Fully Grown Homos Podcast
Fully Grown Homos Podcast
Masturbation Mishaps and Tackling Taboos: A Journey to Self-Acceptance
Ever wondered why society makes us feel so ashamed about our natural urges? On this episode of Fully Grown Homos, we peel back the layers of our earliest sexual experiences, from Dave’s innocent curiosity about catalog images to Matt’s sly consumption of media innuendos. We tackle the societal pressures that breed feelings of shame around sex and masturbation, aiming to create a space where these conversations are normalized and less stigmatized. Listen in as we share how confronting these taboos can lead to greater self-acceptance.
Get ready for some laugh-out-loud moments as we trade stories about our unique masturbation journeys. We talk openly about the confusion of first ejaculations, and how we each developed our own techniques over the years. From the essential elements like rhythm, pressure, and speed, to the more unusual contexts—yes, we’ve done it in some pretty outrageous places like offices and airplanes—the conversation is candid and humorous. Our goal? To highlight that sexual satisfaction is a personal journey, filled with trial and error.
As we wrap things up, we dive into the intricate world of LGBTQ+ sexuality and the stigma around sex work. Through personal stories and deep analysis, we discuss how shame and judgment affect both the LGBTQ+ community and sex workers, and how social media platforms contribute to this narrative. The morality of deep fakes, the important role of fantasy in sexual arousal, and even the debate on the age of sexual consent—nothing is off-limits. We close by inviting you to join the conversation and share your thoughts, making Fully Grown Homos a platform where every voice can be heard.
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Welcome to Fully Grown Homos, a podcast about our adventures as fully grown homos navigating today's world full of inquisitive friends, questions about gay life and the unexplored activities of a life lived as fully grown homos.
Speaker 2:We'll discuss the gay 101s, sex sexuality and topics we don't even know yet, as we want your input into what you want to hear. Nothing is off limits, so email us on the Fully Grown Homos podcast at gmailcom or message any of our socials, fully Grown Homos with Dave and Matt.
Speaker 1:And on today's episode, what are we going to talk about, dave? We're going to talk about sex, matt, that's right, let's talk about sex. It was a great song back in 1991 by Salt-N-Pepa and, like they say in the lyrics, let's talk about sex, baby. Let's talk about you and me. Let's talk about all the good things and the bad things that may be. Let's talk about sex. So we're going to chat about why is sex shameful, why is masturbation shameful? We're going to talk about all the good parts of sex. It might vary in different ways, because that's what we do. We will go off on different tangents and digress. But, dave, what is your first memories of sex?
Speaker 1:Not you having sex, necessarily.
Speaker 2:We've discussed that before, but I think like anybody growing up, you know you've got no idea about sex until it's in your face, I suppose Literally and figuratively sometimes. But look, I mean everybody goes on a different journey with sex and we'll talk about those sort of things later on, but for me, I think I was like. I think sexual identity or sexual sort of like encountering for me was all about looking through my mum's catalogs and stuff and then realizing that in my mind, like I said in previous um podcasts, that I was sort of like attracted to the physical being you know, yep, so I?
Speaker 2:I didn't know what sex was, I suppose so question when you were looking through those catalogs?
Speaker 1:yep, were you sneaking looks at those catalogs, or what was?
Speaker 2:there. No, I mean because my mum used to have the catalogs and we just like look through everything and I think eventually, as I obviously grew older, I then was more interested in looking at the men in the catalogue, if that makes sense so therefore that's shameful about it, though no, I don't think I felt shameful.
Speaker 2:For me it was like it's hard to describe because I mean shameful to me is something that I was not happy with. I think I. For me it was just I didn't know. I mean, I didn't, I didn't know what I was meant to be feeling because to me I felt, I felt something inside me, but I didn't know what it was. Not till later in the years, absolutely.
Speaker 2:We all know it was a carrot, absolutely the carrot, absolutely, absolutely, um, but look for me, um, I wouldn't say it was shameful, it was more inquisitiveness, I suppose, for me. Okay, yep, but again not knowing what sex was about until you know you started in life. Yeah, I think that would have come probably more for my teenage years, you know, I mean when I started realizing, you know what my cock was for and how good it was, and you know and everything else that comes with it. You know now.
Speaker 1:You definitely know yeah, what it does and how to do it with it and how to use it and what about yourself? Um, so I guess my first thoughts and all first discovery of sex was probably through media, I want to say, because there was always some innuendo. In shows like hey, hey, it's saturday and things like that they'd talk about naughty stuff. Or even the Benny Hill show They'd talk about boobs and dicks and stuff like that. But it was all very cohort, very sort of undercover and sort of sneaky, not dissimilar to the way it's done in movies these days. Even if you look at Shrek or something like that, there's a lot of naughty stuff in there for the adults. That is sort of double entendred for the kids and that. But I think my first thoughts around and exposures would have been the media of some kind, definitely, and I suppose that's for most people as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think I would say that there was probably definitely some shame around it, because I used to sort of when I'd find those things that were a little bit what I found, a bit sort of turn-on-y and stuff like that. That's a real word, by the way. It is in our world, yeah, in my world it is. I went to Mount Druid High. That's how they taught us, or learned us, but so, yeah, if I found it a little bit sort of saucy or something like that, I was a little bit embarrassed. Salacious, yeah, yeah, okay, wow, now that's definitely a private school word.
Speaker 1:Um, although I went to private school um, but I I'd find definite shame in it. So I don't know where that shame came from. Um, I think, from doing a bit of research on the internet, that I think society shame sort of tells us that we're because we're not open about sex in society. We don't have open, frank conversations about sex, um, ever. Um, we do. Clearly, as you've listened to any of our podcasts, we have open conversations about sex and we have open conversations about sex in our day-to-day life with our friends, and some of them blush, some of them go oh goody, this is a topic I want to talk about, but yeah, I think sex is shameful in society still, yep.
Speaker 2:But everybody does it though. Everybody does it, everybody has sex. Even those that deny, you know, doing it still have to have some connection with a sexual thought at some process. Yeah, because you can't just turn sex off. It's a natural instinct, isn't it, you know?
Speaker 1:what I mean? Yeah, it is animal instinct, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's lots of animals that just like have sex and have sex and have sex and have sex.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and a lot of them don't do it just for reproduction. A lot of them do it for pleasure. Like we've spoken again previously, dolphins do it for pleasure, and I'm sure there's lots of other animals that do it for pleasure, like humans.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. But sex, the whole process of sex, is technically to reproduce. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's what sex is for, not for me. Stick it in the bum.
