's a yes from you, um, but a foot job for me would be, I don't know, is that?
Speaker 2:well, I think it's quite hot, though, when some if you're laying on one end and like someone is sitting there reading a book or something, can you know you can see them see the temptation is to reach out with your foot and then start rubbing their crotch. Yeah, that's hot, that's hot, that's hot. And then you end up fucking, just getting your foot together and just fucking wanking them off.
Speaker 1:Well, you've seen my toe right, it's ugly.
Speaker 2:I'm not talking about your toe. I'm talking about your foot.
Speaker 1:Yeah foot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, but my feet are also ugly um, but yeah feet are ugly in general.
Speaker 1:I'm I'm. I'm not a fan. You're not a foot fetish. I'm not, I don't have a foot fetish.
Speaker 2:There's definitely fair to say, well, I don't have a foot fetish but I enjoy the actual out of like maybe you do, I don't know, it's not saying I gravitate to as like I've got to do, I've got to go do. It's just like if it happens it happens and I get it turned on and enjoy doing it. You know what I mean? I don't like socks, don't like shoes, don't like all that sort of thing. They're fetishes. I don't like them.
Speaker 1:I do like to see a pair of boots that come all over my mouth.
Speaker 2:No, no, work boots. That's pretty much my list of, anyway, for the F word today.
Speaker 1:For Dave's letter of the day. So you can put your balls back in your sack now, dave, because we're done for this week, for that one, all right, so we have. It's not really a question, but it's a bit of a listener conundrum.
Speaker 2:This is someone that we've had contact with in the past.
Speaker 1:We've had Sultan Royale contact reach out to us a number of times. Now he's a sexy, a fucking sexy underwear model Very hot looking guy. He's a hot underwear model. We need to meet up with him, and I can't remember where he's from.
Speaker 2:Argentina. I think he's South America. He's South American. I think it's Argentina I think.
Speaker 1:But he's hot, regardless of where he's from, he's actually smoking hot, right. He is a sexy, sexy, sexy man, all right. So he's reached out to us and he said hey, dave and Matt, I hope all's well, loving the podcast, love to listen to you guys on my runs and at times I'll listen to have a wink, which we love. We do the same, don't worry they always heard you work.
Speaker 1:Chanel, stop it. I don't know what my girls are going crazy for. Sultan? Yeah, they like him. Good girl, all right. So they ready to quiet? Shush, come here. Good girl, shirley, all right. So are they ready to quiet? No, sit. Anyway, he's written here and hopefully I'll be able to get through it without any more noise and ruckus, shh, oi, shh. Anyway, last year he wrote to us about his willy worries. Now he wrote to us last year and told us that he had basically been told that he was small. Now he sent us some pics and we debated this, we reviewed and we did do a podcast about penis size. He inspired that podcast for us and he is well above average, I would say yeah, yeah, he's definitely above average.
Speaker 1:Yep, um, especially hard now, none of us.
Speaker 2:I'm, I'm sorry, bear with me, you carry on yep, you carry on, take him out there.
Speaker 1:But yeah, um and um, he he wrote to us about his willy worries. Now, now, his willy worries were that he was small. Now, he's not small. He's got a decent-sized dick on him. Right, he's not a monster cock, but no one is, and, trust me, I've had enough dick to fucking. Know that. Right, I've had lots and lots and lots, especially over the last few years, of being single. Right, myself I'm a little above average. Yeah, dave, you're average, average right, um, but again, um, we've seen pictures of his dick and it's not small. No, right, it's, it's average. And I think the people that are comparing it are looking at things like porn stars, which we all know they get hired because they've got monsters right, and the percentage of people out there with a huge, huge big dick is only probably about 25 of the population anyway.
Speaker 2:And that's world population.
Speaker 1:Yeah, correct, correct I mean, so that's only if you're from I think it's ghana and places like that, but yeah, but anyway. So he wrote here basically saying he's started modelling again this week Now he's looking amazing. He sent us a couple of videos and he's looking fantastic as well. His fucking ass is beautiful. Yep God, I'd love to jump up on that as well.
Speaker 1:Come to Australia, have some fun with us. Anyway, this time around the designer asked him to wear a penis pouch right for the small thongs. And there was really no need, he said basically. And then the designer also asked him to push his dick downwards to give it a bit more Length, Like a bit more oomph to it, and stuff like that. Now he said that he's thinking of rebranding himself as a small cock model. Well, you can't do that, because your dick's not small, Exactly, and more so you shouldn't need to anyway.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Now your dick's not small, so you don't need to rebrand yourself. You've got a very nice cock and a very, very nice ass and a very nice face.
Speaker 2:And a very nice face and you're a nice, handsome, and you're a nice guy.
Speaker 1:from the communications that we've had with you, you're a nice guy as well. So my conundrum here is around the would you be inclined? Why are you breathing so heavy? Are?
Speaker 2:you all right heavy. I'm chasing the fucking dogs, that's why.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, sorry I just thought fucking hell. Um, we're doing meditation. I felt like I was back at yoga, um, so I would be hesitant to put a pouch in for a couple of reasons. Right, number one you don't need to. You don't need to, all right, but that's on you, that's up to you. Is my first point, right as to how you want to be portrayed on camera, if you want to give the vision that you're larger than you are, um, you miss branding yourself. By all means go ahead and do it right, um, but it's not necessary at all.
Speaker 2:Um see, my take on it is that you're being um, what's your? The people that are asking you to do these things are body shaming you. In that regard, I think that they shouldn't be doing that. They don't need to. They like you. They've chosen you to be a model for a reason, and you've got the body, you've got the look and everything else, so why they need to push you to put a pouch down there when it's not necessary? Well that and that's on them so there's brands.