Speaker 2:I know. But what I'm saying is you know, in terms of normality around the species of everything, yeah, evolution, you have to have sex in order to procreate into other, you know other animals, you know, can you imagine a little me running around, absolutely around, absolutely no fucking chance.
Speaker 1:Do you reckon plants have sex? Plants do have sex because they multiply, and don't ask me the technique. Please don't get me started on trying to find out how to multiply. That'll be a question for matt. Later on I'll find out for you. I, I do multiply plants, not multiply with plants. Well, they do, don't they? Because you have, they have the pollen and the flowers and the birds and the bees, and that's where they do exactly the stigmas and all that like yeah, they're made on the female, so yeah, they do, definitely, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2:So, like I said. So, it doesn't matter what you know, whether you're a human or a plant or, uh, you know, a cell of some sort. You have to divide in some way, yeah, and the only way you can do that is through a sexual act, I suppose yeah.
Speaker 1:So I mean, look, when doing some research and basically it said, like a lot of the shameful sex, or why some of some people find sex shameful, is because of past trauma. All right, um, whether they've been potentially abused from a young age or um, they've experienced a bad situation.
Speaker 2:A bad situation and things like that which, um, or they've been forced into that through a either a religion or a cultural sort of like belief, beliefs where they are not actually exposed to it physically, but mentally they are taught. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:it's bad, don't? And we've all heard when, when I was growing up, I got told that if you masturbate, you go blind. You go blind.
Speaker 2:Here I am wearing glasses, so clearly I've got a cataract, so obviously it's worth the both of us Clearly.
Speaker 1:it's fucking facts.
Speaker 2:It's true.
Speaker 1:It's facts. But you know what? I'm okay with being blind, because if I can't touch myself, well then.
Speaker 2:You get someone else to touch.
Speaker 1:I don't know what else to do for you. I will be very unimpressed if I can't touch myself.
Speaker 2:It's when you can't see who's touching you, then you start worrying.
Speaker 1:That's when you go really blind. That's when you know you've jerked off too much. Um, but yeah, I look, I think masturbation is fun. I think masturbation with a partner is definitely fun as well, but a lot of people tend to be really nervous about that. If you ask and we've got a lot of straight friends and we might do a bit of a survey is, does your partner masturbate? We'll ask our audience. Now, if you go up to your husband slash wife, slash partner, ask them do they jerk off? You watch their reaction. They're gonna go no, straight away, right where they should be saying yeah, I do, I do it in front of you, you idiot, you can see me. Um, because it's actually part of sex, it's part of fun. Um, I like jerking off in front of somebody, but I am a bit of a voyeur and a bit of a um, what's the other word? Oh, exhibitionist as well. So, um, and you're all of the above.
Speaker 2:All of the above, I like to watch and I like I'm sure there's a few other words to describe you matt too?
Speaker 1:probably tons. Apparently I listen to a podcast we've recorded but haven't released yet, and apparently I'm a bit of a whore.
Speaker 2:Um oh you are. Yeah, that came straight from his own mouth as well.
Speaker 1:In all of it yeah, days and in again Days. Later in the day you'll hear that dropping very soon or prior to this one, who knows, but yeah.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I mean, but like there's so many different techniques to masturbation as well.
Speaker 1:And I don't think what's your fave.
Speaker 2:I mean. I don't know I mean you know for me, just I don't know. You got me here then, matt, so you know.
Speaker 1:So how Okay. So when you started, were you just like a oh as in, like when. I first started out. Yeah, oh, I thought you meant All the way through to now as well. Oh, okay, so let's Well.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I mean for me. I mean I didn't know what masturbation was until, you know, I came for the first time and I didn't come through masturbation. Yeah yeah, it was just weird. I mean, I just remember coming.
Speaker 1:Did you have a?
Speaker 2:wet dream or was it rubbing against something? No, I remember I was going to have a shower, no, a bath, and I just remember, you know, taking my clothes off and then suddenly, you know, there was come everywhere and I was like what the fuck is all this? I didn't have a clue, honestly, I didn't have a clue. Um, and you're talking back in the 80s, you know, yep, um, and you know, for me it was like okay, I've got no one to ask questions to. You know, because I don't know what it is. And then after that, you know, when you start, you know then having erections afterwards, and you know, you realize, okay so when you did start beating off, yep right, what was your preferred technique, and has it changed over the years?
Speaker 2:not really. I mean, I tend to masturbate you know you wank off using my right hand, right hand, yeah, but I tend to grab the shaft of my cock, yep, with my two fingers and my thumb, yeah, so it's not like you know you get guys to hold the whole hand, go around it, so I'm more a whole hand, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So for me, like I said, I mean if someone's jerking me off and they don't do it right, then I can't, I can't climax, I can't come, because you know, it's just, I think it's the pressure of your hand, or the, the actual um, the stroke as well, because you've got to get it right. You know the rhythm, the fastness, and you know, if you don't, sort of like because I've been joked off a few times and if they haven't done it fast enough, then obviously I'm not going to ejaculate. You know.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, and that's standing for a lot of guys I think you know I mean or you know, or sometimes some people can be too forceful and they can be fucking hard it feels like your dick's got to.
Speaker 1:You've got to stop them because it's like this is too painful, it's not going to happen. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:That thing will come off if you pull it hard enough. But I think everybody has you know individually. You know what you like.
Speaker 1:One of my exes. He liked to basically put his two fingers around the top of his head.
Speaker 2:So the way Matt's describing me, he's holding his hand and he's got his two cock there.
Speaker 1:He's got his two fingers over the top of the head, so your head was basically almost in the palm of your hand and he'd sort of basically jerk it back and forth with this thumb. We're like that with his sort of thumb and sort of stuff like that.
Speaker 2:So I can't really describe what he's showing me, but I can get what he's saying yeah, it was like, so it's almost like you're clenching your fist, you're cupping your fist together, so your knuckles are sort of like exposed. Your fingers are tight, yeah, into your ball of your hand, yeah, and the two main fingers that, the index finger and your second finger, yep, are open, yeah, and then the cock goes between that and the head goes in between the, the sort of like the knuckle part.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's touching the base of your palm yeah and then you're using your thumb to stimulate the back Sort of the perineum part, because you have got quite a good grip there, if you pull on it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you put your fingers together and put your finger. It's quite a strong grip there. I never thought about that, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's really strange, isn't it? Yeah, it was like it was something that I'd not seen before off. So, um, I've got many and varied techniques, um, but then, um, see, like I'm I'm a whole hand kind of guy, yep, and I like squeezing my own balls as well, because I like to have that feeling and that sensation, um, and that can sort of get me there real quick, um, but I, um, I'm mainly right hand.
Speaker 2:I can do left hand I was gonna say have you done the old trick where you put your hand to sleep and pretend that someone else won't get you off? No, because I was always saying I used to do it when I was a kid. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:No, I haven't done that yet. Oh, I probably have. Who am I kidding?
Speaker 2:I've fucking set myself up every other kind of way. It's like you know, I mean yep, so.
Speaker 1:So in the, the jerking off stage and stuff like that, are you one that likes to stimulate yourself only while you're jerking off, not all the time?
Speaker 2:not all the time, okay now occasionally I will.
Speaker 1:No, if I'm I occasionally I just think I need something. I mean, I've done it.
Speaker 2:I mean, I've done it and I've ejaculated quite well with. Yeah, really, you know, having something prostate, you know mass, having something prostate, you know massaging your prostate at the same time will give you an amazing orgasm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'd come across the room, Definitely, definitely definitely enhanced and I get that 100%.
Speaker 2:But for me, you know, just generally masturbating or wanking off, I don't, you know, I just do it. You know, sometimes I can have a very quick wank, if I'm really horny, and get it done, yeah, and then I've got other things happening, then I'll just like quickly jerk off.
Speaker 1:So when's where is then? Where's the strangest place?
Speaker 2:place you've jerked off, oh god I don't know, where am I jerked off? I mean, I don't know I don't have you.
Speaker 1:Have you jerked off in?
Speaker 2:a workplace. Yeah, I've jerked off in the workplace. Yeah, I can take that one off.
Speaker 1:I've jerked off in an airplane in an airplane.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right okay, an aeroplane, okay, all right. Okay, I think I've jerked off in an aeroplane. I'll be military. Yeah, because.
Speaker 1:I haven't fucked in an aeroplane cubicle, but I definitely have jerked off All right. So we just had to pause that. So we're a little bit lost about where we were, but we think we were talking about sex on a plane, so let's hope we were. Um, I haven't had sex on a plane because, again, I'm a six foot one guy. That's pretty broad. Um, so having sex in a plane cubicle isn't necessarily possible for me, or it wouldn't be comfortable. Let's put it that way, I definitely think I've jerked off on a plane. So where else have you jerked off, dave? What's the strangest place? I think I asked that you did.
Speaker 1:But we didn't really get an answer. You said you've jerked off everywhere. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Everywhere's not an answer. It's probably bad to say where I haven't jerked off as well. Where haven't you jerked off? Where haven't you jerked off? Well, I haven't jerked off in the Queen's Chamber, well, because you haven't had access to it.
Speaker 1:But you are English so maybe you have that's an assumption.
Speaker 2:Look, I mean strangest places that I know that other people have jerked off are in cemeteries and churches.
Speaker 1:Have you ever felt frisky in a cemetery and wanted to jerk off? No, I don't think I've been to many cemeteries. To be honest with you, what about when you've been to funerals and things like?
Speaker 2:that. Yeah, I don't think I've ever sort of had the urge to jerk off.
Speaker 1:I have, because I think one of the funerals I went to not recently a while ago now one of my hot cousins was there and I probably wanted to jerk him off.
Speaker 2:Is this a first cousin?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1:Well, it's not illegal, you know it's not legal, but yeah, um, but anyway, um, let's go past that one. Um, but um, the strangest place I've. I see, I, jerk. I've jerked off outdoors a number of times, in the bushes, in the sea, in the beach, in the pool, in the showers, in showers, gym locker rooms, all the time. What about?
Speaker 2:your mum and dad's bed no, I don't think I've ever done that. That's weird. No, I've never done it, but I know there's other people out, if you know what I mean with your uncle no, I'm joking.
Speaker 1:Incest is a game the whole family can play. Depends if it's like blood related or not. No, incest is not okay. Yeah, but I'm trying to think where haven't I joked off Dog park? I've definitely. Almost I've gotten hard in a dog park, but that's when I was taking some photos of upshot photos of myself, because I liked the little shorts that I bought. I've seen them nice big bulges and sort of. Yeah, got myself a bit of semi so that I looked really impressive and bulgy, bulge um.
Speaker 2:What about fast food places or restaurants? You're jerked in there. You see these clips of people jerking under the table oh yeah, I like that clip.
Speaker 1:That's really good that guy where he puts his feet over and basically rubs the other guy's cock. Yeah, that's hot. You've never done that. Then I don't think I've ever done it. Just in your mind. Maybe we should, maybe we definitely should. Well, it's a club tonight. Let's go to the Panthers tonight. I'll give you a toe job. Um, it's not camel dough. Um, that's not for me, it's not yuck, but it's just not for me anyway, let's go with it.
Speaker 2:I think we're digressing like we normally do. I think we need to go back um, shouldn't be taboo.
Speaker 1:No, we're all. But what about what?
Speaker 2:about you talk about our experiences. What do you think women feel? Why do you think women feel shameful about masturbating? Because a lot of women do more so than men.
Speaker 1:Again, I think it's the whole situation where they're actually told it's taboo. They're told it's like your private parts are private and yeah, I get that it should be private, because in public you can apparently get arrested for it. Um, I may know that for a fact, so I've got.
Speaker 2:I've actually got a thing here, matt, yeah, um, you've got more than one thing there, yeah, yeah, okay, um, I might know that for a fact. So I've got. I've actually got a thing here, matt, yeah, um, you've got more than one thing there. Yeah, yeah, okay. Um, I'm just on a web page called psychic central, okay, saying about why.