Speaker 1:So if I'm going to use a brand right, I look at the advertising and all the marketing for aussie bum, who is an aussie brand. Um underwear underwear and swimwear. Um company right for both men and women. But they started out as a targeted gay audience definitely. I don't know what their history is, but they use guys from all sizes, shapes and all that kind of stuff the same as budgie smugglers.
Speaker 1:Budgie smugglers do the same. All right, now, aussie bum, they have underwear that lifts you up and pushes you forward, right. So it gives what you've got right, that look of being bigger and fuller. And I have those. Definitely have those right. So I get wanting to look bigger, feel bigger, all that kind of stuff, because that's what the media tells us, and all that kind of stuff. But if somebody is telling me that I should be doing this for their campaign, I'd almost be saying find a new model. Um, if you want one that's going to have a giant cock well, this is what gets me.
Speaker 2:They've chosen him for a reason. Yeah, because he fits the bill with everything. He's got his looks, he's got the body and he's obviously got the cock initially. What they want, so just by asking him to put a prosthetic pouch inside to give him a bit more enhancement to emphasise their design, either is a failure from their brand design for not allowing it to happen naturally, or they are just being very Close-minded Close-minded exactly, and I don't believe that he should have to do that.
Speaker 1:No, and they should apologize to him personally, I think, for even asking him yeah, I'd be, I'd I'd be hesitant to work with him again, quite honestly, um, and I'd be saying, well, just ask him why I'm in underwear. Fuck you, I'll go make my own underwear that fits all types of men.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it should be elastic, but from the from the videos he sent us of the actual shoot. It looks amazing, yeah, it looks great, I mean, and they weren't. Even when he had no underwear on, you could see his balls hanging down, yeah, between his legs, yes, so, and they had no issue with taking photographs of him like that, did they?
Speaker 2:you know I mean so they look tasty too, absolutely, you know, people didn't get to see the front shots at the same time but look, at the end of the day, I think you know you need to just say to them, you know, I mean, is it necessary? What are your reasons for me having to do this? Yeah, and argue your case, because I don't think they need to insist on you doing it, because I think you've got an adequate size penis, but also a body and a face that matches everything they're asking of you. So you know, for me it's a bit of an insult for them to ask you. Yeah, personally, yeah, but again, I mean, it's up to you. You're the one that's doing the modeling. So if you feel like you, you feel like you want to do that, that's up to you. And if you got, if they're asking you and you feel it's acceptable, then that's fine.
Speaker 1:But certainly don't brand yourself as a small cock model because you don't need to have a small dick, buddy. Um, you definitely don't have a small dick and, like I said, come to aussie, come to sydney and um, we'll take it for a test right.
Speaker 2:I'm sure there'll be other modeling companies over here that would hire you in a heartbeat, you know yeah 100.
Speaker 1:You're a very, very good looking man. Yeah, definitely, um, but yeah so um so small cock, small cock.
Speaker 2:Rebrand not needed at all, not for you anyway, my friend.
Speaker 1:No, not for you.
Speaker 2:And yeah, you're going to get plenty of followers on your X and I'd like to see what the actual campaign looks like at the end of it. So if you do get to, yeah, send us through, send us a link of the company.
Speaker 1:I'll see it anyway, because I follow you on Instagram anyway. But yes, I'll see it all anyway, so I'll look forward to that anyway. But yeah, if you have any questions or if you'd like us to discuss anything, how do they do that, Dave?
Speaker 2:You can contact us on any of our social platforms, especially Instagram, which Matt keeps on saying that Philly Ground Homos podcast, sorry and our email, phillygrandhomospodcast at gmailcom.
Speaker 1:And don't forget to jump onto iTunes or Spotify and have a listen to any of our AI-made songs or AI-generated AI-generated We've actually created them.
Speaker 2:We have created them, and a lot of people say to us it's not all AI. No.
Speaker 1:We do put in a lot of words and stuff. We put the words, we put in what we want it to sound like exactly and we choose a genre and everything else. So it's all down to we write the lyrics, we do all that kind of stuff for it.
Speaker 2:But we've had fun.
Speaker 1:Well, me more so because I've had more time with or four out there.
Speaker 2:Disco Cinderella is probably our favourite there's one that we can't publish, because we're hoping that we might be able to use it for Eurovision next year if we get a chance We'll see.
Speaker 1:We won't because they don't allow any songs with any components of AI in Eurovision no it doesn't say that it does.
Speaker 2:It didn't say that it haven't been published or anything, or haven't been out there to get popularity, because it has to be done, uh, prior to being selected. So as long as it's all in-house, okay, um, because we still created the lyrics. I mean, at the end of the day, it's just because, again, good luck getting in touch with eurovision for that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway, yeah, good luck, good luck. It's a good song. You can endeavor to do that. That can be your next project, thank you, but yeah, um, but yeah, we've had fun with that. So jump onto either itunes or spotify's and look up fully grown homos you'll find our tracks there. Or you can jump on and type in matt kavanagh and find my songs as well that I've actually written and sang yeah, and there's a few songs on there that I think that you'll be able to sing on your own, yeah.
Speaker 1:I do have my own.
Speaker 2:But what I'm saying is a few songs that we've created that you'll be able to easily make into your own this silly thing called work that gets in the way.
Speaker 1:Alright, we've been your Fully Grown Homos. I've been Matt, I've been Dave, as usual, and we'll talk to you soon. Love you, bye. That's a wrap from us. We've been your Fully Grown Homos and we look forward to opening your mind, your ears and your curiosities. Don't forget to like, comment and subscribe, and share our podcast with your curious friends. You can contact us on fullygrownhomospodcast at gmailcom or any of our socials. Fullygrownhomospodcast Fully Grown Homos podcast.