Speaker 2:Why are sex and shame often linked? And it's got. Sex has historical being historically sorry, being connected to values and virtue For men and masculine identified folk. Some harmful society lessons encourage viewing sex as a consort or a conquest sorry, not consort conquest. And then it says society pushes people to engage sexually and there's a tendency to pass judgment on those who view sex differently. In turn, this doesn't have room for folk who are sexually or so asexual or simply have different perspectives around sex. It says. On the other hand, women and feminine identified folk are often taught that their sexuality is something to be hidden and protected. Limiting themselves sexually unlimited, unlimitedly adds to their value. Historically, women are often battered like property and commanded a high value for their virginity.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I guess even we're in 2024, and there is still some of that context, although changing, ever-changing. Changing um, thankfully for the better um, and to like, thanks to the likes of um, awesome um, role models like abby chatfield, who definitely embrace her sexuality and sensuality, um, and along with lots of other fantastic women um a lot in my inner circle and things like that as well, that are very sex positive and enjoy sex, enjoy their bodies. But there is still that lesson out there that virginity is something you should hold on to forever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you're tamed if you lose it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that if you've been with more than this many men, you're not worthy Yep.
Speaker 2:And that goes back in history, doesn't it? You know you look at the royal family. If you've been with a woman, you know that's been um has lots of ingenuity then there's no value in that marriage. Yeah, because you haven't given yourself up to that. One person only. But a guy, on the other hand, can go and screw or fuck as many people as he wants, and there's no judgment on them it's.
Speaker 1:A guy having lots of sex is a stud. A girl having lots of sex is a slut. Yeah, and it's stupid, it's that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:So you know, is it society? Is it religious? Is it? You know? Where does it stem from?
Speaker 1:Well, we'd have to go way back into BC times before or that kind of stuff, or even further potentially. But it's time for a change Of course. It is, I know, for a fact that sex is enjoyable a lot of the time. Sometimes it's not, but then you just move on to the next partner.
Speaker 2:The thing is, it's no wonder why women have this empowerment struggle, you know, I mean because they've been put down society so much yep that you know the repression goes all the way, not only from you know their status, but all the way back to them being sort of, like, you know, protected, or told that they have to protect themselves from everything and they can only feel worthy if they are pure in every sense. Yeah, so stupid. It is stupid, isn't it so?
Speaker 1:stupid, like your body is a wonderland. Yep, enjoy it. Yeah, it's a theme park. Enjoy all the rides, every ride, the one at the front, the one at the back, the one in the middle, the one at the ever have you?
Speaker 2:I mean this I think we can maybe ask our female friends, because we're not obviously going to ask our family members, you know, uh, no, this question about you know what they feel when they masturbate? I mean, do they have a special technique? Because obviously, like we were talking about jerking off and holding, you know, our cocks and stuff like that. I mean, I mean, I know we, we've actually gone and we've, you know, we fingered girls and stuff like that, you know, and we've stimulated the clitoris and stuff like that. I get that, bubby.
Speaker 1:I can't say I've stimulated the clitoris. I wouldn't have known where it was back then. Oh, you sure have. I still wouldn't know, even if you'd draw me a fucking diagram. Oh.
Speaker 2:I'm sure you would, anyway. So you know, going on to that, I wonder if they have a technique that they use as well, because I think I never even asked my ex-wife. I didn't ask her because, I mean, you know, masturbation is like a private thing. We're led to believe this is what I'm saying. We're led to believe masturbation is a private thing and, to be honest with you, I mean, if you want to wank, you're just going to have a wank.
Speaker 1:Well, the thing is that, because of the shame that's attached with it Exactly From, like I said, from childhood, because you would get told by your parents like and I recall listening, and I think it was on the comedown, the comedown, I think they said that one of them was not allowed to actually have their bathroom door closed Right when they were in the shower, when they were in the shower when they were kids, yeah, because their parents were fearful that they'd actually masturbate, right all the time wow so this is where you actually sort of definitely get shamed from.
Speaker 1:Um. So I think that, while I definitely had the bathroom door closed in my bathroom and, as you are aware if you've listened to previous episodes, the guy down the road, his bathroom was closed. But I jerk off everywhere anyway, as most teenage boys do. But it was, yeah, this shame that we attach to it. But I'm 100% over over that shame. I will jerk off and I don't give a fuck. Well, no, obviously. When was the first?
Speaker 1:time you had multiple people in the room when you jerked off oh, that was probably at a sauna or something like that, I would imagine, because I was very vanilla initially I think a lot of people are that even in life I mean most people won't experience more than just their own bedroom. Yeah, you know, I mean oh yeah, a lot of people think that bedrooms are the only place you can have sex yeah guess what people you're wrong.
Speaker 2:There's kitchens, there's lounge rooms, there's laundries, there's back car seats there's cinemas there's trains, there's, planes, there's, boats, there's automobiles, there's a sea there's. I'm sure a lot of people do, but what I'm saying is the majority of people in society, I think, just think that sex is somewhere in the bedroom and it's a private matter. They don't talk about it. They don't even talk about it. What's your favorite place to have sex? Oh, I think you know where. There's lots of people, I think, yeah, I think they're more than mary on the viewing platform.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean look, I mean, you know yeah, I, I didn't say this.
Speaker 2:I've got a particular favorite, but I just enjoy being around where there's lots of people like you've got a choice. Like I like my sex, like I like like my buffet that's probably why we like going to church a lot, because there's a. There's that I mean we, we go together and we stay together. Yeah, you know, I mean. But sometimes sometimes we go in varying directions as well but then you know, we always meet up again yeah, 100.
Speaker 1:But the thing is that I I definitely like the, the buffet style, yeah sex that happens, but we tend to get things started, church anyway, you know we do.
Speaker 2:We tend to get the altar set up and we have the priest come past and bless us.
Speaker 1:God. We're going to hell. We were going to hell a long ago, but that's okay. We've just secured our ticket Down, down, down in flames, but we get the party started.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we definitely do we definitely do, and I think a lot of people are grateful for that at all yeah.
Speaker 1:So look I. I think it's fair to say that I don't suffer shame in sex at all anymore. Um definitely did throughout. I think it's fair to say that you're the same um yeah, I think that everyone should be way more open about sex and sexuality and masturbation and all kinds of things like that.
Speaker 2:So what do you think going forward then, matt? Obviously, because we've got different cultural and we're part of the LGBTQ plus community, obviously, do you believe that sex in our community is more shameful or do you believe that society is? I mean because we know, we've been experiencing, I mean I know for myself, coming out and coming into that environment, that I'm more sexually active, I'm much more sexually open, I'm more, I mean, um, so I think that initially, until we actually find our feet um or our cocks or someone else's or someone else's.
Speaker 1:I think there's definitely some suppression and some shame about being lgbtq plus, yeah, who's that coming from within our community or outside?
Speaker 2:Both Okay.
Speaker 1:Our own community is probably the most homophobic and we slur against each other. Oh, we do absolutely. We slur against little pockets within our community. We're judgmental. So the bears don't like the twinks and the twinks don't like this and this, don't like that and that don't like that, and it's just like where do I fit? Brinks don't like this and this, they don't like that and that they don't like that.
Speaker 1:And it's just like for fuck's sake, when do I fit in? We're one community, let's all just enjoy each other and have fun, Yep. But and if you're actually part of one community, it's almost like and you find somebody else attractive.
Speaker 2:It's almost like when you're at school you're in different colour houses, isn't it? Yeah, your friends are in one, but you can't talk to them because they're part of that community or that that color. So it's quite unique.
Speaker 1:It's like competitiveness against each other for the sake of being what you know, because I'm not part of that group. Yeah, it's quite funny, but yeah, um, but I can't, even before you ask me now I asked you whether you know moving forward.
Speaker 2:You know whether or not society will change?
Speaker 1:I suppose, I hope so you know I hope, so, I hope.
Speaker 2:What can we do, you know to, to change the way, you know, people perceive sexuality, even more so in the lgbtq plus community?
Speaker 1:I think we can be open, be vulnerable like we do. Yep um, I think, if we, I guess, use our platform um that we've been given the podcast, the fully grown homos podcast yep um, for good rather than evil about segmenting our community, but do you also think in terms like we're going back to the lgbtq plus um, do you think that we are more actively sexual than the heterosexual community?
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, I think the perception is that we are more actively sexual right Now. Myself, I am more sexually active now in recent years than I have been in a long time. Previously in my my relationship I was definitely not sexually active.
Speaker 2:So again, do you believe that you know?
Speaker 1:I know straight couples definitely would have had way more sex than I did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, but do you think that's a dynamic that causes you to be repressed in your?
Speaker 1:I think it was just the relationship I was in, quite frankly, and that's like for the previous one as well. So I just think it was that relationship, because I know lots of gay couples.
Speaker 2:But did you feel guilty for masturbating?
Speaker 1:No, but I also didn't discuss it. So maybe because it was like because I would still be jerking off once or twice a week.
Speaker 2:But did you feel guilty because you weren't having sex with your husband husband at that time?
Speaker 1:no, because I did ask quite a lot initially and um, I think we've spoken about it, um, and previously, where, if you get told no often enough, you kind of stop asking, right, yeah, right, because you start feeling that you're the one that's actually less attractive and you start feeling less than Hence why I'm really glad to be single.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Because I don't feel less than anymore. No, you've got more and I've held myself in high value now where I probably felt less than and didn't feel like I didn't feel attractive at all then and didn't feel like it didn't feel attractive at all. Um, and definitely when I was masturbating, there was people I was looking at and oh, in pictures and things like that. Yeah, um, whether it be on tumblr, which was the big website for the multi, for the most part there, yeah, different websites and stuff like that um, but didn't feel as attractive as them. So the sex wasn't even an option for me, because I'd always been told no, so often that I thought, well, what's the point in asking because it's never going to happen? Um, but then again.
Speaker 2:Do you believe that that is part of why you felt shameful?
Speaker 1:yeah, I'd say so because, because it was. Oh yeah, it's hard to put my finger.
Speaker 2:I'm just trying to get the whole link for the whole podcast here. So, taking your dynamics and your experience and stuff you know, going from being a teenager where you bat off like four times a day, four times okay, but then moving forward, obviously going into your adult life and stuff like that. I mean, you've had multiple relationships, but do you feel that you know, when you were in this one relationship, that that made you feel more shameful and more suppressed?
Speaker 1:well, I look, I don't think it was.
Speaker 2:I wasn't feeling shameful about sex or guilty though guilty because obviously you had to find pleasure outside. You cannot be an adult and not think about sex.
Speaker 1:You can't correct, correct, and I would see people um when I was at the gym, but then you weren't engaging with people were you correct.
Speaker 1:So that's what I'm saying so you want to, but that's what I'm saying and I think, like I said, the closest thing I ever got to was there was like someone in a in a shower cubicle sort of opposite me, and I could tell he was jerking off and I got hard and I jerked off and I could see him jerking off and he was watching me, I was watching him, but that was it, like you know what I mean. So almost mutual masturbation, but it wasn't together. But did you feel?
Speaker 2:guilty for having those thoughts. Oh, I felt guilty. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:But you shouldn't feel guilty, should you?
Speaker 2:You shouldn't, you shouldn't. So, like I said, your dynamics at that time were suppressing your own desires.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I felt like I was almost cheating in that situation which I knew I wasn't because there was no one else involved?
Speaker 1:No, exactly, because he was like a. To me he was kind of like a video. But this again, this stems to the whole thing Is porn cheating, right? So when a lot of our friends, whether they be straight, gay, whatever Demographic yeah, yeah, if you're in a relationship with somebody but you're jerking off to porn, is that considered cheating, exactly Right? Because I know I was listening to something a while ago it might have been on kyle and jackie o um where they had a girl call in and she said that her boyfriend could only come while watching porn. If it was fucking her, he couldn't come. Yeah, the pressure was on him. Yeah, yeah, but if it was fucking her watching porn, he could come. So do you?
Speaker 2:reckon that's filling his fantasies, it is fulfilling his exactly and stuff. So this is why, you know, I feel that society makes us judge and makes us feel inadequate, or what's the word I'm looking for? Um, shameful. Yeah, because of it, you know, there's a whole, you know this whole thing about. You know, feeling shameful is a dynamics build, basically. So your environment at the time, your background, your ethnic, cultural background, your religious background, so many things, that's what I'm saying, so what we're saying.
Speaker 2:You know, society has formed this whole concept around our belief about sex, yep, and naturally we don't think about it until, like we're in this position now where we can openly talk about it and say fuck me you know why yeah, but why was I literally worried about that?
Speaker 2:what the fuck does it matter? At the end of the day, I'm a human being. I have the ability to reproduce, I have the ability to pleasure myself, so why do I have to worry? Why do we worry about it? I might, and why does I have to? Why do I have to worry? Why do we worry about it? I might, and why does I have to? Why do I have to have someone else's opinion judge me anyway?
Speaker 1:well, that's in life in general. I think we should not listen, we should but that's what I'm saying. But we should take input from other people, but we shouldn't hold it in such a high regard. If we know that we're actually got true value in ourself, all right. If we're, you can hold your head up high and say I'm a good person, I'm like, I live by my values, my morals that aren't hurting anyone else. I think fuck the rest of the world, quite honestly.
Speaker 2:But like I said. But why do we have that thought process that we have to think what other people think of us? Because it naturally makes us feel shameful.
Speaker 1:Then yeah, but look, I think social media, do you think porn stars get shameful? Of course they do, of course, really yeah, because this is a job. And look, we've we, we've seen, we've seen some porn stars and they work real hard at their bodies, at their craft. Um, it's not. And again, what you see for the, whether you're watching a proper full length horn feature or whether you're watching a clip on x that goes for all of maximum two minutes or something like that. There's a lot of work that actually goes into that. So therefore, there's a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff that happens. But I think there's probably been some kind of former trauma that rhymes, that's really cute, that's actually sort of led them to be porn stars, almost, but to be needing to put it out there into the planet, and I'm thankful for it. I'm grateful for it because I can't say I don't watch porn because I know I do.
Speaker 2:You think most people watch porn. I think lots of people watch porn and you think that they feel shameful. Because of what reason?
Speaker 1:they do because, again, I know um porn isn't viewed in the greatest of light. Um, some people think it's um the people in that film are being forced to actually do it. Some people find it a very derogatory that these people would put themselves in this situation.
Speaker 2:I mean you know you have to protect society. I mean children have to be protected from I get that 100 right but on the same side, do you think that people that go out there and actively voice you know their stance on? You know pornography is wrong? I'm not talking about, you know, involving with children and the exposure to children?
Speaker 1:that's obviously wrong?
Speaker 2:yeah, but I mean, but exposure to children, that's what I mean, sorry, I mean, these people advocate except, but they in the background, I bet you any money. They watch porn and they've taken part in sexual acts as well. Yeah, but do you think that they're hypocritical and they add to the pressure on society by voicing their opinions in such a way?
Speaker 1:yeah, well, they add to, I guess, the the future trauma, yeah, from some of these people that that um are feeling one way or or maybe no particular way about it yet. Um, but this is where they're actually learning what it is or what it isn't, because I I heard or I read, um not read.
Speaker 2:I actually saw an article on the news the other week and again it was advocation about ai pornography. The other week, and again it was advocation about AI pornography and they were just saying how realistic it is now. But do you think that that is taking it too far?
Speaker 1:Deep fakes you're talking about so deep fakes again.
Speaker 1:A friend of ours actually sort of contacted us around the whole deep fake situation and sort of because it's actually made without consent. So, for example, if you take and I know it's actually made without consent yep, um. So, for example, if you take and I know it's something you'd definitely be into and you'd watch it, but if you took a deep fake of hugh jackman and zach efron having sex, yeah, right, like I know that that's something that would get you absolutely across the line every single time. You'd watch it on repeat, right? However, there's no consent there from Hugh Jackman or from Zac Efron, yeah. So, while it's a fantasy, right, I think there is something morally wrong about it because you're taking somebody else's copyright, somebody else's public image, and you're putting it out there.
Speaker 2:But what about if you just kept it to yourself?
Speaker 1:But you wouldn't. There's no way in the world you could. The thing is, if you're making something like that, it's going to be out there in the world, because the moment you do that it's going to be out there. And if you're clever enough to actually sort of work out the algorithms on how to do all that, you're going to be sitting there going well obviously there's more than one person.
Speaker 2:We know that Facebook listens to our conversation. I guarantee you now, when we finish this, we'll start getting outfits through about sexual identity and sexual fantasies and anything. We'll get all kinds of stuff pop up on our phones Just because our phones are open.
Speaker 1:Yeah, on our meta accounts, all of our meta accounts. But yeah, because they do listen to everything you say.
Speaker 2:So do you think that is another contribution to the way that sex is being judged? Because you know like all these platforms are exposing all these sexual imagery and forget imagery.
Speaker 1:I got a straight up. I got some penis enlargement. Oh, um lucky. I sent you the, the link, um, and I was out in public and this thing just popped up in my actual facebook feed some ad.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right, you did, yeah, and it was like all about this and it was real. They were real. And yet Facebook have this policy about showing nudity. You can't even show people in swimwear these days, because that's what their policy is but that ad came up, like you said, and it was graphic, it was real intercourse and everything else. You know what I mean? I went.
Speaker 1:It's like a video showing how you make your dick harder, for longer and all this kind of stuff, and then they shoved it in and showed how it worked.
Speaker 1:It was like wow, okay, this is full on. But, yeah, deep fakes I'm not a fan of. I think, again, I think it's morally wrong. Again, these are opinions of my own opinions, and you have varying ones to me sometimes. Yeah, yeah, that's great because that's where we are. We're kind of we're different humans. Okay, I'm gonna, you know, but um, will I still watch? Jerk off over it? Probably so, especially if it's henry cavill, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be sitting there and going. Oh, my god, I wonder if there's any chance in this whole world of possibilities, that is actually henry so I'm gonna ask you this question here.
Speaker 2:Then, going back to the masturbation yeah topic, okay, do you find that you become more sexually aroused and more um, what's the word I'm looking for your orgasms are more explosive through fantasy in your mind, or do you find that watching porn is more of a bigger turn on.
Speaker 1:Oh, I will be watching. Porn is a bigger turn on for me at all times. Really, look, okay, if I've been out somewhere, right, and we all know I like to crotch watch, right, crotch, crotch watch.
Speaker 2:Crotch watch. It's not Baywatch watch, but with crotches wherever your cock. Is that that word?
Speaker 1:that's a crotch, is another one, okay, whatever, well, the crotch watch then. Okay, I'm that guy. I'm the guy that looks down at your dick, right, yep, um, and will always be that guy. Um, I'm also the guy that will check you out in the shower, and if you think I'm checking out your ass and you turn around okay, yeah, let's go with that.
Speaker 1:Um, and I will take a sneaky sideways glance at the urinal. Um, like the other. The other week I was somewhere I can't even remember where I was now gym, no, it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't the gym, it was somewhere.
Speaker 1:And this guy walked in and, like I was taking a leak, genuinely taking a leak and he walked in and there was no intent of anything else, but he pulled his balls and his dick out and sort of undone the whole fly, pulled his balls, his dick out and stood there and basically hands on hips and peed hands free, which always impresses me, right to say the least, because I think to myself how are you not going to splash yourself there, right? Um, but he had a nice cock and a nice little hanging balls as well, and I would reason when he was a good looking guy. So I sort of looked and I looked again and he wasn't giving a fuck that anyone was looking. He knew he was packing pretty well, right, but that memory got banked, um, and I definitely came home and spanked over that. So that was in the spank bank. So I definitely came home and that's where I definitely used my fantasy and I probably went into the realms of.
Speaker 2:So when you say your fantasy, are you normally eyes closed thinking, or would you just have your head? Your head spaces?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess I was playing back in my mind and then I was taking scenarios about what happened potentially there. Do you ever sort of like try to reproduce the whole scenario? Oh, yeah, 100. So that scenario started like that yeah, um, to get me over the edge. But it ended up with him basically going, catching me, looking and going you like what you see? And I kind of went, huh, what are you talking about? And he said well, I'd seen you looking at my cock, do you like it? And then basically from there he said do you like it? Do you want to touch it? And then so I sort of moved over and touched it and then he got hard and it was absolutely enormous, so you were actually creating this time to see him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:None of this happened, apart from the first part where I looked minute, he'd sort of pushed me back into the cubicle and we were sort of going at it and wow, so yeah, and and literally I, freaking, blew my load like crazy. So that was a good fantasy, that came from something really it's weird.
Speaker 2:It's like seeing a painting and then just having that painting and it came to life and it sort of came to how far would you go to reenact your fantasy mat? Oh, you mean a higher enactor?
Speaker 1:um, no, yeah yeah, how far would you actually go to reenact your fantasy mat? You mean a higher enactor? Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:How far would you actually go to get a realistic approach.
Speaker 1:Well, I wouldn't create an AI version of that video?
Speaker 2:That's for sure. Would you pay someone to come in and pretend, oh fuck no, I'm not paying anyone to do that shit People do.
Speaker 1:My head is its own little fantasy creation. I'm a creative anyway, like I've written songs, I've written um poems, I've written all kinds of stuff, short stories, um. So I am a creative anyway. I would definitely recreate that as a story, potentially, or as a mini porno, um, but, but I wouldn't pay to have oh, unless the reason why I asked you this question If it was somebody like oh, my God, okay, if it was somebody like Daniel McPherson that could play that guy, then I would definitely pay to see that.
Speaker 2:He's your equivalent.
Speaker 1:He's Daniel McPherson, I think, is fucking beautiful. I think he's gorgeous.
Speaker 2:There's lots of beautiful men out there.
Speaker 1:Oh, there is. And Luke Jacobs, oh God, I love Luke Jacobs. This is just another fantasy of mine, oh my God. And the fact that I hear he's got a cock ring, and I'm not a big fan of cock rings Not cock rings, sorry Piercing, piercing, right, I'm not a big fan of them, but something about who's this? Luke Jacobs. Okay, I'll show you a photo of him in a second. Are you allowed to? Is this?
Speaker 2:consensual from him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's consensual, because he's an Aussie actor.
Speaker 2:Yeah but has he put that up himself? He hasn't put a photo of his cock ring, so we're going back to the whole debate now about you know.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just showing you a photo of him. I'm not showing you a photo of his cock ring. Oh, I know what he looks like.
Speaker 2:But what I'm saying is how do you know that he have?
Speaker 1:you typed it in. No, I haven't actually typed it in. Maybe I should do that.
Speaker 2:Maybe he's actually got a photo on his own.
Speaker 1:I know he's handsome he's beautiful, but yeah so.
Speaker 2:I would love to find out how do you think these actors feel when they are AI as?
Speaker 1:a part time. Used to be stage actor and stuff like that. Singer-songwriter, I love the Adoration.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying, and so I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1:Now I still don't think that there's any right for us to actually invade their personal life. No, not broadcast without permission. I did see somebody I was Darren Hayes, I think actually posted a thing on Insta the other day and he said I appreciate that you're my fan, but under no circumstance should you have my home address. And that is 100% correct. Like that's not okay. Like you know what I mean. These are people that are actually creatives and they've created some phenomenal art. If you look at Darren Hayes, he's created some phenomenal art over the years via his music with Savage Garden, his own music but that doesn't give us the right to actually access every single aspect of his life. We get the parts that he wants to share.
Speaker 2:I think we've digressed a little bit here. We always we do, but I will. I want to try and get back on track because we don't want to make it like an hour-long podcast. Okay, but what I was trying to get from you here, matt, was going on to paid workers sex within this, the industry that, like prostitution or acts where people perform acts on other people for money. Do you think that, again, is a shameful thing?
Speaker 1:No, you don't.
Speaker 2:It shouldn't be. But do you think they feel shameful for doing it? They shouldn't do, but if it's a living for them, and yet society.
Speaker 1:If it's a choice that they've actually made to go into that realm, right then it's not shameful. It shouldn't be shameful and nobody should shame somebody. Do you believe that?
Speaker 2:society puts that shame on them. Obviously, society. This is what I'm trying. The whole, the whole concept of what we're talking about is why people feel shameful. Yeah, I'm trying to get the whole concept from our perspective. We don't feel that way.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's a shameful industry. Personally, um, because I believe that these people have actually made that choice to actually go in there.
Speaker 2:But what I'm asking you is why do society have this stigma attached to people that do that profession as a shameful act? Because it is technically, isn't it in the eyes of?
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, and I get what you're saying it is. However, as we discussed on the previous episode or an episode somewhere, right, sex therapist is exactly the same as a prostitute, right, in my opinion. Yeah, I think that there is an absolute necessity for people in the sex work industry to actually sort of hold up parts of society that can't fulfill their needs or that don't want to. Yeah, hold up parts of society that can't fulfill their needs or that don't want to. Yeah, again, I was in a 15 year relationship that we basically had very limited sex. Yeah, right, yeah, I would have felt guilty about going to this sex work. Yeah, worker. Yeah, but if you're in a relationship for that long and you're not having sex, you should be able to go and get sex, um, so like.
Speaker 1:So in retrospect, I get that there's shame attached to it. Even if you said to me matt, go and pay for sex, I'd be going. No, that's horrible, right, initially. But then I'm thinking to myself but if there was no way I could get it for free, or if I didn't have the capabilities of going to get it for free and get an abundance of it for free, mind you then why should I feel ashamed for it, because I shouldn't? No, but do you think?
Speaker 2:they'd feel shameful the person going to visit or the worker, no, the actual worker themselves. I would imagine that they wouldn't be, because it's a job and they classified that as an income. It's an income. But if they haven't got any skill sets or they find that they can't get something without having to sell themselves okay, there are people out there that do that and they don't want to do it.
Speaker 1:You're forced into that as a role, as some people are struggling. If you're forced into that, well then I feel that you would probably feel some shame attached to it. Yeah, but I don't think you should.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to just link all the correlations together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I think that if that's the skill that you have, right then use it. Oh, absolutely, you should sell blowjobs. You're really good at them, I'm saying why do people I mean?
Speaker 2:what I'm trying to say is society has this innate habit of judging people or putting on people when they haven't got that right to do it. You know what I mean. So, leading on from that, do you believe that mental health is a big contribution to society's act on sexual pleasure?
Speaker 1:oh, my god. Okay, I'm gonna have to break that down now about 20 parts, and it's going to be a four hour episode. Um, mental health has a lot to do with everything. Yeah, all right. So I and again, I think it's so many components to this question, um, that we just aren't going to be able to unpack now.
Speaker 2:Um, but in but we're going to do, we're going to believe that society, their judgment on sex and sexual acts, etc. Etc. What we discussed is a contributing factor to mental health it will definitely play a part in your mental health. Yes, right and and contribute. Yes, the answer is yes. So the answer is yes right?
Speaker 1:yep, but it's much deeper than that. We're going to have a whole podcast on mental health at a later stage. We just need to do a little bit more research on that?
Speaker 2:And what about age-appropriate type, you know in terms of like 18 and 16-year-olds? Yeah, I mean obviously the age of consent, shall I say. I mean, what do you think is the right age to have sexual acts? Or you know, you'd be mature enough to have sexual acts without being classified as a minor well, I I believe the age of consent is there for a reason? No, I mean what? Do you think 18 or 16 is too young, or do you think no, I?
Speaker 1:think it's, I think your body okay. Well, as we've discussed previously, I've been having sex since I was 11 and, yes, that that was consensual, yep, right. But I believe the age of consent is 16 and it should be 16. And I'm not saying that as soon as you're 16 you should go out and have sex. I just believe you should have sex from whenever you are okay, but you didn't ask.
Speaker 1:But I think that if we have it any lower than 16, right, people will become targeted and it's not a good thing to be any lower than that right, because otherwise you're going to get 20 year old people that sit there and say, well, I can have sex with a four if it. If it was lower to 14, for example, and people aren't mentally ready, yeah, not everyone is mentally ready at 14, not everyone is mentally ready at 16. I've got friends that are 40 plus that still aren't mentally ready to have sex and they haven't yet. Right, um. So I think consent, the age of consent, is a great guide, um, for when you mentally, physically, are ready enough, technically, right. But again, you need to have guidance from your parents, from people around you, from the education system that's in place to get you ready.
Speaker 2:But do you think that a 16-year-old would feel immense shame because of what is technically Well, it depends on their upbringing.
Speaker 1:This is the thing. It's such a depends, depends, depends, kind of. There's so many facets to this conversation, right? Because if you're growing up with parents that have been taught that sex is shameful, that masturbation is shameful, they're going to pass it down, right, that don't touch yourself there, don't do this, don't do that, don, right? Like we've all come from different backgrounds, different families, right? Myself and yourself have definitely come from different backgrounds and different families, right? And while I was definitely taught that sex was shameful, right, I wasn't taught never have sex, um, but it was never openly said go and enjoy your body, go and enjoy this. Um. So, yeah, I think, I think it's a big depends. I couldn't answer. I couldn't answer, yeah, but um, in nutshell, I think that society needs to open up their mind frame.
Speaker 1:As adults, we are responsible for talking to, not children, but to young adults about what is okay, what's not okay. And what is okay is that making sure that consent is always given, right, that's a no-brainer for me. Making sure that you're actually talking to these young adults and telling them consent can be taken away at any stage throughout any part of sexual activity. Yep, all right. So it's not just yeah, we're going to have sex. Me and you, at this age, we're going to have sex and then, all of a sudden, we've said yes at the start. So that means that you're going to have sex all the way through. If, at any stage of that, you're going to be able to go, no, I'm going to retract consent because I'm no longer comfortable with this stage of this activity. Right? So that's what's really important. As adults, um, I think, um sex and shame. Let's throw the shame out the window. Let's enjoy it. It's fun. Our bodies are there to be enjoyed what about things such like um, no more.
Speaker 1:What abouts? Because we're now at over an hour. We can make it into two parts. No, um, no more. What abouts? So we're going to be wrapping this podcast up now and just saying that go ahead, enjoy sex. It's fun um wank out those fantasies.
Speaker 2:Check off everywhere. Find a pleasurable way of doing these things. Enjoy it legally, you know, yeah, well don't do it on public transport experiment, you know, get out there. And if you've never been with a guy, go with a guy. If you've never been with a girl, go with a girl. If you've never had anal sex, try anal sex. Just try anything and everything and enjoy it, and don't feel shameful about doing it. It's your body. As long as you're consensual about it and as long as you're having fun, you're harming nobody else.
Speaker 1:Yep, so yeah if any of this has actually brought up anything bad for you. Um, we've got some fantastic resources like 1-800 respect. Um, we've got lifeline. We've got beyond blue. We've got acon that are somebody that we mention quite frequently, which is the AIDS council of new south wales. Um, lots of, lots of places out there. You've got Kids Helpline if you are underage and need to reach out. There's so many, so many places. You've got Sexual Health Sydney. Lots of different sort of opportunities, but, again, anything in regards to relationships or any way you're feeling 1-800-RESPECT is a fantastic resource.
Speaker 2:And sex is a natural thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, have fun with it again. Yep. So, Dave, if anyone wants to send us any questions or any conversation topics they'd like to hear in the future, how do they?
Speaker 2:do that. They can contact us, Matt, on the Fully Grown Homos podcast at gmailcom.
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